[nabs-l] Scholarships

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Thu Apr 22 05:23:03 UTC 2010


It'll be earlier than that, usually within the first two weeks in May but it 
could be up to June 1.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Wooten" <mbrianwooten at gmail.com>
To: "nnpJennifer Applegate" <jlastar at comcast.net>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships


>I read on the NFB Home page thatthe recipients are notified by phone
> in the beginning of June.  Good luck to you
> Best Regards,
> Brian Wooten
> Nashville Tn
>
> On 4/21/10, Jennifer Applegate <jlastar at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Does anyone know when and how nfb national scholarship winners are 
>> notified?
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>>>   1. Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM EST
>>>      (Diggs, Parnell)
>>>   2. New List for Blind Conservatives (RyanO)
>>>   3. Re: Not Just Your Average Cane (T. Joseph Carter)
>>>   4. Help-Philosophy Question (Candice Chapman)
>>>   5. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Kerri Kosten)
>>>   6. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Anjelina)
>>>   7. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Briley Pollard)
>>>   8. Re: Bulletin board software (Joseph C. Lininger)
>>>   9. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Darian Smith)
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:38:23 -0500
>>> From: "Diggs, Parnell" <PDiggs at nfb.org> (by way of David Andrews
>>> <dandrews at visi.com>)
>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM
>>> EST
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>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues:
>>>
>>> Some of my fellow Federationists have asked me to conduct a
>>> fundraising seminar for those participating in the 2010 Race for
>>> Independence.
>>>
>>> The Dallas Convention is approaching fast, and we need to kick it
>>> into high gear for the final push to generate proceeds for NFB
>>> programs at the national, state, and local levels.
>>>
>>> If you have signed-up for the Race for Independence, or if you plan
>>> to do so, please call into (800) 910-2399 and use code 573791
>>> tomorrow night, Tuesday, April 20, at 8:00 p.m. (eastern).
>>>
>>> The call will last no longer than thirty minutes.  During this brief
>>> call, you will be able to hear from some of those who have already
>>> met their fundraising goals for 2010.
>>>
>>> Find out how they did it.  There is ample time to raise $250 by July
>>> 31, but we need to start now.  I look forward to your participation
>>> in this important call, and I thank you for the work you are doing.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Parnell Diggs, Chairman
>>> National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:32:10 -0500
>>> From: "RyanO" <ryano218 at comcast.net> (by way of David Andrews
>>> <dandrews at visi.com>)
>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] New List for Blind Conservatives
>>> Message-ID: <auto-000148667726 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
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>>> I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In October, 2008, a fellow Federationist and I were asked to reach
>>> out to the McCain campaign in hopes of persuading a representative to
>>> come speak at our monthly Denver chapter meeting on the topic of
>>> disability issues. We already had a rep from the Obama campaign in
>>> the person of one of our members, who was an official Obama
>>> surrogate. After several days of phone tag, I was informed that the
>>> McCain camp would not be sending a representative to speak to us. The
>>> reason I was given was because, "Obama was just too far ahead on
>>> disability issues."
>>>
>>> I and my fellow conservative blind friends were angry and hurt. We
>>> tried to give both sides equal time and felt we'd been told that we
>>> didn't matter. To that end, I felt I had two options. The first was
>>> to quit being a conservative and jump ship over to the other side.
>>> The second option was to get more actively involved and to make our
>>> voices heard on all levels. Anyone who knows me knows that option one
>>> was not an option.
>>>
>>> To that end, I have created a mailing list called, Brush Fires. It is
>>> primarily for blind conservatives so that we may form a network of
>>> communication and information. Let me stress that everyone is welcome
>>> on this list, no matter what their political stripe may be. In the
>>> spirit of the Federation, I believe that healthy debate and
>>> discussion fosters a more vibrant society for all of its members.
>>>
>>> Right now, the list is announce only. If we get big enough, I plan to
>>> turn it into a discussion mailing list. For more information, please
>>> Email me at
>>> ryano218 at comcast.net
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time and attention.
>>>
>>>
>>> RyanO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:28:52 -0700
>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Not Just Your Average Cane
>>> Message-ID: <20100420022851.GI90257 at yumi.bluecherry.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Catching up on piles of email, I saw this thread.  I can already see
>>> Joe Orozco wearing a giant talking watch around his neck.
