[nabs-l] Trays
Jessica Kostiw
jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com
Sun Nov 16 19:04:38 UTC 2008
Which marathon are you running? Congrats and good luck. I am also a
runner, so if you ever want to talk off list.
jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>I agree with you, J. J. Beth, I know this can be frustrating, but try
>not to let it get you down. As far as what you said about your confidence
>level, everyone on this list has differing skills and levels of
>confidence. Think of this as a challenge. I'm running a marathon, 26.2
>miles, this February. I need lots of practice to train for this. I admit,
>this training is difficult, especi when I start running 15 to 20 miles a
>day. It's challenging, but I never let it frustrate me. Just think of
>acquiring this skillz a challenge and I know you will succeed. We have a
>saying in our family to overcome challenges. When I first started running,
>I only ran about 10 steps and then gave up. My father came up to me and
>asked why I gave up. I said because this running stuff was hard! He told
>me, well, if it was easy, everyone would do it.
> Take care, and I know you can do this!
> Hope and Beignet
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:27:25 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>
>>Beth,
>>Please don't worry about how confident you look compared to other
> students.
>>We all have our own strengths and weaknesses, and together we can
> work to
>>make everyone stronger. Many ideas and viewpoints will be
> offered on this
>>list and elsewhere, but it's ultimately your decision as to which
> skills and
>>techniques you wish to try. Try not to get frustrated, and take
> this
>>situation as a challenge you can overcome, even if it takes a few
> months.
>>Good luck, I know you can do it.
>
>
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:26 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>
>
>>> Okay. aybe I look less competent than everyone else on this
> list
>>> ecause I can't even carry my own trays. But again, we don't
> have
>>> trays in the dining hall. The only place wher I could practice
> this
>>> skill is in the Oglesby Student Union which I don't know how to
> get to
>>> without miimal assistance. This is just hard.
>>> Beth
>
>>> On 11/13/08, Yolanda Garcia <yvgarcia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Beth,
>
>>>> I'm not sure if your cafeteria is 24 hours, but if it isn't,
> then one
>>>> suggestion might be is to go early in the morning when they
> first open
>>>> because hardly anyone is there. This way, you might be able to
> do some
>>>> exploring of the layout of your cafeteria. Perhaps another
> option is
>>>> going
>>>> with a friend during finals week when most people are scarce on
> the scene
>>>> as
>>>> well and try to gain orientation that way. When next semester
> comes,
>>>> you'll
>>>> feel more confident to navigate around the cafeteria with your
> new found
>>>> orientation to the lay out.
>
>>>> Alternatively, you can always get anO&M instructor from your VR
> to come a
>>>> few days before class starts in January to help with orienting
> you to the
>>>> cafeteria. It's been my experience that when you have a better
>>>> understanding
>>>> of the layout, that it's easier to navigate independently with
> each
>>>> passing
>>>> time.
>
>>>> To practice carrying a tray, I have taught my summer students at
> various
>>>> training programs to use a regular cookie sheet, and practice
> holding it
>>>> at
>>>> the side of your body either at waist level or slightly above
> the hip
>>>> while
>>>> firmly wrapping their hand on the side of the tray furthest away
> from
>>>> your
>>>> body. I've also seen some counselors show their students to
> carry the
>>>> tray
>>>> in front of their body just as long as your pinky, ring finger,
> and
>>>> middle
>>>> finger are wrapped around the side that is furthest from their
> body and
>>>> using the pointer finger and thumb to grip the cup in between.
> BTW, the
>>>> finger positioning also applies if you are carrying the tray at
> the side
>>>> of
>>>> your body. Ultimately, you decide what feels most natural to
> you. Then as
>>>> my
>>>> students became more comfortable with slowly walking around the
> apartment
>>>> using their cane and carrying the tray, I would incorporate an
> empty
>>>> plate,
>>>> cup, bowl, or silverware one at a time to gradually give the
> tray more
>>>> weight like they would experience in a cafeteria or fast food
> setting
>>>> while
>>>> still using their cane. I noticed that doing a dry run like
> this in the
>>>> privacy of our apartment made them feel more comfortable then
> practicing
>>>> for
>>>> the first time in a crowded food court with tons of people
> around. Maybe
>>>> you
>>>> assimilate some sort of practice exercise like this either in
> your dorm
>>>> room
>>>> or when you go home for Thanksgiving break.
