[nabs-l] NFB/ACB

[sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca]

I think this has gone on long enough that I can pull out a line from  
the King of Rock and Roll - "a little less conversation a little more  
action please". If something is to be done between the NFB and ACB,  
then I suggest that those who are still interested should go ahead and  
try. If you are still determined to try after all this discussion,  
then try anyway and ignore the naysayers. Then you'll have a better  
sense of who is right in this debate, or at least you'll be able to  
give merit to those who deserve it. We've gone at this from every  
possible angle.
Just some thoughts.
Sarah


Quoting Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>:

> Joesiph,
> Those who want to try to bridge the gap should be warned, it won't be
> easy, no one said that. Emotions shouldn't be involved in this, it
> should just be determination, and trying to do this will take time.
> People firm in NFB belief won't change their mind, won't leave, and
> won't just give up when met with opposition.
> Aziza
>
> On 5/20/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There are whole books on the subject.  Short form:  One group wanted
>> to take control of the organization from another.  They tried a few
>> things, and that didn't work, and things got ugly between the
>> factions.  They got uglier until finally the straw that broke the
>> camel's back (there's disagreement as to what the straw was) led to
>> several allied states in the challengers' faction deciding to form
>> their own organization because they'd been effectively defeated and
>> silenced within the NFB.
>>
>> Nobody involved had clean hands, though both sides claim they did and
>> detail how the other side played dirty.  Just about everyone involved
>> in the original split is dead now, and the ensuing war has been
>> fought by people who are getting on in years now, even though it
>> lasted for almost two decades before settling down into what you see
>> now.
>>
>> The details fill at least two whole books.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:41:19AM -0400, Jamie Principato wrote:
>>> Does anyone here even know how the groups split to begin with?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Aziza C
>>> <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice Hope.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/19/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I never said everyone was part of it.  I said that it was tolerated
>>>> > and even encouraged on acb-l, including by ACB leadership.  As long
>>>> > as that continues, common ground is hard to find.
>>>> >
>>>> > Joseph
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 01:56:30PM -0700, Aziza C wrote:
>>>> >>Chris,
>>>> >>Am I correct to understand you are an ACB member?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I apologize if I'm wrong... but, if you are...
>>>> >>Everyone says ACB is trying to destroy us... Chris doesn't seem to be
>>>> >>trying to do that. Sara once was an ACB member, she now monitors both,
>>>> >>and yet she is not trying to destroy us.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>What do you guys say to that?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Two people in the ACB wanting to try, is better than none.
>>>> >>Aziza
>>>> >
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