[nabs-l] update on dog training career. need help!

Jedi loneblindjedi at samobile.net
Mon Aug 16 19:15:30 UTC 2010


Ug. My brain! Sorry for all those typos folks. Bottom line is that the 
training itself may be fundamentally altered when a blind person gets 
involved, but that's not inherently bad and may benefit sighted students.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Well, not being able to see might fundamentally alter the way the
> training is done. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Blind cane
> travel instructors are tained a little differently from sighted ones,
> but having that alternative training available has revoluationized the
> cane travel field. Just some thoughts.

> Respectfully,
> Jedi

> Original message:
>> Greetings all,

>> I've just contacted the National Federation of the Blind headquarters,
>> and was put in touch with Charlie  Brown for the problem.  I gave him a
>> rundown of what i told you guys.

>> Now, he asks to  see the email that the president and i shared. Going
>> to do that now, and see what he thinks. He watns to see if he  "can
>> push it a bit", given that i wish to start this program in the fall of
>> 2011.  Depending on what he thinks and what happens, i think, he will
>> put me in touchwith someone who can help a bit more.

>> The only thing that kind of worried me was when his concern about,
>> wether being able to see would enterfeer with the fundalmental training
>> of the program, since programs are allowed to offer reasonable
>> accomidations, but don't necissarily have to alter their program for you.

>> Wish me luck, and I will keep you posted.
>> On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Justin Young wrote:

>>> Val!

>>> Great attitude to have!  Never give up on the dream!
>>> Great luck and yes please keep us all informed.

>>> Justin

>>> On 8/15/10, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,

>>>> Well, just to be clear, this school does not train guide dogs. ittrains
>>>> trainers to train your everyday house dog pet.

>>>> Because graduation doesn't qualify you as a professional dog trainer in some
>>>> dog trainer organizations, i plan to take a 250 question test that will
>>>> qualify me as  a professional dog trainer.  After that, I do plan on
>>>> training various service dogs.

>>>> You are right in that, even though it's not a guide dog training school, the
>>>> school shoudl consider: what if a blind person gets a confrontational pet
>>>> dog.  Because it's not a guide dog, this is more likely to happen since
>>>> around 2 million people rescue dogs a year in ameria.

>>>> I love reading what you all have to say, and tomorrow i plan to contact the
>>>> national headquarters.  I will keep you all posted.

>>>> Thank you all so much for your support in this.  Right now, my own family is
>>>> hesitant to support me, which shouldn't be suprising but is nevertheless.
>>>> It helps to have the support from the NFB.


>>>> Keep the comments coming, if you have any, and inthe mean time i'll kep you
>>>> guys posted.  Who knows, there may be someone who's thought about becoming a
>>>> dog trainer out there but hasn't due to their blindness.On Aug 15, 2010, at
>>>> 11:33 AM, Arielle Silverman wrote:

>>>>> Hi Val and all,

>>>>> I think it's pretty crazy that some of the worst discrimination we
>>>>> face is from fields dedicated to improving the lives of blind people,
>>>>> such as O&M teaching and guide dog training. The underlying attitude
>>>>> is that blind people should be recipients of specialized services, but
>>>>> cannot be the service providers. I think this battle is even more
>>>>> important to fight because it is unacceptable in my mind that people
>>>>> who train guide dogs for the blind feel the need to discriminate
>>>>> against blind trainers. For that matter, how does this school expect
>>>>> its blind students to defend themselves in situations where their dog
>>>>> may be attacked by another animal that is "aggressive and
>>>>> confrontational"?

>>>>> Arielle

>>>>> On 8/14/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Val,
>>>>>> I really love your attitude.  I'm not going to make people like me for
>>>>>> what I want to do for women, so I'm just going to go to school and
>>>>>> becomea social worker for women in battered women's shelters.  So what
>>>>>> if people say I can't stqand a cowering woman and a big violent guy?
>>>>>> I'm tiny, really tiny, and I think short people have pretty big
>>>>>> brains, mind you.  This goes to show that it's all about one's
>>>>>> attitude.
>>>>>> Beth

>>>>>> On 8/14/10, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I also do not agree with cuting my losses to this school, simply bcause
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the aftermath, for a couple of reasons.

>>>>>>> 1.  I've looked into other dog training schools, and this one seems to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> the best. it offers hands-on training over a lot of subjects related to
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> training as well as dog care such as neutrition, health problems in
>>>>>>> breeds,
>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> 2.  If i asked a sighted person to find a carreer that they liked, then
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> a school that would help them achieve that job, then told them, "now
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> that school, and forget about it. find the second best.", they would
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> likely tell me to take a long walk off of a short peer.

>>>>>>> Sighted people have professors that may not like them in universities,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> that does not mean that they should switch classes.

>>>>>>> Even after my schooling, i'm going to be faced with people who do not
>>>>>>> approve of my job vhoice, and even more who will not allow me to train
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> dogs due to blindness. I might as well get used to it.

>>>>>>> I am going into the school to gain the knowledge and foundation that i
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to become a successful dog trainer, and i'm not asking anyone to like me
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:

>>>>>>>> Mark,

>>>>>>>> I don't know that I completely agree with finding another school that
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> be more welcoming and allowing actions to speak for themselves.  It's a
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> thought if only because it will move along Valerie's career, but not
>>>>>>>> fighting it simply because a victory might expose her to an awkward
>>>>>>>> environment afterward is not good enough to let it go.  A few years ago
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> sued a Chinese bus carrier after they gave me a hard time about my
>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> on what became three consecutive occasions.  On the first two occasions
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> situation became a nuisance involving the police.  I fought it and
>>>>>>>> successfully took my trips to and from New York from DC, but the
>>>>>>>> traveling
>>>>>>>> consisted of a lot of dirty looks and hateful muttering.  On the third
>>>>>>>> attempt I was not even allowed to board the bus, but by then the case
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> already well on its way to federal court.  My point is that the current
>>>>>>>> school will not learn from Valerie going away.  Finding another school
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> still pursuing action with the current campus is one option, but I hope
>>>>>>>> something will become of this situation.  I do not know Valerie
>>>>>>>> personally.
>>>>>>>> I assume she meets all the other qualifications associated with
>>>>>>>> enrollment
>>>>>>>> and that the only reason enrollment is being denied is that she cannot
>>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>>> If so, it's an issue that needs to be rectified if for no other reason
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> that the opportunity needs to exist for future blind applicants.  I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> know if my friendly little bus people would allow people to board their
>>>>>>>> buses with service animals these days, but I know they'll at least
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> twice before saying "no."

>>>>>>>> Best,

>>>>>>>> Joe

>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing


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>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>>>>> Email:
>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>> Website:
>>>>> www.nabslink.org

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