[nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!

Jedi loneblindjedi at samobile.net
Mon Aug 16 19:12:04 UTC 2010


Well, not being able to see might fundamentally alter the way the 
training is done. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Blind cane 
travel instructors are tained a little differently from sighted ones, 
but having that alternative training available has revoluationized the 
cane travel field. Just some thoughts.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Greetings all,

> I've just contacted the National Federation of the Blind headquarters, 
> and was put in touch with Charlie  Brown for the problem.  I gave him a 
> rundown of what i told you guys.

> Now, he asks to  see the email that the president and i shared. Going 
> to do that now, and see what he thinks. He watns to see if he  "can 
> push it a bit", given that i wish to start this program in the fall of 
> 2011.  Depending on what he thinks and what happens, i think, he will 
> put me in touchwith someone who can help a bit more.

> The only thing that kind of worried me was when his concern about, 
> wether being able to see would enterfeer with the fundalmental training 
> of the program, since programs are allowed to offer reasonable 
> accomidations, but don't necissarily have to alter their program for you.

> Wish me luck, and I will keep you posted.
> On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Justin Young wrote:

>> Val!

>> Great attitude to have!  Never give up on the dream!
>> Great luck and yes please keep us all informed.

>> Justin

>> On 8/15/10, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,

>>> Well, just to be clear, this school does not train guide dogs. ittrains
>>> trainers to train your everyday house dog pet.

>>> Because graduation doesn't qualify you as a professional dog trainer in some
>>> dog trainer organizations, i plan to take a 250 question test that will
>>> qualify me as  a professional dog trainer.  After that, I do plan on
>>> training various service dogs.

>>> You are right in that, even though it's not a guide dog training school, the
>>> school shoudl consider: what if a blind person gets a confrontational pet
>>> dog.  Because it's not a guide dog, this is more likely to happen since
>>> around 2 million people rescue dogs a year in ameria.

>>> I love reading what you all have to say, and tomorrow i plan to contact the
>>> national headquarters.  I will keep you all posted.

>>> Thank you all so much for your support in this.  Right now, my own family is
>>> hesitant to support me, which shouldn't be suprising but is nevertheless.
>>> It helps to have the support from the NFB.


>>> Keep the comments coming, if you have any, and inthe mean time i'll kep you
>>> guys posted.  Who knows, there may be someone who's thought about becoming a
>>> dog trainer out there but hasn't due to their blindness.On Aug 15, 2010, at
>>> 11:33 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote:

>>>> Hi Val and all,

>>>> I think it's pretty crazy that some of the worst discrimination we
>>>> face is from fields dedicated to improving the lives of blind people,
>>>> such as O&M teaching and guide dog training. The underlying attitude
>>>> is that blind people should be recipients of specialized services, but
>>>> cannot be the service providers. I think this battle is even more
>>>> important to fight because it is unacceptable in my mind that people
>>>> who train guide dogs for the blind feel the need to discriminate
>>>> against blind trainers. For that matter, how does this school expect
>>>> its blind students to defend themselves in situations where their dog
>>>> may be attacked by another animal that is "aggressive and
>>>> confrontational"?

>>>> Arielle

>>>> On 8/14/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Val,
>>>>> I really love your attitude.  I'm not going to make people like me for
>>>>> what I want to do for women, so I'm just going to go to school and
>>>>> becomea social worker for women in battered women's shelters.  So what
>>>>> if people say I can't stqand a cowering woman and a big violent guy?
>>>>> I'm tiny, really tiny, and I think short people have pretty big
>>>>> brains, mind you.  This goes to show that it's all about one's
>>>>> attitude.
>>>>> Beth

>>>>> On 8/14/10, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I also do not agree with cuting my losses to this school, simply bcause
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the aftermath, for a couple of reasons.

>>>>>> 1.  I've looked into other dog training schools, and this one seems to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> the best. it offers hands-on training over a lot of subjects related to
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> training as well as dog care such as neutrition, health problems in
>>>>>> breeds,
>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> 2.  If i asked a sighted person to find a carreer that they liked, then
>>>>>> find
>>>>>> a school that would help them achieve that job, then told them, "now
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> that school, and forget about it. find the second best.", they would
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> likely tell me to take a long walk off of a short peer.

>>>>>> Sighted people have professors that may not like them in universities,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that does not mean that they should switch classes.

>>>>>> Even after my schooling, i'm going to be faced with people who do not
>>>>>> approve of my job vhoice, and even more who will not allow me to train
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> dogs due to blindness. I might as well get used to it.

>>>>>> I am going into the school to gain the knowledge and foundation that i
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to become a successful dog trainer, and i'm not asking anyone to like me
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:

>>>>>>> Mark,

>>>>>>> I don't know that I completely agree with finding another school that
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> be more welcoming and allowing actions to speak for themselves.  It's a
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> thought if only because it will move along Valerie's career, but not
>>>>>>> fighting it simply because a victory might expose her to an awkward
>>>>>>> environment afterward is not good enough to let it go.  A few years ago
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> sued a Chinese bus carrier after they gave me a hard time about my
>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> on what became three consecutive occasions.  On the first two occasions
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> situation became a nuisance involving the police.  I fought it and
>>>>>>> successfully took my trips to and from New York from DC, but the
>>>>>>> traveling
>>>>>>> consisted of a lot of dirty looks and hateful muttering.  On the third
>>>>>>> attempt I was not even allowed to board the bus, but by then the case
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> already well on its way to federal court.  My point is that the current
>>>>>>> school will not learn from Valerie going away.  Finding another school
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> still pursuing action with the current campus is one option, but I hope
>>>>>>> something will become of this situation.  I do not know Valerie
>>>>>>> personally.
>>>>>>> I assume she meets all the other qualifications associated with
>>>>>>> enrollment
>>>>>>> and that the only reason enrollment is being denied is that she cannot
>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>> If so, it's an issue that needs to be rectified if for no other reason
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> that the opportunity needs to exist for future blind applicants.  I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know if my friendly little bus people would allow people to board their
>>>>>>> buses with service animals these days, but I know they'll at least
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> twice before saying "no."

>>>>>>> Best,

>>>>>>> Joe

>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing


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>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>>>> Email:
>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>> Website:
>>>> www.nabslink.org

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