[nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud

Wed May 20 03:21:39 UTC 2009

Aziza,

And what, pray tell, do you expect of the ACB's students?  You talk a 
great deal about what concessions you ask--no, expect--the NFB to 
make.  What concessions do you expect of the ACB?  I've not seen any.

I'd be open to a discussion of the sort you suggest if the ACB is 
willing to take a stand against things like making unsubstantiated 
accusations that the Federation leadership are guilty of fraud and 
embezzlement on their lists.  They have previously said that such 
accusations are topical and appropriate to acb-l, and that they will 
not challenge members' right to post such allegations nor require 
that they be accompanied by proof.

If you can actually get the ACB leadership to take a stand against 
that kind of thing, you'll have gotten something I never could, and 
maybe real cooperation is possible.  I couldn't even get Mitch to 
agree in principle that such baseless accusations were harmful.

Maybe things have changed in the past year or so.  I'm not holding my 
breath, though.

Joseph

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:32:40PM -0700, Aziza C wrote:
>Jordan,
>Awesomely stated. I do think however that the NFB's students need to
>reach a consensus about if we are willing to try this out. Or at
>least, get a strong number of us willing to work togeter too try.
>Then, we can use friendly contacts like Crhis and Sarah to get the ACB
>on the team with us.
>Aziza
>
>On 5/19/09, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is the ACB student division willing to end the feud?  Does anyone know?  I
>> have been wondering about getting the ACB and NFB back together for a while.
>> I mean, I went to their website, just to check it out, and I found that the
>> only main difference between the two is in their philosophies.  I understand
>> that NFB can't really compromise their philosophy, but we could at least
>> find some way to work together.  I mean, both NFB and ACB have scholarship
>> programs (ACB's is more than just proof of legal blindness, but also entails
>> an essay, letters of recommendation, etc.), student divisions, and they way
>> we both organize our organizations is similar.  I think, if the ACB students
>> would be willing, and since we students are the future, we could work on
>> bringing the two back together forming one big organization of the blind.
>>
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:22 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Could someone please, as objectively as possible, explain the NFB
>> versus ACB issues? I don't really get what the big deal is ...
>> Thank you,
>> Sarah
>> Quoting David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>:
>>
>>> Jim:
>>>
>>> I think there are specific issues on which the NFB and ACB can agree
>>> and work together, but I think it is unrealistic to think we will ever
>>> combine.  First, the ACB was started by a group of people who disagreed
>>> with how the NFB was doing things.  Unless they say you were right
>>> after all and we were wrong, or unless the NFB says, your way is
>>> better, it just isn't going to happen.  Secondly, there are fundamental
>>> and basic differences between the two groups, what we believe, how we
>>> conduct our business etc.  That stuff isn't, and shouldn't go away.
>>>
>>> As I say, cooperation on specific issues can and should take place. but...
>>>
>>> The ACB exists to do things differently from the NFB.  If you take that
>>> away from them, there isn't much left.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 03:34 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>> Terri and Arielle,
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to let you both know that one of the members of MABS
>>>> is also VP of the National Student Division of the ACB. He is
>>>> adamatly opposed to the (bordering on childish) feud that exist
>>>> beteen the two organizations.
>>>>
>>>> I am wondering if we can't use this oppertunity to somehow begin
>>>> bringing the two organizations back together. After all, we will be
>>>>  then next generation leading these two organizations, and if we
>>>> can  sieze this oppertunity, maybe we students can set the example
>>>> for  the "adults" within the two national organizations.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if a join NABS/ACB student convention would be just the
>>>> solution to begin ending this conflict?
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology."
>>>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated."
>>>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology."
>>>> Homer: "Okay, I will!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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