>>>
>>> In all seriousness (or at least some seriousness), aside from the
>>> specific legal status afforded to a cane that is specifically white
>>> in many jurisdictions, I see no reason why one couldn't have one or
>>> more canes that reflect your personality.  In my case, I can picture
>>> one with a more ivory gloss finish, a leather grip, and polished
>>> steel cap with a satin finish.  It would be exactly the sort of cane
>>> I would take to more upscale events and the like.
>>>
>>> That said, finding a good way to treat the chips and scratches my
>>> general every day working cane is subjected to would be a good start.
>>> I've seen a number of rigid NFB canes that have gotten so much use
>>> that the bottom foot or so are graphite black because the white
>>> coating has completely chipped away.  Not exactly what I want when I
>>> want to look my best!
>>>
>>> And yes, the big talking watch for Joe to wear around his neck should
>>> have that [CENSORED] rooster alarm.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:33:56PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote:
>>>>Hi Mark,
>>>>
>>>>Having started the thread, I feel compelled to respond to your 
>>>>thoughtful
>>>>post.  It goes without say that people's opinions here do not reflect 
>>>>any
>>>>official NFB positions, and I honestly doubt the NFB would genuinely 
>>>>care
>>>>if
>>>>all its members suddenly decided to sport a wide range of colorfully
>>>>decorated canes.  I think Dr. Maurer would probably find the concept
>>>>amusing, and doesn't Whozit sport a black cane in our logo?  That fellow
>>>>was
>>>>far ahead of the curve.
>>>>
>>>>For my own part, I'm headed to Michael's sometime soon to embark upon a
>>>>project to transform my own cane into the walking wonder I know it can 
>>>>be.
>>>>I think that in doing so I would do well to use a measure of practical
>>>>sense.  Security checkpoints at airports and federal buildings would
>>>>probably not look kindly on a cane that is different from what is
>>>>popularly
>>>>accepted.  We can't expect the world to automatically get that blind
>>>>people
>>>>have their own sense of pizzazz, and by the same token, we can't expect
>>>>people to pick up on the fact we're blind at night if using something as
>>>>obscure as a black cane, even though I agree with the previous 
>>>>subscriber
>>>>that motorists should respect pedestrians with or without this new breed
>>>>of
>>>>eye candy.
>>>>
>>>>I'm glad people pointed out the jurisdictions that specifically call for
>>>>the
>>>>cane to be white.  In asking my question, sarcasm notwithstanding, I was
>>>>not
>>>>really setting out to violate laws that are meant to preserve my safety,
>>>>but
>>>>I do not want these laws to tuck me away into a label that can be every
>>>>bit
>>>>as condescending as terms like "handicapped."  If senior citizens can
>>>>sport
>>>>all manner of creatively designed walking canes, by golly, I want my own
>>>>mode of transportation to broadcast my own sense of humor.  It's not as 
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>can smack a bumper sticker on my German shepherd's butt and call it 
>>>>good,
>>>>although, can you imagine the wide range of clever slogans one could
>>>>produce
>>>>with that kind of strategic angle?
>>>>
>>>>All of this having been said, I spent nearly a year working on behalf of
>>>>victims of human trafficking.  I learned all about the negative
>>>>connotations
>>>>associated with words like "pimping," and for using that term to catch
>>>>your
>>>>attention, I am truly sorry.
>>>>
>>>>In summation, I think the responses on both lists to which the question
>>>>went
>>>>out has been mostly positive.  It's no scientific survey, but I think it
>>>>is
>>>>at least slightly indicative of the membership's willingness to explore
>>>>the
>>>>idea or at least humor my nonsense.  People who have given more
>>>>straight-laced responses are no doubt secretly glad they're not the only
>>>>ones who thought of this, because original this idea is most certainly
>>>>not.
>>>>Let's leave out the references to accessible currency and other
>>>>controversial topics out of it this time around.  We debate those 
>>>>serious
>>>>issues all the time and should enjoy the all too infrequent light 
>>>>banter.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>Joe Orozco and the Soon to Be Improved Sir Tap-A-Lot
>>>>
>>>>What, as if you haven't ever thought of giving your cane a name???
