[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
Hope Paulos
hope.paulos at maine.edu
Sat Nov 15 00:54:55 UTC 2008
Hi Peter. This was at a restaurant, not at the school. Have no
letteroblems at the school. I'm glad you'll contact me
off-list, because I need to get your opinion, again as a guide
dog handler, on another mattou. I'll also try to contact Marion
as well to see if he can help with this other issue. It's not
student related, so I'll not mention it here.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:58:15 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>Hello Hope and listers,
>To paraphrase Tom T. Hall, "You need to talk to them about the
law."If the
>cafeteria is located in a facility to which the general public is
invited
>your dog may accompany you anywhere in such facilities including
going
>through the serving line. I think you need to educate those
folks on this
>point. For that reason I'm copying Marion Gwizdala, President
of the
>National Association of Guide Dog Users, "NAGDU" to alert him to
this
>matter. He can help you with dealing with these folks and if
necessary
>taking further action.
> Assuming your dog is well-behaved you should be able to
resolve things
>easily. Do keep in mind of what your dog is doing in all
situations to
>ensure she behaves properly.
> I would also obtain a copy of Maine's White Cane law to show
to school
>personnel so they understand what they could be against should
those who
>give you trouble about taking your dog through the serving line
persist in
>their behavior. Let me contact you off list to discuss this
further. I need
>to get supper ready. We're hungry!!
>Peter Donahue
>----- Original Message -----
>From: " Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>Hello Peter and listers. To respond to your message regarding
taking the dog
>through the buffet line I have done it several times-- however
have received
>complaints about the dog being so close to the food from other
customers.
>Perhaps I should be more assertive as far as the dog's right to
be there.
>She's well-groomed every day and I try to keep the shedding down
to a
>minimum.
>As far as your comment regarding taking a year off from school
and attending
>an NFB center, I don't need to take any time off because I'm a
senior and
>will graduate in May, but I have hesitations about the inability
to use the
>dog during classtime at the center. The only time she would work
is to/from
>the center, on my breaks, and the weekends. For a short period
of time that
>wouldn't be a problem, but I think the center programs last for
at least 9
>months, don't they? I'm concerned this lack of work would
interfere with
>her training. I'd like to have your opinion on this either on or
off list.
>Thank you.
>Hope and Beignet
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:00 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>Hello Beth and listers,
> When I attended a Webmasters Seminar at the National Center
for the
>Blind last February we didn't use trays either. We were still
expected to
>serve ourselves during meals. We wore clothes containing
pockets; great
>places to store eating utensils, napkins, seasonings, and
whatever else will
>fit in them. I made use of them leaving my hands free to work my
dog and
>carry my plate to the table. I found a table close to the drinks
area and
>got my drink after setting the plate down and laying out the
items stored in
>my pockets. And this all without the need to have someone with
me. During
>that weekend we got a taste of what students at our training
centers
>experience during their time at these facilities. I also enjoyed
taking the
>webmaster training in the computer lab located in the NFB
Jernigan Institute
>that weekend. It was a wonderful experience.
>Peter Donahue
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>YOu might be right, Peter. However, we don't have trays at the
dining
>hall as I've said, and it's very crowded during peak hours. I
like it
>better when a friend is with me that I can actually trusdt.
>Beth
>On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> I would respectfully disagree with the comment that Serena's
friend
>> Anthony made about having others bring food to you. For me
there's
>> something really good about going to get my own food even if
someone
>> is with me to help me find stuff or carry it. It's not just
about
>> proving yourself or making a point to someone else that I can
do it.
>> It's that I want to be there to decide what's going to end up
on my
>> plate. If I let someone else do it for me, no matter how nice
and
>> trustworthy they may be, people make mistakes. I don't want to
leave
>> it up to someone else to remember that I like meat loaf and
don't
>> like pork chops, or that I really love spaghetti and will go
crazy
>> when that's on the buffet but I'd prefer a more moderate
portion
>> when it's fried chicken. I also want the freedom to decide on
the spot
>> how much of each food I want when it's right in front of me and
I know
>> what my other choices are.
>> This is the same reason why they teach us at NFB training
centers
>> to always put the food in the cart ourselves when we shop with
>> customer service assistance. It's not that we want to be
>> anal-retentive about independence. It's that we want to be
sure we're
>> spending our money on the items we actually want and not being
>> accidentally given the gigantic container of fruit that we'll
never
>> eat, for instance, instead of the medium-sized portion that we
>> actually want to buy.
>> Beyond the more pragmatic concern, there's something really
cool
>> about going to a party or other social activity with sighted
peers
>> and walking around freely and getting your own stuff. I spent
most of
>> my childhood not knowing what that was like because most people
>> expected me to stay in one place and be helped by the sighted
people
>> around me because that was "easier" in their eyes. Recently
as I
>> have learned so much from the NFB members around me, I have
begun to
>> assert my independence more and more in these kinds of
situations
>> and to put myself out there as an independent blind person from
the
>> get-go when I meet new people. When I go to a party now and
walk
>> around freely, people expect me to be pretty much like everyone
else
>> and it makes it that much easier to socialize with them as an
equal.
>> That doesn't mean I don't occasionally use sighted guide or
enlist
>> assistance from others, but I really enjoy having the control to
>> decide when and how I want to be assisted.
>> I can't overemphasize the value of spending some time at one
of our
>> training centers, and going to our national conventions and
other NFB
>> events, where blind people do these kinds of things on an
everyday
>> basis. These are the best places to really see how others
handle
>> these tough situations, and to get the real-world education and
>> practice that will ultimately make them less tough and more
rewarding.
