[nabs-l] accommodations in public school

Wed Nov 12 14:54:49 UTC 2008

Hello Buddy,

You have very good points. I understand your message about pushing a car vs. 
driving it.

However, we should realize that eye doctors are most often not the best 
blindness advocates. They are a diagnostic tool who can provide the facts 
about one's eye sight. They are not interested in spending their time 
advocating for patients.

Sincerely,

Antonio

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy W." <wurmlord at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school

> Frandandah,
>
> As others here have suggested, an advocate is a great idea, your eye 
> doctor would be a great choice or maybe they can recomend someone to help. 
> You might also try putting your argument into a perspective that your 
> parents and the school can understand.  Here is one similar to what I used 
> on an instructor earlier this year when she said that I could use ANY 
> computer with a windows operating system because it has a magnifier, and I 
> shouldn't and couldn't use my laptop.  I have changed it to fit your 
> situation.
>
> Which is a more efficient use of available resources for your parents? 
> Pushing the car to work every day, or putting gas in the tank and driving 
> the car to and from work?  Both of them get the job done, but which one is 
> faster and easier?  Of course, we must first assume they have already 
> learned to drive.
>
> Now put that to use with Braille.  Once you learn it, your speed will 
> gradually increase, just like a person learning to drive a car becomes 
> more experienced and confident over time.  Now which is faster?  Tracking 
> a single letter in a word at a time like my vision allows (my only eye is 
> 20/600 with only a 6 degree visual field), constantly losing my place, 
> usually taking about an hour or so to read an average page. or using 
> Braille, and being able to read that same page in just a few minutes?  Of 
> course using Braille is much faster and efficient, just like using 
> gasoline and driving the car is much faster and easier than trying to push 
> it.
>
> I can understand how frustrated you must feel, but making threats tends to 
> put people on the defensive, and defensive people tend to be more close 
> minded, and not willing to listen to your argument or point of view.
>
> I wish you luck,
> Buddy
> "Self is the only prison that can ever bind the soul." -- Henry Van Dyke
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Ashley  Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>>list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:54:59 -0500
>>
>>Frandandah,
>>
>>That's really surprising you get mobility training but no braille.  How 
>>often do you see an instructor and is it off school grounds?  I would 
>>think your parents would resist the cane, a symbol of blindness, if they 
>>resist braille.
>>
>>Ashley
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Franandah Damstra" 
>><fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:01 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>
>>
>>>I have mobility training, just no braille books and technology.
>>>
>>>On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>I would pressure the heck out of the school until you get Braille and
>>>>more mobility training.  I get training once a week at the most.
>>>>Beth
>>>>
>>>>On 11/6/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>I am soposted to get large print books and assingments, but everyone
>>>>>always forgets so I'm always behind in school. I have extra time on
>>>>>tests and mobility training twice a month. I really would rather swich
>>>>>to braille though.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>I have a friend who said she got her stuff enlarged while she had
>>>>>>enough sight.  She's going blind year by year, and she's fine with
>>>>>>Braille now.
>>>>>>Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>I had orientation and mobility training too - an hour a week after
>>>>>>>school.
>>>>>>>It was pretty awesome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>Behalf
>>>>>>>Of Hope Paulos
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I had brailled handouts, brailled texts and audio texts,
>>>>>>>orientation and mobility training and extra time on tests.  These
>>>>>>>were extremely effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:34:38 -0500
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I had braille extra time on tests my books and hand outs were
>>>>>>>also brailled.
>>>>>>>>Rania,
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:05 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm asking this for a class as well as to compare my experience
>>>>>>>to yours.
>>>>>>>>>I had pretty decent services.  I got braille and audio books and
>>>>>>>my TVI
>>>>>>>>>was good at giving braille handouts and I got extra time on
>>>>>>>tests.
>>>>>>>>>As we have discussed before, I struggled fitting in socially
>>>>>>>though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In my psychology of individuals with disabilities class, I was
>>>>>>>asked to
>>>>>>>>>present about visual impairment and accomodations and other
>>>>>>>academic
>>>>>>>>>impact.  So my questions.
>>>>>>>>>1.  What accomodations did you use?
>>>>>>>>>2.  Were they effective? If you used print you may have been
>>>>>>>more effective
>>>>>>>>>with braille.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>3.  What should have been done that was not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Common accomodations I can think of are: large print or braille
>>>>>>>handouts,
>>>>>>>>>audio texts, and extended time on tests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>>>Ashley
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