[nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud

Wed May 20 18:21:00 UTC 2009

Good afternoon all,
While I've really enjoyed reading all of these messages about finding a way 
to set aside the differences of both organizations in order to find a common 
ground on the student level, I'm wondering whether or not if any of the 
proponents of this idea have taken an active role of setting up a meetting 
involving students of both organizations on a local level. Since I believe 
that students should have a choice when it comes to advocacy, I don't mind 
that there are more than one organization advocating for the rights of blind 
students. I know how easy it is to talk the talk, but walking the walk and 
being an active proponent for change is much harder. While the thought of 
national change is perhaps an idealistic view, lets try first dealing with 
local change. I know this discussion has leaked over to the ACB listServe 
and believe both sides have positive feedback to offer.
Just my thoughts.

Best Regards:
Dave Wright
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud

> And I've heard a few people say "This has been tried before," but none 
> that
> I've heard have said just how it has been tried before. Before we doom a
> project to failure because it has been tried before, let's make damn sure
> we're actually trying it in the same way that failed last time. As I have
> said on here before, there are a hundred reasons a project can fail. Let's
> figure out why it failed, learn from it and go back to the drawing board
> with a new plan.
> Now, I am under the impression that last time someone tried to get
> the groups together they started nationally and attempted to drum up 
> support
> through the ACB list serve. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the
> impression I got. Aziza hasn't said one word about starting national or
> using the ACB list. I believe what she and others are talking about is
> starting locally, getting to know ACB members personally and planning 
> small
> get-togethers. This is a totally different tact. You can't judge the later
> on the results of the former.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Aziza C
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:00 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud
>
> Joesiph,
> I  am disappointed in your comment. Like I said, I expect things in the 
> NFB
> because I believe in it, because I have seen the positive things positive
> energy can do. And, because it's reenforced my idea to not give up. When
> I've been discouraged, seeing comments, talking to other NFB members,
> reading about the NFB has always made me feel at least a little better. 
> But
> now, so many people are saying it won't work, just not to try, because 
> it's
> been done, and it hasn't worked, so it is sure to never work.
> You talk about people leaving the NFB because of what they hear from the
> ACB, their minds being changed. Well... I haven't even met an ACB member 
> in
> person, much less an NFB hater, and I can honestly say I'm disappointed. 
> I'm
> loyal, but very disappointed.
> Aziza
>
> On 5/20/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aziza,
>>
>> Cooperation and trust are two-way streets.  You've had those who are
>> willing, but some of us have extended our hand in friendship only to
>> have it bitten off at the shoulder.  Most of those aren't willing to
>> experience that again willingly unless something has changed.  It's
>> been just a year since I tried, so I doubt that much has.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 08:49:37PM -0700, Aziza C wrote:
>>>Joesiph,
>>>I expect things from the NFB because I believe in it.
>>>
>>>I don't expect anything from the ACB, at least not yet. I don't know
>>>them well enough to make those observations. However, I have seen what
>>>the NFB is capable of, and I don't think sitting here and fuming over
>>>the fact that the ACB "hates," us is a productive way to spend my time
>>>as an NFB member. I'd much rather try to resolve it, and do something
>>>about it. I expect things from the NFB because i know it can happen if
>>>people would stop making excuses and actually try to think of
>>>productive ways to make things work.
>>>Aziza
>>>
>>>On 5/19/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> To the ACB's credit, the people running their student list when I
>>>> was on it would not tolerate attacks on the NFB on that list.  The
>>>> other lists were another story, but the student list was free of
>>>> that kind of thing for the most part and the moderators worked to
>>>> keep it that way.
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:45:37PM -0400, Ashley  Bramlett wrote:
>>>>> Hi Tina,
>>>>> I've not heard it from nfb members.  But from ACB members.
>>>>> I've heard and experienced the differences and attacks.  At local
>>>>> ACB meetings it comes  up; occassional attacks but most often just
>>>>> a different set of philosophies and priorities.  Additional as
>>>>> someone pointed out, I've heard the NFB villified on ACB-L the list
>>>>> serve for ACB similar to NFB's nfb-talk.
>>>>> That is what I meant by hating each other.  Sadly there is too much
>>>>> friction and attack.  More often its from older members.  ACB
>>>>> students and young adults are more open.  However ACB has a
>>>>> majority of older foks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>
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