[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
Beth
thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Sat Nov 15 02:39:34 UTC 2008
I agree with Serena on what's important in college.
Beth
On 11/14/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> Hi Peter. This was at a restaurant, not at the school. Have no
> letteroblems at the school. I'm glad you'll contact me
> off-list, because I need to get your opinion, again as a guide
> dog handler, on another mattou. I'll also try to contact Marion
> as well to see if he can help with this other issue. It's not
> student related, so I'll not mention it here.
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:58:15 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>>Hello Hope and listers,
>
>>To paraphrase Tom T. Hall, "You need to talk to them about the
> law."If the
>>cafeteria is located in a facility to which the general public is
> invited
>>your dog may accompany you anywhere in such facilities including
> going
>>through the serving line. I think you need to educate those
> folks on this
>>point. For that reason I'm copying Marion Gwizdala, President
> of the
>>National Association of Guide Dog Users, "NAGDU" to alert him to
> this
>>matter. He can help you with dealing with these folks and if
> necessary
>>taking further action.
>
>> Assuming your dog is well-behaved you should be able to
> resolve things
>>easily. Do keep in mind of what your dog is doing in all
> situations to
>>ensure she behaves properly.
>
>> I would also obtain a copy of Maine's White Cane law to show
> to school
>>personnel so they understand what they could be against should
> those who
>>give you trouble about taking your dog through the serving line
> persist in
>>their behavior. Let me contact you off list to discuss this
> further. I need
>>to get supper ready. We're hungry!!
>
>>Peter Donahue
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: " Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:50 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>Hello Peter and listers. To respond to your message regarding
> taking the dog
>>through the buffet line I have done it several times-- however
> have received
>>complaints about the dog being so close to the food from other
> customers.
>>Perhaps I should be more assertive as far as the dog's right to
> be there.
>>She's well-groomed every day and I try to keep the shedding down
> to a
>>minimum.
>
>>As far as your comment regarding taking a year off from school
> and attending
>>an NFB center, I don't need to take any time off because I'm a
> senior and
>>will graduate in May, but I have hesitations about the inability
> to use the
>>dog during classtime at the center. The only time she would work
> is to/from
>>the center, on my breaks, and the weekends. For a short period
> of time that
>>wouldn't be a problem, but I think the center programs last for
> at least 9
>>months, don't they? I'm concerned this lack of work would
> interfere with
>>her training. I'd like to have your opinion on this either on or
> off list.
>
>>Thank you.
>>Hope and Beignet
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:00 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>Hello Beth and listers,
>
>> When I attended a Webmasters Seminar at the National Center
> for the
>>Blind last February we didn't use trays either. We were still
> expected to
>>serve ourselves during meals. We wore clothes containing
> pockets; great
>>places to store eating utensils, napkins, seasonings, and
> whatever else will
>>fit in them. I made use of them leaving my hands free to work my
> dog and
>>carry my plate to the table. I found a table close to the drinks
> area and
>>got my drink after setting the plate down and laying out the
> items stored in
>>my pockets. And this all without the need to have someone with
> me. During
>>that weekend we got a taste of what students at our training
> centers
>>experience during their time at these facilities. I also enjoyed
> taking the
>>webmaster training in the computer lab located in the NFB
> Jernigan Institute
>>that weekend. It was a wonderful experience.
>
>>Peter Donahue
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:21 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>YOu might be right, Peter. However, we don't have trays at the
> dining
>>hall as I've said, and it's very crowded during peak hours. I
> like it
>>better when a friend is with me that I can actually trusdt.
>>Beth
>
>>On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi again,
>
>>> I would respectfully disagree with the comment that Serena's
> friend
>>> Anthony made about having others bring food to you. For me
> there's
>>> something really good about going to get my own food even if
> someone
>>> is with me to help me find stuff or carry it. It's not just
> about
>>> proving yourself or making a point to someone else that I can
> do it.
>>> It's that I want to be there to decide what's going to end up
> on my
>>> plate. If I let someone else do it for me, no matter how nice
> and
>>> trustworthy they may be, people make mistakes. I don't want to
> leave
>>> it up to someone else to remember that I like meat loaf and
> don't
>>> like pork chops, or that I really love spaghetti and will go
> crazy
>>> when that's on the buffet but I'd prefer a more moderate
> portion
>>> when it's fried chicken. I also want the freedom to decide on
> the spot
>>> how much of each food I want when it's right in front of me and
> I know
>>> what my other choices are.
>
>>> This is the same reason why they teach us at NFB training
> centers
>>> to always put the food in the cart ourselves when we shop with
>>> customer service assistance. It's not that we want to be
>>> anal-retentive about independence. It's that we want to be
> sure we're
>>> spending our money on the items we actually want and not being
>>> accidentally given the gigantic container of fruit that we'll
> never
>>> eat, for instance, instead of the medium-sized portion that we
>>> actually want to buy.
>
>>> Beyond the more pragmatic concern, there's something really
> cool
>>> about going to a party or other social activity with sighted
> peers
>>> and walking around freely and getting your own stuff. I spent
> most of
>>> my childhood not knowing what that was like because most people
>>> expected me to stay in one place and be helped by the sighted
> people
>>> around me because that was "easier" in their eyes. Recently
> as I
>>> have learned so much from the NFB members around me, I have
> begun to
>>> assert my independence more and more in these kinds of
> situations
>>> and to put myself out there as an independent blind person from
> the
>>> get-go when I meet new people. When I go to a party now and
> walk
>>> around freely, people expect me to be pretty much like everyone
> else
>>> and it makes it that much easier to socialize with them as an
> equal.
>>> That doesn't mean I don't occasionally use sighted guide or
> enlist
>>> assistance from others, but I really enjoy having the control to
>>> decide when and how I want to be assisted.
