[nabs-l] Dating and relationships

Thu Dec 17 14:47:27 UTC 2009

Hi Joe,

Glad you could join the call, and that you found the discussion meaningful.

After a long time away from the list, I am reminded why it is an excellent 
way to get to know our membership.

Our conversation has been one of courteous, but opinionated positions about 
what nabs aught and aught not to be.

Thank you Joe, for your openness, and even the challenge for thought and 
betterment of NABS. You have challenged me to think clearly and succinctly 
time and time again. I just am happy I can keep up, grin.

And since you are a younger version of Freeman, I could always fill the 
shoes of Steve Jacobsen, how about it, grin.

Antonio Guimaraes

If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
works in Braille.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships

> Antonio,
>
> I sat in briefly on last night's call, didn't say anything as the dialogue
> was moving along quite nicely, but you are correct in your points below.
> The conversation was not at all the frivolous subject I thought it would 
> be,
> and so next time I offer my twenty dollar's worth on what constitutes a
> productive subject, I give you permission to tell me to shut the hell up 
> and
> let the students talk about what is most meaningful to them. *grin*  At
> twenty-seven, I'm already turning into a Mike Freeman.  Lord help us.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio M. Guimaraes
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:30 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
> Hello Joe and others,
>
> I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference
> call topic, and its relevance to blind students. I am a member
> of the membership committee, and a guest speaker on the call,
> so you may take my comments witha grain of salt.
>
> 1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of
> whether one is blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people
> to be not much different from the sighted public. While NABS is
> a blind student organization, and should focus on blind student
> topics, we recognize that students around the age of most of
> our members may face some insecurities around dating, and
> relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness,
> such as table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body
> language, and figure out if a girl is looking at you in a
> flirtatious way, and what is appropriate dating behavior?
>
> If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection,
> and previous relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I
> certainly was, and blindness came into view for me. Do sighted
> women want to date me, a blind guy who can't give her the
> football boyfriend status, or the my boyfriend drives a nice
> car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't offer in
> the way of such superficial things.
>
> Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim
> a 70 percent unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be
> taking the object of my attraction on dates, or even take cabs
> to see her?
>
> Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?
>
> The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB,
> and of NABS.
> We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and
> pursuing our dreams.
>
> 2. The membership committee has held conference calls in
> previous years, and one this year, and attendance was slim.
> Why, I ask? Why does our membership not show up to the calls? A
> few might criticize the way this is done, or how that is
> accomplished, but I thought our previous call was interesting
> and informative, and less people than have taken part in this
> thread showed up.
>
> I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will
> bring is some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all
> work and no play. I hope that people show up to this call, and
> future ones, and give input, and constructive criticism. I also
> hope that the topic interests people, and brings more people in
> to participating in the calls.
>
> 3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student
> division, seminar, why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS
> activities, like a conference call?
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number
> of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at
> an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually
> produce all the world's great literary works in Braille.
>
> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic.  Definitions of what constitutes
>> healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that
> has universal
>> appeal to both blind and sighted people alike.  Twelve hour's worth of
>> discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good
> definition,
>> because each person's perspectives are so different.
>>
>> Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and
> relationships has a very
>> significant influence on the work of a student division.  Is it a good
>> social talk?  Most definitely.  Will it get us any closer to
> making NABS
>> compete for influence over students who need to learn about
> independence?
>> I
>> don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker.  I think
> it comes down
>> to
>> strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the
> better venue would
>> be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
>>
>> Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback,
> so here are
>> the
>> questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way
> that may help
>> participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to
> seduce and
>> conquer.
>>
>> 1. What are some good websites that give detailed
> descriptions of current
>> fashions and general clothing lines?
>>
>> 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items
> of clothing,
>> and what are some good expectations to set for them so that
> they do not
>> dress you according to their personal views?
>>
>> 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup?  Are
> there stores
>> that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
>>
>> 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
>> maintenance, etc.
>>
>> 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
>>
>> 6. How do you pull off using taxis?  How do you decide on this versus
>> public
>> transportation?  If you're walking, how do you survey the
> terrain?  Do you
>> take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
>>
>> 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
>> expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the
> sighted guide?
>>
>> 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you
> are doing as
>> much of it independently and minimize the need for questions
> once you are
>> there?
>>
>> There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these
> questions will
>> generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I
> think would be a
>> better return on your investment of time.  My senior year in
> high school I
>> actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in
>> advance
>> so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom
> locations, that
>> sort of thing.  My friend and I, who would end up double
> dating with two
>> ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in
>> relation
>> to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after
> the dance, and
>> while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure
> you that on
>> the
>> night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was
> on where the
>> heck we might or might not end up.  Some people might find
> excitement from
>> being adventurous.  There is a way to accomplish this, but
> this has to do
>> with your confidence as a traveler.  If you do not feel comfortable
>> deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of
> Restaurant Y,
>> you
>> have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not
> you're going
>> to
>> ask the girl out.
>>
>> At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the
> conversation
>> should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the
> Membership guys for
>> holding these calls.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>> Melissa,   you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
>> aware you did.
>>  The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
>> I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
>> that more contributions  are added to this string and that you
>> all  are able to attend the call and share your views on this
>> stuff! I love it.
>> Thanks Antonio!
>> Darian
>>
>> On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>> Hey what about this question.
>>> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
>>> diference?
>>> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
>>> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
>>> That is not a good sign.
>>> That is unhealthy.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Melissa Green
>>> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's
>>> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
>>>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
>> the subject.
>>>>
>>>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
>>>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>>>>
>>>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>>>> company? what's the difference.
>>>>
>>>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>>>
>>>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
>>>> room for your "other" friends?
>>>>
>>>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as
>>>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>>>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
>>>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
>>>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>>>>
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