>
>>>> I think that once you can get a firm foundation of the layout of
> your
>>>> cafeteria and master carrying a heavy tray, that you'll be able
> to fuse
>>>> these techniques together and conquer this situation with
> confidence and
>>>> ease in no time. Hope this helps.
>
>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>> Yolanda
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>
>
>>>>> Well, there ain' no trays at Suwannee Dining Hall here at FSU,
> so I've
>>>>> had to rely on others o help me get my food. Also, there is so
> much
>>>>> chaos and the cash register is outside the line, not inside the
> line
>>>>> and in every station like in a normal cafeteria/buffet. You
> know what
>>>>> I mean?
>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>> On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>
>>>>>> At the NFB centers they teach you a method for carrying a tray
> with
>>>>>> your non-cane hand by holding the tray against your hip and
> wrapping
>>>>>> your fingers around the drink if there is one.
>
>>>>>> It's also pretty easy to carry a single bowl or plate in your
>>>>>> non-cane hand. One trick is to put silverware, napkins, etc.
> either
>>>>>> under the plate or in your pocket.
>
>>>>>> The only things I haven't figured out is how to carry a plate
> and
>>>>>> cup with no tray, or to carry multiple drinks on a tray.
>
>>>>>> As for travel through a cafeteria or food court, this can be
>>>>>> challenging, but don't be afraid to ask questions of people
> around
>>>>>> you even if there is no staff member or friend to help. "Is
> this the
>>>>>> salad line? No? Could you tell me where it is please?"
>
>>>>>> One lesson I've learned is to stop and listen whenever I go
> into a
>>>>>> place like a fast-food restaurant, store or cafeteria. Listen
> for
>>>>>> audible landmarks like the cash registers, drink dispenser, TV
> or
>>>>>> background music and use these landmarks to keep your bearings
> as
>>>>>> you move through the store.
>
>>>>>> I don't know if others have experienced this, but I think I've
>>>>>> sometimes gotten in the habit of walking into a store or
> restaurant
>>>>>> and just moving without stopping to listen. I think that
>>>>>> subconsciously I tend to keep moving so other people don't
> think I'm
>>>>>> lost or helpless. But what I've learned is that in the long
> run,
>>>>>> it's better to take that extra second to stop and listen--and
> be able
>>>>>> to move more smoothly through the place and find the door on
> the way
>>>>>> out.
>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Arielle
>
>>>>>> On 11/13/08, melissa R. Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Carrie,
>>>>>>> Thank you for your willingness to sare ideas with us.
>>>>>>> I had a hard time carrying my tray in school.
>>>>>>> To be honest, I didn't use a cane in school, except for mobility
> which
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> got every three to four months.
>>>>>>> My mom worked with me on how to carry things level.
>>>>>>> I can't do that as well as I used to because of the slight
> tremors in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> hands.
>>>>>>> I didn't really get to practice carrying a tray much until I got
> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> colorado
>>>>>>> center.
>>>>>>> I knew how to do it.
>>>>>>> But I sure got practice doing it at a buffet, and at windys as
> well.
>>>>>>> Lol!
>
>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Melissa R. Green
>>>>>>> Hold on to your dream and it shall be well with you.
>
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:23 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>
>>>>>>> If you wrap your one arm around the tray, you can usually also
> hold
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> glass (if there is one) you can also feel with your arm if
> things
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> slide on the tray and adjust, this leaves your other hand free
> for the
>>>>>>> cane.