>
>>> I can't overemphasize the value of spending some time at one
> of our
>>> training centers, and going to our national conventions and
> other NFB
>>> events, where blind people do these kinds of things on an
> everyday
>>> basis. These are the best places to really see how others
> handle
>>> these tough situations, and to get the real-world education and
>>> practice that will ultimately make them less tough and more
> rewarding.
>
>>> Cheers
>>> Arielle
>
>
>>> On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It was an employee who said they don't get paid to help a blind
>>>> customer. ell, they should be paid to help customers, all of
> them,
>>>> not just cook and wash dishes.
>>>> Beth
>
>>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Hope,
>
>>>>> I do that too. I ask an employee to assist me in walking around
> to the
>>>>> stations. My cafeteria is not as big as yours but its nice.
> They have
>>>>> table cloths there and napkin holders on the tables. The chairs
> are some
>>>>> of
>>>>> the most comfortable on campus, much better than what we have in
> class.
>
>>>>> Ashley
>
>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>>>>> HiBeth. I'm not sure how your cafeteria is set up, but if I go
> to the
>>>>>> union, the central cafeteria in my college, which is very big, I
> go to
>>>>>> the
>
>>>>>> cash register and ask someone to assist me in walking around to
> each
>>>>>> station. Then they'll assist me with ringing me up and to find
> a
>>>>>> table.
>>>>>> This cafeteria is really big. One big room with another room
> coming
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> of that and stairs everywhere. There are balconies to sit on,
> too.
>>>>>> It's
>
>>>>>> a nice place, but I don't like the size. Smile. As far as what
> the
>>>>>> woman
>
>>>>>> said, it was uncalled for. Was that an employee that told you
> this, or
>>>>>> merely a student?
>
>>>>>> Hope and Beignet
>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:24 -0500
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>>>>>>>The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>there are less of them doing more work. The manager e-mailed me
>>>>>> today
>>>>>>>when I sent him an e-mail. I e-mailed the location manager
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just
>>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>>to me. Well, not a bad idea. But I'll have to let him know if
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>appens again. Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my
>>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>needs right about now. But I could get my own tray, but then I'd
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>to carry it around all day. But then there's this one lady who
>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer. I mean, not in
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>manner we're talking about. I didn't appreciate the woman's
>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>>as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
>>>>>>>dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>Blind Services sponsors it. It's still thousands of taxpayer
>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>>going into MY meal plan.
>>>>>>>Beth
>
>>>>>>>On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you. I
>>>>>> don't mean to
>>>>>>>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food
>>>>>> in college.
>>>>>>>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small
>>>>>> hands. I
>>>>>>>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but
>>>>>> then, the
>>>>>>>> managers got everybody on board. I realize now, I could've
>>>>>> bought my own
>>>>>>>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to
>>>>>> campus and
>>>>>>>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than
>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>>> deal with the cafeteria scene.
>
>>>>>>>> Serena
>
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Good idea. I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the
>>>>>> staff
>>>>>>>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before
>>>>>> your are
>>>>>>>>>> finished shopping.
>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride. Much easier said than done. I had
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>> too. But ask around. Ask your hall mates. Ask your roommate
>>>>>> if she
>>>>>>>>>> drives. Any friendly faculty or staff? Once or twice a nice
>>>>>> nursing
>>>>>>>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall. If you do get a ride
>>>>>> offer to
>>>>>>>>>> pay gas or something for it.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good idea. However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>>>>>>>> service. Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up. Worse, I have
>>>>>> to wait
>>>>>>>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up. Hence,
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What about paratransite? I have a friend who schedules them to
>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next
>>>>>> window
>>>>>>>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Courtney
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather. Trick is to get someone with a car to
>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value for money. Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive
>>>>>> tray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs. Then, simply take your own tray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall. This will improve your
>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to
>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle. I'm having a huge
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food or serve myself. Since I have to hold a cane in my right
>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to
>>>>>> maneuver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaved lately. During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out. Their excuse? Short staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people
>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with
>>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the
>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the
>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> container to your plate and ensuring that you are dishing up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate amount.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an
>>>>>> option,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line or from whomever is serving the
>>>>>> food/setting up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the buffet. Obviously once you've learned the order of the
>>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once, it'll be easier to go back and serve oneself
>>>>>> independently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second time around. When serving "family-style" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the table, this problem is virtually nonexistent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to find out what someone has passed you before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to
>>>>>> overcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who were not expected to serve
>>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing up. I wasn't really expected to do it at all until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teenager, which caused me to struggle a bit with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanics
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maneuvering the food and gauging the portion size. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this a lot when I was in training at the Louisiana Center
>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forty). Like others have said, operating the utensils
>>>>>> correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error. A training center is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's not as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the line. You can also practice by cooking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one container to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even if it's just Ramen or Easy Mac).
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes I've used two techniques. One is to
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to my plate or bowl and how the
>>>>>> weight is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. The other, if it's hot or steaming food that
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the plate/bowl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food and how far it is
>>>>>> spreading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wide
>>>>>> area.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come up yet is the proper way to
>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc. with a ladel. I used to have the toughest
>>>>>> time with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this until I went to the center and figured out what my
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was
>>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bowl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up. I think other blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I
>>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. You can practice this by playing with an empty ladel
>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold the bowl in your non-dominant
>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while you angle the handle with your dominant one. Bend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the bowl is facing straight up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>> fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree
>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family. I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill. At family gatherings and on
>>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a
>>>>>> survor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc. I am,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rica
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew
>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me. This, then, set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts. And if we serve
>>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so
>>>>>> diferent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc. and it's likely you would want some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>
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