>>>>
>>>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their 
>>>>sleeves,
>>>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:51 PM
>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pimp My Cane
>>>>
>>>>I'm following this thread, and I know a large percentage of the folks
>>>>here are NFB members; I personally a not, nor any organization, for
>>>>that matter.  I find a bit of hypocrisy in this discussion:  First the
>>>>NFB rails against things like audible cross walk signals and so on,
>>>>claiming that the blind don't need them, that it's not what the blind
>>>>"want," whatever.  Same with identifiable currency.  Now, however, I
>>>>hear a bunch of the same people saying, in effect, "I want to carry a
>>>>symbol of blindness! I want to proclaim my blindness to everyone so
>>>>that they can alter their behaviors appropriately in recognition of
>>>>the fact that I'm blind!"  I should think the true spirit of the NFB
>>>>might be to use a black cane and give no indication whatsoever of
>>>>blindness, except on a purely voluntary basis.  I just don't
>>>>understand this.
>>>>
>>>>Mark BurningHawk
>>>>Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>>>Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>>>>Namaste!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:34:01 -0500
>>> From: Candice Chapman <warren.mercy at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question
>>> Message-ID: <COL118-W46E5CA9A9B6D245CD0C2E49C0A0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>
>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the
>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane 
>>> and
>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She
>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a 
>>> problem
>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the
>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud,
>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and
>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time 
>>> constraint,
>>>
>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I
>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the
>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps
>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The
>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel."
>>>
>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more
>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations 
>>> in
>>>
>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make 
>>> a
>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person,
>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of
>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential
>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of 
>>> your
>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind 
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Candice Chapman
>>>
>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience.
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:56:53 -0400
>>> From: Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Hi Candice:
>>>
>>> This is very interesting.
>>>
>>> I definitely think it is true to pick your battles. I was flying back
>>> from Florida with my parents. In scrambling to find a flight, our
>>> seats were in separate rows.
>>> I did not mind this at all, as I like to be independent and after all
>>> my parents were still on the same plane so I did not mind at all.
>>> However, when we got on the plane and the flight attendant found out
>>> our seats were separate and I was blind, she insisted on rearranging
>>> the two seats so my mother and I could sit together.
>>> At first, I was going to protest but decided against it because after
>>> all it just meant my mother would be sitting together and apparently
>>> the person who was in the seat beside my mother willingly moved. I
>>> could have and maybe should have spoken up on the issue more but it
>>> seemed minor and nobody seemed to be bothered by it so I decided that
>>> battle wasn't one worth fighting.
>>>
>>> However, I do not agree with a person trying to take my cane no matter
>>> the situation. I would object to this and would not let it happen, but
>>> I would try as hard as I could to state my points and objections as
>>> politely as possible and try very hard not to cause a huge sceen.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion.
>>>
>>> Kerri
>>>
>>> On 4/19/10, Candice Chapman <warren.mercy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the
>>>> test.
>>>> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we
>>>> got
>>>> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She 
>>>> insisted
>>>> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with
>>>> mine
>>>> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight
>>>> cane
>>>> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal
>>>> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on
>>>> my
>>>> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was
>>>> finally
>>>> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder
>>>> if
>>>> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to
>>>> mind
>>>> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in 
>>>> The
>>>> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw
>>>> the
>>>> Nickel."
>>>>
>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more
>>>> delicately?
>>>> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which 
>>>> you
>>>> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a 
>>>> situation
>>>> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than
>>>> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg
>>>> NFB
>>>> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the 
>>>> above
>>>> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the
>>>> importance
>>>> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Candice Chapman
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience.
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your
>>>> inbox.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:57:01 -0400
>>> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question
>>> Message-ID: <F78C6DEB23CB4DE9892EEEC19FA7CED0 at D9P3ZND1>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Candice: what a great thought provoking article and question.
>>> In my opinion, being confrontational isn't always productive. I've dealt
>>> with overly-helpful flight attendants' a few times who wanted to stow my
>>> cane somewhere else rather than let me put it along the window.
>>> Once I did allow my cane to be placed in a nearby closet and had no
>>> problem
>>> having it returned if I needed to use it, but I generally try to calmly
>>> explain that my cane will not be a bother to the other passengers and 
>>> the
>>> importance of having it close by.
>>> I look forward to reading other responses.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Candice Chapman" <warren.mercy at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:34 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>
>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the
>>> test.
