[nabs-l] learning arabic or chinese

[Eliza Cooper]

Hi all,
	Thanks to everyone for their help and advice.  Being a visual  
learner, having the option to use braille in my learning process might  
make it easier for me, but it's good to know that Jaws can handle these.
	Happy Monday,
	Eliza

On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Sydney Walker Freedman wrote:

> ...and I thought *Chinese* braille was crazy. I'd say that, in
> general, languages with alphabets, e.g. Arabic, Russian, Greek,
> English, are easier to handle in braille than those with pictographic
> systems, e.g. Chinese. In a pinch, if you find that the braille may
> keep you from learning quickly or simply be too much of a bother, you
> could just use roman transliteration (for Mandarin Chinese, called
> Pinyin, for example).
>
> Pax,
> Sydney
>
> On 8/2/09, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Well, I've been learning Japanese since I was twelve and they use
>> braille as well. Sadly, it is quiete a  long process. They first
>> translate the kanji (The picture writing taken from the Chinese) and
>> turn it into Kana (A  mix of Hiragana, which is used for non kanji
>> words and for young children, and Katagana, which is used for foreign
>> words with Japanese pronunciation.) After that it is translated into
>> Braille. The Braille however, is quite complicated and I have yet to
>> master it. I am much better at understanding, and then speaking the
>> language. In this case, I'm grateful for a  screen reader.
>>
>>
>> On 8/1/09, Eliza Cooper <eliza.l.cooper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Ben and all,
>>> 	Very good point, and please understand that I meant absolutely no
>>> offense by my choice of the term "non-standard."  I simply used it  
>>> as
>>> a way to differentiate between the American english alphabet (i.e.,
>>> the Latin one, as you pointed out) and those of other languages.   
>>> Poor
>>> wording, admittedly.
>>> 	Thanks,
>>> 	Eliza
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2009, at 1:43 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Eliza,
>>>>
>>>> I am not a speaker of any language with an alphabet other than
>>>> latin. Please
>>>> be careful with the word nonstandard. It's only nonstandard to  
>>>> those
>>>> of us
>>>> whose languages use the Latin alphabet. To Nimer, the Arabic
>>>> alphabet is
>>>> standard and ours is nonstandard. Anyway, Jaws does have Realspeak
>>>> solo
>>>> direct voices for Russian, Chinese (Mandarin and Cantonese),  
>>>> Korean,
>>>> Japanese and Greek as well as Czech and Polish, whose versions of
>>>> the Latin
>>>> alphabet has some other diacritical marks that must have special
>>>> treatment.
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>>
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