>>>>>>> I have taught this to elementary age students whose arms are not
> that
>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>> and it still works, I believe this method is also taught at our
>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>> centers.
>
>
>
>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
>>>>>>> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
>>>>>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>>>>>> www.nfb.org/nopbc
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Beth
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:44 AM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] friends
>
>>>>>>> You might be right, only you can't possibly keep the thing
> level. I
>>>>>>> am horrible at keeping stuff level at last.
>>>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I find trays are a disaster and make things harder with a cane.
> At
>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>> with a plate/bowl you potentially have a cane hand free.
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:38 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>
>>>>>>>> Albert,
>>>>>>>> I've gone to public places alone but not concerts that I can
> recall;
>>>>>>>> although that is auditory and there is no reason why we should
> not
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> enjoy
>
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> Beth said she did not go to social events alone and my point is
> you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> to some and get something out of it. She said
>
>>>>>>>> "but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which
> is
>>>>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I
> don't
>>>>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one
> hand
>>>>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we
> don't;
>>>>>>>>> and going to parties and such."
>
>>>>>>>> It is much more fun to go to things in groups but I don't think
>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>> should stop you from going to concerts, restaurants and parties
> if
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> what you want to do.
>>>>>>>> No I have not been to a concert alone that i recall, but I did
> go to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>>> at school alone. I've also gone to restaurants alone; I get
> tired of
>>>>>>>> cafeteria food and the Ballston commons Mall is near. You can
> easily
>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>> there from the metro and buy stuff from a regular restaurant or
> food
>>>>>>> court.
>>>>>>>> Some students go in groups; others go alone.
>>>>>>>> Yes I do agree that attending a sporting event such as
> basketball or
>>>>>>>> baseball would not be fun alone because with the crowd and noise
> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> difficult to navigate and you cannot ask your friend what is
>>>>>>>> happening
>>>>>>> then.
>
>>>>>>>> However there are other events that you can do alone. Now if
> Beth or
>>>>>>> anyone
>
>>>>>>>> wants to go to events in groups because that is there
> personality
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> fine. But blindness should not get in the way. I for one would
> like
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> to more things like concerts or out to eat with friends but
> they're
>>>>>>>> busy
>>>>>>> and
>
>>>>>>>> most are just acquaintances, not close friends.
>>>>>>>> But I'll go to things alone to enjoy if its something I really
> want.
>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Ashley, have you gone to a concert alone? It wouldn't be any fun
> to
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> a concert or sporting event alone to a basketball football
> baseball
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> ice
>
>>>>>>>>> hockey game you wouldn't be able to get around easily at the
> stadium
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you were alone. Albert
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>
>>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised you are uncomfortable going to restaurants alone.
>>>>>>>>>> Unless
>>>>>>> at
>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> buffett you don't have to carry food to the table. Your school
> is
>>>>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> you don't have trays. Most cafeterias do. I think you should
> go to
>>>>>>>>>> concerts or restaurants if you want to. Sometimes people are
> not
>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be around to take you. Yes its more enjoyable to go to
> restaurants
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> concerts with friends but it is certainly possible to do alone.
> You
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> step out of your confort zone. On a tour bus my mom and I
>>>>>>>>>> encountered
>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> sight seer alone from London touring Boston.
>>>>>>>>>> So people do do big things alone.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>I looooooove bowling. I usually get my ten frames wrth with
>>>>>>>>>>> friends,but there are other things I won't do alone either:
> going
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one
>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we
>>>>>>>>>>> don't;
>>>>>>>>>>> and going to parties and such. I absolutely refuse to make an
>>>>>>>>>>> appearence at anything alone. I'd rater be in a group of
> friends
>>>>>>>>>>> because I don't want to look weird or anything.
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Serena wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd have to disagree about adapted sports, especially bowling.
> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>> bowling! I'll admit, I'm not that great, but who cares. All
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> really have to do for me is help me line up so the ball will go
>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the lane. Also, my deaf-blind friend (I mentioned in
> a
>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>> post asking about AIM) loves every sport you can imagine,
>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>> golf!
