[nabs-l] Understanding Symbolic Logic textbook

Thu Aug 27 03:51:44 UTC 2009

Ashley,

Most of what you need to know is found here:

http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/index.html

I think you'll likely want to read this in particular:

http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/howto.html

Being unable to take the class is its own consequence, more so 
because you likely had to pay for the class and would not likely 
receive full refund.

As for remedy requested, I'd say the remedy is simple: Provide what 
accommodations are needed for you to take the course, along with a 
discount in tuition equal to that you were not refunded when you had 
to drop the class before.

These things are usually settled by agreements--either early 
agreement between you and the university, or between the OCR and the 
university.  The former is problematic in that you won't have the OCR 
to ensure they do what they need to do.  The latter you have no 
control over.  All you may do is file a new complaint if they don't 
follow the agreement.

Any complaint may result in retaliation, which is not permitted, but 
happens.  If it does, you simply need to fine another complaint.

Joseph

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 01:16:32PM -0400, Ashley  Bramlett wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> I agree that the university has an obligation to provide accomodations 
> and certainly to recommend not taking the class is no accomodation.
>
> I was at Marymount and I also was told not to take a class.  It was a  
> communication class named broadcast delivery and students had to prepare  
> scripts and deliver on video for it.  They said that I wouldn't see and 
> thus be able to practice the nonverbal communication such as gestures.  
> It didn't help the instructor was absent and the substitutes I had could 
> not accomodate me; the instructor was away on medical leave a few weeks.  
> The students practiced broadcast delivery such as public service 
> announcements by reading the text and handouts.  I read braille but this 
> was not in braille or large print.  So I couldn't do it.
> My point being the university did not accomodate me and they pressured me 
> to drop the class and I did.
>
> I did not know you could file complaints.  I thought that was for grades  
> K-12.
> If I go back to school for another degree or grad school I'll keep this 
> in mind.
>
> How do you file complaints
> with the office of civil rights in the department of education?
> What happens after you do it?  I suppose you have to prove harm to 
> justify your complaint.  How do they resolve complaints?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Were I your roommate, I would file a complaint with the Office for 
>> Civil Rights in the Department of Education straight away.  The 
>> university has an obligation to provide an accommodation here, and the 
>> recommendation not to take the course is no accommodation!
>>
>> A good course in logic should be required study in my opinion because 
>> of the value I have gained from it.  It was required for the CS degree 
>> I originally worked toward, but has been applicable to every other 
>> field I have even investigated.
>>
>> They would have the same trouble with a symbolic logic text that they 
>> have with a math text.  Do they recommend that he not take math either? 
>>  This is inexcusable.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> -- 
>> How many children in America are not taught how to read?
>> If they are blind, the answer is 90%.
>> Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 06:28:28PM -0500, Dave Wright wrote:
>>> Good evening all, I have a roommate who is in the process of 
>>> searching without success for a textbook for one of his classes. The 
>>> title of the book is: Understanding symbolic logic, by Virginia Klenk 
>>> 3rd Ed
>>>
>>> He's been told by a number of representatives from the university's 
>>> office of disabilities to not take the class as they would have a 
>>> difficult time converting the materials. As we all know, this can be 
>>> a rather frustrating situation. Any thoughts concerning this matter 
>>> would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Best Regards:
>>> Dave Wright
>>> Work Phone: 347-422-7085
>>> Email:
>>> dwrigh6 at gmail.com
>>> WebPage:
>>> http://www.knfbreader.com
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