[nabs-l] Blind man sues Wienerschnitzel over run-in with tree

Tue Aug 17 02:18:26 UTC 2010

Robert,
Thank you.  In essence, that is what my response, I'll be it a little harsh was trying to stress the other day.

--- On Mon, 8/16/10, Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind man sues Wienerschnitzel over run-in with tree
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 5:04 PM
> The problem with this view is that we
> as blind people are labeled as
> walking lawsuits.  My ability to get a job has been
> severely limited
> by such laws as the ADA which, FORCE, companies to
> comply.  who would
> want to hire someone who has a larger chance of potentially
> sueing
> them?  I sure wouldn't.  I would wish to hire the
> person who is going
> to cost my business less and will allow me to operate much
> more
> efficiently.  that being said, I am able to walk into
> any business
> with all of the equipment that I will need to conduct the
> job without
> asking the company to buy it for me.  the utilization
> of force never
> works; it will cause companies to look for ways around
> hiring us.
> 
> On 8/15/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> wrote:
> > I'm not Ashley, but I can tell you what echolation
> is.
> >
> > Just like light, sound bounces off of, or is absorbed
> by, objects and
> > then bounces back into our ears. Echolocation takes
> advantage of this
> > in the same way sight does. The main difference is
> that, for the most
> > part, there is an outside light source apart from the
> seer. In this
> > case, the listener generally produces the sound that
> will bounce off of
> > objects. Cane taps are usually sufficient. The quality
> of the sound
> > tells the listener if it has been absorbed or bounced
> back and to what
> > extent. Those who get good at it can even tell the
> shapes of the
> > objects they listen to, where they are exactly
> located, and how far
> > away they are. A listener can also gain this kind of
> information by
> > using outside sound sources and listening to how those
> sounds bounce
> > off of the objects they're close to.
> >
> > The average echolocation user can generally tell where
> trees and bushes
> > are, people, large buildings, glass windows and doors,
> metalic objects
> > like cars, curbs, and other very noticeable things
> like that. Some of
> > us can tell smaller objects such as street poles,
> planters, and other
> > things of the sort. Echolocation takes practice. I had
> to study it in
> > Louisiana (I studied under Roland Allen, who is quite
> adept at
> > echolocation). I would love to study under Dan Kish,
> the king of
> > echolocation, however.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Jedi
> >
> > Original message:
> >> Hello Ashley,
> >> What is echolocation?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dennis
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 3:13 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind man sues
> Wienerschnitzel over run-in with tree
> >
> >
> >>> Hi Anmol and all,
> >>> No don't place your hand in front at all
> times, but yes I think its
> >>> reasonable to place an arm up or something to
> protect you when you are
> >>> coming to an obstacle like a branch.  You
> can perceive this through
> >>> echolocation or if its familiar you remember
> the overhanging obstacle.
> >
> >>> Ashley
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Anmol Bhatia" <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:29 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind man sues
> Wienerschnitzel over run-in with
> >>> tree
> >
> >
> >>>> Good points Sean!
> >>>> To who ever said to keep your hand in
> frunt to prevent the branch from
> >>>> hitting you, we do not when a tree is in
> frunt and the branches are
> >>>> hanging out so does this mean we should
> walk around with our hand in
> >>>> frunt at all times?
> >>>> Anmol
> >
> >
> >>>> --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Sean Whalen <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> From: Sean Whalen <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind man sues
> Wienerschnitzel over run-in with
> >>>>> tree
> >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 4:22
> PM
> >>>>> Thank you Dennis!
> >
> >>>>> You said everything I wanted to say,
> and then some.
> >
> >>>>> If the man was injured and incurred
> costs from the injury,
> >>>>> he has a case. A
> >>>>> sighted person could sue in the
> circumstances described
> >>>>> where the branch is
> >>>>> not illuminated at night. The limb
> causing injury is
> >>>>> foreseeable, and
> >>>>> somebody was negligent.
> >
> >>>>> A few other thoughts brought up by the
> discussion so far:
> >
> >>>>> The idea that I should always have my
> hand in front of my
> >>>>> face is
> >>>>> ridiculous. If it works for you, I'm
> not knocking it, but
> >>>>> it certainly isn't
> >>>>> a requirement of safe travel.
> >
> >>>>> Walking at a somewhat reduced pace in
> unfamiliar areas
> >>>>> seems reasonable. I
> >>>>> do it, and I don't think that
> exercising some caution
> >>>>> indicates that I have
> >>>>> subpar travel skills. Once you are
> familiar with an area,
> >>>>> it is certainly
> >>>>> easier to navigate it more quickly.
> >
> >>>>> Kirt is right in that this maybe
> shouldn't be news, but
> >>>>> neither should a
> >>>>> blind person graduating from a
> university, and I see that
> >>>>> kind of thing
> >>>>> written up frequently. Blindness is
> different, and makes a
> >>>>> story more
> >>>>> interesting to the general public. Not
> saying I like it,
> >>>>> just saying it's
> >>>>> so.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>>
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> The University of Toledo
> Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair,
> College of
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