[nabs-l] accommodations in public school

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Wed Nov 19 16:04:19 UTC 2008 

Good luck...

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:38:13 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school

>Will do!

>On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Let us all know how it goes.
>> Beth

>> On 11/14/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
>>> Yes, I have e-mailed her and I will be talking to her tonight.

>>> Buddy, that was very creative, and extremely helpful.  that did 
paint a
>>> clear picture of what I'm going through.

>>> Antonio, yeah, my dad works three jobs to support us and my mum  
just
>>> stopped working around two months ago so my family works really 
hard.
>>> My grandparents also give us a certain amount of money each year 
to
>>> help pay for things.  Without all this, there is no way we could 
go to
>>> the school I'm in.  There are many families, even some that are
>>> extremely poor, that do everything they can to send their kids 
to a
>>> private school.  So, because of the cost, my parents just can't 
pay
>>> anymore for other things.

>>> I receive mobility training twice a month and I really don't 
know how
>>> I get it.  All I know is that I've gotten it all my life.

>>> Thank you so much for all your help guys.  I'll just talk with 
people
>>> and see what we can do.

>>> On 11/12/08, Antonio Guimaraes <aguimaraes at nbp.org> wrote:
>>>> Franandiah,

>>>> Carrie Gilmer's e-mail address is

>>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

>>>> Please write to her, and see the best way to communicate.

>>>> Maybe you'll need to make some calls to the parent advocate in 
your
>>>> state,
>>>> but first write Carrie at

>>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

>>>> Good luck,

>>>> Antonio

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school


>>>>> Okay, I will .How do I get ahold of this Kerry Gilmer person? 
The
>>>>> reason they can't pay for braille books is becasue there are 
four kids
>>>>> in my family and we all go to a Christian school.  That is so 
much
>>>>> money.  My dad works three jobs and my mum works one.  It takes 
a lot,
>>>>> but I guess that is just what they believe in.  I get mobility
>>>>> training twice a month and I only got it because I used to go to 
a
>>>>> public school to learn braille.  That is my main confusion.  I 
learned
>>>>> braille, but why did I if I will never use it? That is my real
>>>>> confusion.  Why did I waste three years of my life then? I don't 
know.
>>>>> I would love to talk to somone.  I just need humbers and whne is 
the
>>>>> best time to call.

>>>>> On 11/12/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe most, but not all.  Many private schools have extensive
>>>>>> scholarship
>>>>>> programs too.
>>>>>> Franandah, I think what Heather and others have been saying is 
true.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> scary talking to someone you've never met before, especially 
about such
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> emotional topic, but I think it's necessary.
>>>>>> Also, when you progress with your studies, or enter the working 
world,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> will be necessary for you to seek out and/or use resources to 
help you.
>>>>>> Unfortunately most people don't know how to properly assist 
someone
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> visual impairment, and so you have to educate them and provide 
specific
>>>>>> methods and resources you can use together to reach a solution.  
So if
>>>>>> there's any plus about your struggle right now it's that you'll 
gain
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> skills.  I'm so sorry things have been so difficult for you, but 
you
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> grow as a strong independent person through these experiences.  
I wish
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> had the support of your family, but if you show them how 
seriously you
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> things to change, by following the suggestions other listers 
have
>>>>>> given,
>>>>>> then hopefully they'll take you more seriously.
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> Sarah

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:11 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school

>>>>>> Franandah,

>>>>>> Last comment from me since your situation cannot be changed by 
our
>>>>>> suggestions; you need an advocate on your side.  Your parents 
and
>>>>>> teachers
>>>>>> obviously don't understand your vision.  Of course you use your 
vision
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> its ineffective.
>>>>>> If you can get a hold of simulators and have these people wear 
them it
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> help in them understanding your vision.
>>>>>> Also, it does not make sense how your parents pay for Christian 
school,
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> expensive, and do not pay for your other needs to learn.  How 
can they
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> afford it?  Most families who send their kids to private schools 
are
>>>>>> affluent.  Something really smells fishy here.
>>>>>> Anyway if they can not pay as you say, you can get a group such 
as the
>>>>>> lions

>>>>>> club to purchase you an embosser or adaptive equipment.

>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> Ashley

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school


>>>>>>> Yeah, everyone knows that I'm leaglly blind, they just say that
>>>>>>> because I have sight I should use it.  I go to a really poor 
school and
>>>>>>> they say that they won't pay for it.  My family just can't pay 
for
>>>>>>> tuition and then on top of that, braille books, embossers, and 
other
>>>>>>> adaptive technology.

>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Does your ophthalmologist have any idea that your 20/800 sight
>>>>>>>> classifies you as legally blind under the law?  What about the 
Hadley
>>>>>>>> School for the Blind?  It's a distance-education school for 
blind
>>>>>>>> people, and you can take high school classes and get a diploma 
like
>>>>>>>> anybody else, and you can also take a fw Bible classes, though 
they
>>>>>>>> don't give credit.  As far as a Christian education, you can 
just go
>>>>>>>> to youth group and go to church and participate in choirs and 
such.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the info.  I hope I can help.
>>>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I never used an E chart.  I can't see enough to do that.  I've 
always
>>>>>>>>> used someones finger and tracked it or something.  I do go to an
>>>>>>>>> ophthalmologist every year.  The eye results I get are given to 
my
>>>>>>>>> parents.  My sight is 20/800.  that is what I have been told.  
However,
>>>>>>>>> that doesn't seam to matter because my school and TC say "You 
have
>>>>>>>>> some usable sight so use it!" so...

>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You could use an eye exam results thing.  You need to see an
>>>>>>>>>> ophthalmologist, someone qualified to look at your eyes.  Using 
E
>>>>>>>>>> chart results will put enough pressure on the school.  Then, 
what
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> need to do is talk to an organization like NFB who can help try 
to
>>>>>>>>>> pressure the school into allowing you to have audio books and so
>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> How?

>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay.  So you could still pressure the heck out of the school
>>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>>>> you get what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have mobility training, just no braille books and technology.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would pressure the heck out of the school until you get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more mobility training.  I get training once a week at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am soposted to get large print books and assingments, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always forgets so I'm always behind in school.  I have extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests and mobility training twice a month.  I really would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> swich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to braille though.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who said she got her stuff enlarged while she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough sight.  She's going blind year by year, and she's fine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had orientation and mobility training too - an hour a week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was pretty awesome.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Hope Paulos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had brailled handouts, brailled texts and audio texts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientation and mobility training and extra time on tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were extremely effective.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:34:38 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I had braille extra time on tests my books and hand outs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also brailled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rania,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking this for a class as well as to compare my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had pretty decent services.  I got braille and audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my TVI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was good at giving braille handouts and I got extra time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we have discussed before, I struggled fitting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my psychology of individuals with disabilities class, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present about visual impairment and accomodations and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impact.  So my questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  What accomodations did you use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Were they effective? If you used print you may have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more effective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with braille.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  What should have been done that was not?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common accomodations I can think of are: large print or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> braille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handouts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio texts, and extended time on tests.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
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