[nabs-l] NFB/ACB

[Aziza C]

Where would the meeting be held? On an agrred uppon location.
and when? Well, it would be scheduled around both sets of NABS schedules.
Who would fund it? Our NABS board, with hard-earned NFB money? No,
both NABS', and hard earned money specifically raised for such an
event.

Who would organize it? Those of us interested in seeing it through.
and what would be the theme? Harmony? I was thinking more along the
lines of open communication.

On 5/18/09, Antonio M. Guimaraes <iamantonio at cox.net> wrote:
> Aziza,
>
> Regarding statistics about bad traffic about the ACB, I take my example from
> this list. How much of our time do we spend trashing them, and their
> efforts.
>
> If we continue too much longer, this conversation will turn bashful, so I
> will try to stop, even as I am tempted to make my arguments until the cow
> comes home.
>
> I understand the initial thread came from Jim's questions.
>
> Jim, you are a curious, smart, and inquizitive guy. I suggest you read
> Walking Alone, Marching Together, a History of the Organized Blind Movement,
> available on tape from your cooperating braille and talking book library.
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
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> works in Braille.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aziza C" <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB/ACB
>
>
> Joesiph,
> If David and others continue to hold that mentality, we are just as
> bad as 3 fourths of the ACB's negative traffic concerning us. Has
> anyone stopped to look at the statistics about the negative traffic
> from us to the ACB?
> Aziza
>
> On 5/18/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> About 3/4 of ACB traffic is negative reaction to anything (and just
>> about everything) the NFB does.  It's easy to come to Dave's
>> conclusion.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:23:05AM -0700, Jim Reed wrote:
>>>Aziza,
>>>
>>>Well said. The older folks currently running these organizations have it
>>> ingrained in them to hate the other division. There is no need for that.
>>> All it really does is waste time, money, resources, and energy fighting
>>> amongt ourselfs, when that time, energy, money and resources could be
>>> better spent fighting discrimination or working to better the lives of
>>> blind people.
>>>
>>>It is widely recognized by sociologist and governemts that if government
>>> wants to impart change in society, the best place to start is with the
>>> children, as they will internalize what they learn, then pass it along to
>>> their parents. Consider "Smokey the Bear", Smokey certianly isn't trying
>>> to teach adults about forest fires.
>>>
>>>Additionally, student organization have a better chance of bridging the
>>>gap
>>> because we don't have the baggage preventing us from working with the
>>> other side. Furthermore, there are new members such as myself who have no
>>> history in this conflict, thus no reason to prepetuate it. I have no
>>> affiliation with the ACB, but if I am in a conversation, and the
>>> conversation turns anti-ACB, I will remove myself from that conversation.
>>> There is no reason for me to listen to that and no reason for me to
>>> develop an unwarranted bias against a group of individuals I have never
>>> met.
>>>
>>>I am not saying a joint student convention will solve any or all of our
>>> issues, but it could eb a good first step. If it goes well, we students
>>> let time (and the circle of life) remove the baggage between these
>>> organizations, and we atart anew. Unlike the current leadership, time is
>>> on our side.
>>>
>>>Last, the NFB is not innocent in prepetuating this conflict. The fact that
>>> Dave Anderws said, "The ACB exists to do things differently from the NFB.
>>> If you take that away from them, there isn't much left." speaks volumes
>>> to
>>> me about the nature of this conflict; because the ACB is different, they
>>> are inferior? Isn't that the same type of biggotry that we are trying to
>>> fight in society regarding blindness?
>>>
>>>Just a thought
>>>Jim
>>
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