[nabs-l] Desktop Texting Applications

Wed Aug 11 00:16:44 UTC 2010

Hello Mary and everyone,

    Again this ignores the fact that some of us have hearing impairments 
severe enough to make audio CAPTCHAS of any kind unusable. Future 
improvements to solving CAPTCHAs need to be tactile as well as audio to 
enable deaf-blind individuals to use these Web sites. In this context I 
include those with a hearing loss of any degree.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Desktop Texting Applications

Hello Peter,
I see your point. However, because of our work, the captchas are no
longer the garbled mess they  used to be. Captchas now, if you had
taken the time to listen, are short clipse  of movie dialogues and or
books. they are human voices, further more, you only have o to
recognize a few words and type those in. No one has said that if we do
not win this contest we will not host YouthSlam in 2011. The program
will take place rgardless. However, winning the Pepsi contest will not
only provide  funds that will make the program bigger and allow more
students to go, but it will also give us wider recognition. This is a
national contest, and having enough people across the country realize
how important it is to open the fields of science and mathematics to
blind youth, will further our cause and even resolve problems such as
captchas. Sometimes you have to choose your battles. Web accessibility
is and will continue to be at the forefront of our efforts, but
educating blind youth, giving students the empowerment and toools to
pursue their dreams, will benefit all blind people in the long run.
With that said, you do not have to vote. If you feel so strongly that
this is somehow betraying what you thinkk the federation should do,
and ofends you as a federationist, then don't. After all, in the
federation we don't always agree as a whole, so we will respect your
opinion.
Thank you.
Mary F

On 8/10/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
> Great. I'll be looking for your check for $250,000. Until that comes, I 
> hope
> you join the rest of us in voting for a worthy cause instead of just 
> sitting
> on your 20-foot tall horse and talking about how you would do it better.
> I'll be looking forward to your $250,000 fund raising idea. The more the
> better.
> There are CAPTCHA solutions for blind people, deaf-blind people, and
> practically anyone who wishes to vote. The tools are there. They just need
> to be utilized.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Desktop Texting Applications
>
>
>> Hello again everyone,
>>
>>    This whole business misses the point. We've taken a position that Web
>> sites should be accessible to all users including the blind. Yet when
>> money
>> is up for grabs we send our own members to Web sites that include these
>> very
>> components that pose accessibility issues for us. For the record I use 
>> Web
>> Vism and for the most part have had success. It's not the availability of
>> CAPTCHA solving services that is at issue but the underlying principle
>> that
>> we believe that Web sites and other Internet resources should be
>> blind-friendly. If we worked at hard enough we could have raised the
>> $250,000 ourselves or through other means where we can insure Web
>> accessibility. Were efforts made to work with Pepsi to develop a special
>> interface that would allow all voters to participate without having to
>> encounter that CAPTCHA? Sufficed to say we lost 62 votes due to the
>> failure
>> of our organization to provide a non-CAPTCHA way for all to vote via the
>> Pepsi Web Site.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Desktop Texting Applications
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I do believe that as a hearing impaired person, that using such as
>> Webvisum
>> would help with CAPTCHA. That is exactly what Webvisum is, to help solve
>> the
>> CAPTCHA.
>>
>> Someone previously stated this, it's the same answer for a deaf blind or
>> hearing impaired person.
>>
>> No more excuses not to vote!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:25 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Desktop Texting Applications
>>
>> Hello Shawn and everyone,
>>
>>    How is someone with a hearing impairment or who is deaf-blind able to
>> use an audio CAPTCHA? Those things are so garbled that I don't mess with
>> them. Darrell is right on with this one.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>> .
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Desktop Texting Applications
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> They have an audio CAPTCHA available. Sometimes it is beneficial to check
>> things out before complaining about them.
>>
>>
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