>>> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we 
>>> got
>>> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted
>>> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with 
>>> mine
>>> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight
>>> cane
>>> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal
>>> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on 
>>> my
>>> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was
>>> finally
>>> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder 
>>> if
>>> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to 
>>> mind
>>> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in 
>>> The
>>> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw 
>>> the
>>> Nickel."
>>>
>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more
>>> delicately?
>>> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you
>>> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a 
>>> situation
>>> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than
>>> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg
>>> NFB
>>> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the 
>>> above
>>> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the 
>>> importance
>>> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Candice Chapman
>>>
>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience.
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your 
>>> inbox.
>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:32:04 -0500
>>> From: Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question
>>> Message-ID: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the 
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take
>>> our mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also
>>> sets a bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in
>>> the future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional
>>> tone when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to
>>> insist that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the
>>> why's of a certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your
>>> friend should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she
>>> could've handled it in a calmer way.
>>>
>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think 
>>> than
>>>
>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept 
>>> the
>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the
>>> airplane rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm 
>>> and
>>>
>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about
>>> change.
>>>
>>> Just my 10 cents.
>>>
>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>
>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the
>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane 
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She
>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a 
>>>> problem
>>>>
>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the
>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud,
>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and
>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time
>>>> constraint, my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her 
>>>> cane.
>>>>
>>>> However I can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to
>>>> handle the situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth
>>>> Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, 
>>>> The
>>>> Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel."
>>>>
>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more
>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations
>>>> in which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can
>>>> make a situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted
>>>> person, rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the
>>>> art of negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential
>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of 
>>>> your
>>>>
>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Candice Chapman
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience.
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your
>>>> inbox.
>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3<Don't
>>>>
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:53:43 -0600
>>> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software
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>>> There are several solutions available actually. What you should do
>>> precisely depends on your exact needs. If you could answer a couple
>>> questions I could probably recommend something.
>>>
>>> 1. Are you looking for a hosted solution or do you have control over the
>>> web server where your site is located?
>>>
>>> 2. What functions are you looking for precisely? Are you just looking
>>> for forums, or do you want a content management system that also happens
>>> to have forum functionality?
>>>
>>> 3. Do you have a particular platform said software needs to work with?
>>> Windows or Linux, Python or PHP, etc?
>>> - --
>>> Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]?
>>> Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:32:34 -0700
>>> From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question
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>>> Hello all,
>>>  My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by
>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible.
>>> While  this is easier said than done,  I think it's worth taking  a
>>> second (if possible depending on the situation)  and  try to  look at
>>> what you need or  would like to get out of the situation you are in.
>>>  I find it difficult to balance the  short-term solution and
>>> long-term results of that  dicision made (example:if someone takes
>>> one's cane on an airplane or  even in a differennt situation such as
>>> somebody insisting  in helping  you across the street).
>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the
>>> good of other blind people, or for my  own good? Should I  take my
>>> long cane  because  it somehow  better models  my comfort in blindness
>>> to other people?    or should I take a telescoping cane because it's
>>> easier to carry  and it  still conforms to  what is  an NFB cane?  Or,
>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's  less likely  to
>>> get broken of someone steps on it while  traveling?   The question
>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of
>>> blindness"?  In much the same way that people tend to  look for the
>>> ideal image of  gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal  for the
>>> blind?
>>>   if so, is that what we all  must conform to?   or is there a such a
>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the
>>> Federation community/family?
>>>  Best,
>>>  Darian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the
>>>> situation.
>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take
>>>> our
>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets 
>>>> a
>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the
>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional 
>>>> tone
>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to 
>>>> insist
>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's
>>>> of a
>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend
>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she
>>>> could've
>>>> handled it in a calmer way.
>>>>
>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think
>>>> than
>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept 
>>>> the
>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the
>>>> airplane
>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and
>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about
>>>> change.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 10 cents.
>>>>
>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear NABS members,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the
>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane
>>>>> and
>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She
>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a
>>>>> problem
>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing 
>>>>> the
>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud,
>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic 
>>>>> and
>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time
>>>>> constraint,
>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However 
>>>>> I
>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the
>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, 
>>>>> perhaps
>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The
>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel."
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more
>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many 
>>>>> situations
>>>>> in
>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can 
>>>>> make
>>>>> a
>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person,
>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of
>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential
>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of
>>>>> your
>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Candice Chapman
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience.
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>>> --
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