[nabs-l] Dating and relationships

Mon Dec 14 16:48:17 UTC 2009

Antonio,

I sat in briefly on last night's call, didn't say anything as the dialogue
was moving along quite nicely, but you are correct in your points below.
The conversation was not at all the frivolous subject I thought it would be,
and so next time I offer my twenty dollar's worth on what constitutes a
productive subject, I give you permission to tell me to shut the hell up and
let the students talk about what is most meaningful to them. *grin*  At
twenty-seven, I'm already turning into a Mike Freeman.  Lord help us.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio M. Guimaraes
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships

Hello Joe and others,

I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference 
call topic, and its relevance to blind students. I am a member 
of the membership committee, and a guest speaker on the call, 
so you may take my comments witha grain of salt.

1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of 
whether one is blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people 
to be not much different from the sighted public. While NABS is 
a blind student organization, and should focus on blind student 
topics, we recognize that students around the age of most of 
our members may face some insecurities around dating, and 
relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness, 
such as table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body 
language, and figure out if a girl is looking at you in a 
flirtatious way, and what is appropriate dating behavior?

If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection, 
and previous relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I 
certainly was, and blindness came into view for me. Do sighted 
women want to date me, a blind guy who can't give her the 
football boyfriend status, or the my boyfriend drives a nice 
car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't offer in 
the way of such superficial things.

Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim 
a 70 percent unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be 
taking the object of my attraction on dates, or even take cabs 
to see her?

Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?

The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB, 
and of NABS. 
We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and 
pursuing our dreams.

2. The membership committee has held conference calls in 
previous years, and one this year, and attendance was slim. 
Why, I ask? Why does our membership not show up to the calls? A 
few might criticize the way this is done, or how that is 
accomplished, but I thought our previous call was interesting 
and informative, and less people than have taken part in this 
thread showed up.

I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will 
bring is some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all 
work and no play. I hope that people show up to this call, and 
future ones, and give input, and constructive criticism. I also 
hope that the topic interests people, and brings more people in 
to participating in the calls.

3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student 
division, seminar, why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS 
activities, like a conference call?

Antonio Guimaraes

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of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at 
an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually 
produce all the world's great literary works in Braille.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships

> Hello,
>
> I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic.  Definitions of what constitutes
> healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that 
has universal
> appeal to both blind and sighted people alike.  Twelve hour's worth of
> discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good 
definition,
> because each person's perspectives are so different.
>
> Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and 
relationships has a very
> significant influence on the work of a student division.  Is it a good
> social talk?  Most definitely.  Will it get us any closer to 
making NABS
> compete for influence over students who need to learn about 
independence? 
> I
> don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker.  I think 
it comes down 
> to
> strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the 
better venue would
> be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
>
> Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback, 
so here are 
> the
> questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way 
that may help
> participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to 
seduce and
> conquer.
>
> 1. What are some good websites that give detailed 
descriptions of current
> fashions and general clothing lines?
>
> 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items 
of clothing,
> and what are some good expectations to set for them so that 
they do not
> dress you according to their personal views?
>
> 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup?  Are 
there stores
> that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
>
> 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
> maintenance, etc.
>
> 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
>
> 6. How do you pull off using taxis?  How do you decide on this versus 
> public
> transportation?  If you're walking, how do you survey the 
terrain?  Do you
> take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
>
> 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
> expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the 
sighted guide?
>
> 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you 
are doing as
> much of it independently and minimize the need for questions 
once you are
> there?
>
> There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these 
questions will
> generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I 
think would be a
> better return on your investment of time.  My senior year in 
high school I
> actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in 
> advance
> so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom 
locations, that
> sort of thing.  My friend and I, who would end up double 
dating with two
> ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in 
> relation
> to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after 
the dance, and
> while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure 
you that on 
> the
> night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was 
on where the
> heck we might or might not end up.  Some people might find 
excitement from
> being adventurous.  There is a way to accomplish this, but 
this has to do
> with your confidence as a traveler.  If you do not feel comfortable
> deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of 
Restaurant Y, 
> you
> have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not 
you're going 
> to
> ask the girl out.
>
> At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the 
conversation
> should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the 
Membership guys for
> holding these calls.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
> Melissa,   you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
> aware you did.
>  The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
> I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
> that more contributions  are added to this string and that you
> all  are able to attend the call and share your views on this
> stuff! I love it.
> Thanks Antonio!
> Darian
>
> On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>> Hey what about this question.
>> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
>> diference?
>> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
>> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
>> That is not a good sign.
>> That is unhealthy.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Melissa Green
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
>>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
> the subject.
>>>
>>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
>>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>>>
>>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>>> company? what's the difference.
>>>
>>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>>
>>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
>>> room for your "other" friends?
>>>
>>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as
>>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
>>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
>>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>>>
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