[nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud

Tue May 19 16:51:07 UTC 2009

Regarding a joint convention, my advice is this: Start small.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud


> Back in the early 1990's, Dr. Jernigan made a serious proposal to the
> ACB that we hold a joint convention, that is some shared stuff like
> exhibits, as I recall, and some stuff running at the same time so
> people could choose.
>
> They of course refused, because wouldn't come off well in a direct
comparison.
>
> Dave
>
> At 10:47 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
> >When confronted with a proposal I hadn't first considered, I ask myself
> >"could it do any harm?" If it could, maybe we should back away from it,
but
> >if it couldn't, we might as well try it.
> >         Now, I don't see what harm a joint NFB-ACB convention could
cause
> >either organization. As long as we don't concede any of those principals
> >which drive us toward self-sufficiency, I think the worst it could be is
> >unproductive.
> >         Now I would have it be self-supporting. Have a fund raiser, or
> >several fund raisers, specifically for this project, and don't tap into
the
> >general funds. Then you can run the project as you choose, and if it
doesn't
> >work, no harm done.
> >         I don't have much hope for an endeavor like this, I think the
rancor
> >goes too deep, but hell, if you can do it and fund it, I'll never stand
in
> >your way. You never know, it just might accomplish something.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> >Of Aziza C
> >Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:31 PM
> >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud
> >
> >I agree with Jim. And I think that some need to stop saying that it just
> >won't happen if one doesn't give up. It isn't about who is right and who
is
> >wrong, it's about who is willing to set aside our differences, come
together
> >and work together. We are all blind afterall. Besides, those who started
the
> >ACB, are not going to be running the ACB in the future. Us students, in
both
> >groups, will be in charge in the future. Students can relate to each
other,
> >and can be open minded if they choose to be. The older generation tends
to
> >stick to their ways. Although a joint student meeting will not resolve
the
> >problems, it "could," be the step to resolving the problems. Jim never
said
> >it would work, simply that it could, and I think it is worth a try.
> >
> >Jim, I was personally thinking of doing something similar with my small
> >student group from the Channel Islands Chapter, I would be interested in
> >your ideas.
> >Aziza
> >
> >On 5/17/09, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> > > Jim:
> > >
> > > I think there are specific issues on which the NFB and ACB can agree
> > > and work together, but I think it is unrealistic to think we will ever
> > > combine.  First, the ACB was started by a group of people who
> > > disagreed with how the NFB was doing things.  Unless they say you were
> > > right after all and we were wrong, or unless the NFB says, your way is
> > > better, it just isn't going to happen.  Secondly, there are
> > > fundamental and basic differences between the two groups, what we
> > > believe, how we conduct our business etc.  That stuff isn't, and
> > > shouldn't go away.
> > >
> > > As I say, cooperation on specific issues can and should take place.
but...
> > >
> > > The ACB exists to do things differently from the NFB.  If you take
> > > that away from them, there isn't much left.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > At 03:34 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
> > >>Terri and Arielle,
> > >>
> > >>I just wanted to let you both know that one of the members of MABS is
> > >>also VP of the National Student Division of the ACB. He is adamatly
> > >>opposed to the (bordering on childish) feud that exist beteen the two
> > >>organizations.
> > >>
> > >>I am wondering if we can't use this oppertunity to somehow begin
> > >>bringing the two organizations back together. After all, we will be
> > >>then next generation leading these two organizations, and if we can
> > >>sieze this oppertunity, maybe we students can set the example for the
> > >>"adults" within the two national organizations.
> > >>
> > >>I wonder if a join NABS/ACB student convention would be just the
> > >>solution to begin ending this conflict?
> > >>
> > >>Thoughts?
> > >>Jim
> > >>
> > >>Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology."
> > >>  Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated."
> > >>  Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology."
> > >>  Homer: "Okay, I will!"
> > >>
> > >>
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