>>>>>>>>>>>> He can see a little bit, but I think he mostly functions as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as sports. If you have any specific questions you'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>> him, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell me info to help someone
> else!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Serena
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great topic, guys. I have never had really close friends,
> either.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Een
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> college, I neer developed close relationships--more like people
> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> during class, etc. Part of that is my personality--I get
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> group and jsut naturally prefer to be in a smaller group of
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> or two ther people). I have joined the chess club--yes I am a
>>>>>>>>>>>> nerd
>>>>>>>>>>>> lol--and
>>>>>>>>>>>> really like it, and get along great with those folks. I go to
> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>>>>>>>> table once a weekand do other things--so I make a concerted
>>>>>>>>>>>> effort.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> good to know that I am not the only blind perso nthat suffers
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would loe to get out there and be able to play soccer--the
> real
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> some weird modified ersion with sighted people helping. Does
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel this way? If this is better addressed either off list or
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> sports
>>>>>>>>>>>> and rec list, that's fine. Just thinking of extracurricular
>>>>>>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to participate in but can't. Soemthign we don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> say--but
>>>>>>>>>>>> when we say that people can participate equally--I don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely true when it comes to sports. Granted I've never done
> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>> they migh suggest, but bowling... I see no way of a totally
> blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> bowl and get the same experience out of it with out sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> diminishes the experience; likewise, beep baseball and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> adapted
>>>>>>>>>>>> sports. Dont' mean to go off on something I don't know much
>>>>>>>>>>>> about,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think it does fit in well with our discussion of social
>>>>>>>>>>>> integration
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> making friends, etc. Thoughts?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Beth wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:56 PM
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right, Carey. The people in question could be too
>>>>>>>>>>>> busy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, may I point out that my younger brother, eighteen
>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>> old,
>>>>>>>>>>>> already has a girlfriend and runs around everywhere with her? I
>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>> envious of every sighted person who has a significant other,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> know why he has her? Because he can immitate appropriate social
>>>>>>>>>>>> skills. I am a firm believer in having good social skills as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite to scoring with the oppoite sex. The key to
> winning
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> successful date and keeping that significant other is having
> good
>>>>>>>>>>>> social skills. I have a young man in college here at FSU who
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> friend, but he understands unlike the previous people I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> dealt
>>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the nature of blindness and its accessories because his mom had
> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind student. I've spoken to him and his mom about this issue
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> just makes sense that he wouldn't simply give up on me as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> friend.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> admit I did a few things he didn't like, but then he admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't give up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Carrie Gilmer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would just like to add to Beth and Hope,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan has not had many social offers himself. And he is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is key-respected- in class and in the extra curricular groups.
> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that blind people maybe especially need to be very pro-active
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him once that to eat lunch with others he needed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> initiate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, he needed to call. I told him he was not like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Star,
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were not going to line up to go out with him. In my own life,
> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> person, I can tell you that nearly every one of my friendships
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my self kept in contact. I called, I made the lunch date, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> invited
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over, I remembered the birthday card. I have friends from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grade
>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still, but most often I am the one to keep up the contact. It
> is
>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way, some people are better at it. I never care or make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mattered if they haven't called me for three years, I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "excuse" I just say forget it, how are you now, wanna do
>>>>>>>>>>>> lunch on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday and catch up?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are people who will avoid the blindness,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just unsure. But I think it can affect fro your end too, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the walk you talk totally? Like that little girl I mentioned,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> level and independence is not truly equal that can effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand kids know Jordan is equal to them in school, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't realize he is equally independent out of school too. On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand, he is often too busy to have any free time to go out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know a lot of students (my husband is a high school teacher)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GPA, working jobs, volunteering and in extra curricular and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time much either. So I think they aren't calling like he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't,
>>>>>>>>>>>> just too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> busy!
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB National Center:
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