[nabs-l] Research Paper Help

Sat Jun 20 17:24:09 UTC 2009

Joe,
This is a good point. A compromise might be that the school provides  
the student with contact information for local organizations which  
provide o and m training, but make it the student's responsibility to  
get in touch with said organizations. Perhaps the school could pay for  
a finite number of instructional hours for the student, but then make  
it the student's responsibility to pay/find funding for any additional  
hours beyond this set number. Some schools have a bersary for students  
with disabilities who qualify for government assistance in paying  
their tuition, and some organizations who provide o and m training are  
registered charities who provide their services for free. Gradually  
making students responsible for their own orientation seems better  
than any alternative.
Does this sound reasonable?
Sarah

Quoting Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com>:

> Making it a legal requirement opens the door on too many scenarios.  If the
> DSS office begins showing students to their classes there is really no
> reason why the student should not be shown to the dining halls, the
> recreation centers, the parks, theaters, party sites and any other  venue on
> campus not necessarily included as part of the student's class schedule.
> This may seem extreme, but this is also America, where loopholes are
> routinely abused.  Would it be wrong for the school to provide someone to
> do this extracurricular orientation?  Of course not, but I'd rather that be
> carried out according to the school's discretion and availability rather
> than as a matter of mandated obligation.  A student should see the school's
> assistance as a useful resource rather than as a crutch.
>
> Joe Orozco
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> I would respectfully disagree. I think it's 100% the school's
> responsibility to orient the student to campus. If the student
> wishes to learn the surrounding city/town they should find
> their own way of doing it, but how can a office for students
> with disabilities properly assist their students academically
> if the students don't know the way to class?
>
>
> Quoting Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>:
>
>> I don't think the college has a legal responsibility to provide cane
>> lessons to blind students and, yes, it's the student's responsibility
>> to orient to the campus.  Having said that, this doesn't mean that
>> nobody should be available to help students orient.  It doesn't have
>> to be the disability services office.  When I was in college,
> I simply
>> asked friends I really trusted to walk with me around campus
> to orient
>> me.  I also sometimes used my mom.  If you don't think your friends
>> are right for the job, so to speak, readers are often good options.
>>
>> Serena
>>
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>> Subject: [nabs-l] Research Paper Help
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>>> Hi all, Hope any of you can help me with some information for a
>>> research topic on mobility.  It involves a hypothetical question.
>>> What would happen to a visually impaired student on your campus if
>>> he or she needed help with orientation and mobility but had no
>>> funding from government or social agencies?  Let us say in this
>>> example the student already had basic white cane skills, but just
>>> needed to have someone walk with them until they had a route
>>> planned?  Would the college or university offer direct help?  On my
>>>  campus, such help is seen as the individual responsibility of the
>>> blind student.   It is simply sink or swim if one does not have
>>> help or money to pay for it.It was suggested to me that someone who
>>>  needed help should post a flyer on college bulletin boards.  It
>>> just seems to me that is reasonable to think that some member of
>>> the college or university could be designated to offer some
>>> assistance as a kind of mobility aideto do an initial run through
>>> so a student could get to
>>> classes each semester.  I have tried to lobby for this in a low key
>>>  way, but so far my suggestions have fallen on unreceptive ears.
>>> My request for tactile maps has also been seemingly ignored.  Is
>>> this similar or not to the situation on your campus?  Thanks for
>>> any thoughts, Ginnie
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