>> Cheers
>> Arielle
>> On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It was an employee who said they don't get paid to help a blind
>>> customer. ell, they should be paid to help customers, all of
them,
>>> not just cook and wash dishes.
>>> Beth
>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Hope,
>>>> I do that too. I ask an employee to assist me in walking around
to the
>>>> stations. My cafeteria is not as big as yours but its nice.
They have
>>>> table cloths there and napkin holders on the tables. The chairs
are some
>>>> of
>>>> the most comfortable on campus, much better than what we have in
class.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>> HiBeth. I'm not sure how your cafeteria is set up, but if I go
to the
>>>>> union, the central cafeteria in my college, which is very big, I
go to
>>>>> the
>>>>> cash register and ask someone to assist me in walking around to
each
>>>>> station. Then they'll assist me with ringing me up and to find
a
>>>>> table.
>>>>> This cafeteria is really big. One big room with another room
coming
>>>>> off
>>>>> of that and stairs everywhere. There are balconies to sit on,
too.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> a nice place, but I don't like the size. Smile. As far as what
the
>>>>> woman
>>>>> said, it was uncalled for. Was that an employee that told you
this, or
>>>>> merely a student?
>>>>> Hope and Beignet
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:24 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is
>>>>> because
>>>>>>there are less of them doing more work. The manager e-mailed me
>>>>> today
>>>>>>when I sent him an e-mail. I e-mailed the location manager
>>>>> saying
>>>>>>what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just
>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>to me. Well, not a bad idea. But I'll have to let him know if
>>>>> it
>>>>>>appens again. Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my
>>>>> basic
>>>>>>needs right about now. But I could get my own tray, but then I'd
>>>>> have
>>>>>>to carry it around all day. But then there's this one lady who
>>>>> said
>>>>>>the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer. I mean, not in
>>>>> that
>>>>>>manner we're talking about. I didn't appreciate the woman's
>>>>> comments
>>>>>>as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
>>>>>>dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division
>>>>> of
>>>>>>Blind Services sponsors it. It's still thousands of taxpayer
>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>going into MY meal plan.
>>>>>>Beth
>>>>>>On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you. I
>>>>> don't mean to
>>>>>>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food
>>>>> in college.
>>>>>>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small
>>>>> hands. I
>>>>>>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but
>>>>> then, the
>>>>>>> managers got everybody on board. I realize now, I could've
>>>>> bought my own
>>>>>>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to
>>>>> campus and
>>>>>>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than
>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>> deal with the cafeteria scene.
>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>> Good idea. I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the
>>>>> staff
>>>>>>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before
>>>>> your are
>>>>>>>>> finished shopping.
>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride. Much easier said than done. I had
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>> too. But ask around. Ask your hall mates. Ask your roommate
>>>>> if she
>>>>>>>>> drives. Any friendly faculty or staff? Once or twice a nice
>>>>> nursing
>>>>>>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall. If you do get a ride
>>>>> offer to
>>>>>>>>> pay gas or something for it.
>>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>> Good idea. However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>>>>>>> service. Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up. Worse, I have
>>>>> to wait
>>>>>>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up. Hence,
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>> What about paratransite? I have a friend who schedules them to
>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next
>>>>> window
>>>>>>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>>>>>>> Courtney
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather. Trick is to get someone with a car to
>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> value for money. Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive
>>>>> tray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs. Then, simply take your own tray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall. This will improve your
>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to
>>>>> impact
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle. I'm having a huge
>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me get
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> food or serve myself. Since I have to hold a cane in my right
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to
>>>>> maneuver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the staff
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaved lately. During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I
>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out. Their excuse? Short staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people
>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues. The
>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the
>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the
>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> container to your plate and ensuring that you are dishing up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an
>>>>> option,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people ahead
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line or from whomever is serving the
>>>>> food/setting up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the buffet. Obviously once you've learned the order of the
>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once, it'll be easier to go back and serve oneself
>>>>> independently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second time around. When serving "family-style" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the table, this problem is virtually nonexistent since
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to find out what someone has passed you before serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to
>>>>> overcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who were not expected to serve
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing up. I wasn't really expected to do it at all until I
>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teenager, which caused me to struggle a bit with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanics
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maneuvering the food and gauging the portion size. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this a lot when I was in training at the Louisiana Center
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades on)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forty). Like others have said, operating the utensils
>>>>> correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error. A training center is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's not as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the line. You can also practice by cooking yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one container to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even if it's just Ramen or Easy Mac).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes I've used two techniques. One is to
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to my plate or bowl and how the
>>>>> weight is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. The other, if it's hot or steaming food that
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the plate/bowl and
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food and how far it is
>>>>> spreading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a wide
>>>>> area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come up yet is the proper way to
>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc. with a ladel. I used to have the toughest
>>>>> time with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this until I went to the center and figured out what my
>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was
>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl. I
>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> bowl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up. I think other blind people
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I
>>>>> bring it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. You can practice this by playing with an empty ladel
>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold the bowl in your non-dominant
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while you angle the handle with your dominant one. Bend the
>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the bowl is facing straight up (even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>> fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but do
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc. But I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree
>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family. I
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill. At family gatherings and on
>>>>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a
>>>>> survor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc. I am,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rica
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew
>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me. This, then, set up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts. And if we serve
>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so
>>>>> diferent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc. and it's likely you would want some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
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