[nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs

Tue Jan 5 17:41:29 UTC 2010

You have the right to take any pose that you wish and, of course, to
face the consequences that come with that pose.  However, I would
recommend you to change it for your own good.  Your first step should
be to place a higher value on your cane.  You just never know when you
will be left alone (it could happen) and without a cane will make it
pure hell.  but take it one thing at a time.

On 1/4/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have usually had more sighted friends than blind ones as well, but  using
> a cane or using braille doesn't make you different or awkward. I'm not
> saying dance with your cane or anything like that, or that letting people
> help you sometimes is wrong, because it isn't. But having a set of
> alternative skills is what makes you independent, (please don't take this as
> me saying you aren't, I'm just speaking in general terms). Being able to do
> things on  your own without help though is what integrates us as blind
> people into a sighted world. On Jan 4, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Teal Bloodworth
> wrote:
>
>> yeah i dont trust myself to go out in that environment without a group of
>> friends. Taking my side kick guide dog is not realistic because of the
>> crowded and loud room and i would misplace a white cane so i would latch
>> on to some friends and go out. I wasnt looked at as depending on them and
>> being socially awkward. Living in a smaller college campus with all the
>> other colleges being small too you see  alot of the same people and most
>> of them have had a class with me which allowed for small talk or even them
>> approaching me to begin with.
>>
>> If i were getting someones phone number either as a friend or an intimate
>> interest i would either have them call me and leave a message  then i
>> would hand them the phone and have them put it in there and tell me the
>> speed dial number. Or just hand it to them and have them do that. I am not
>> braille literate because i dont like braille and it doesnt like me. I
>> wouldnt want to take an expensive device with me in case i sat it down and
>> forgetfully leave it. Yes my pose may seem foolish to you all and maybe
>> this undignifys me by making it seem like i depend on people who are
>> sighted but i used to be one of them. I treat them like they treat me and
>> i have more sighted friends than blind or visually impaired because where
>> i live i am the only blind person. This is in my home town and at my small
>> private college. Maybe i just have really good friends who packed me home
>> on a night where i had too much and had to learn the hard way. who always
>> returned my personal posessions and wouldnt pity me for being blind but
>> rather expected for me to act no different.
>>
>>       -Teal
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Nork" <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>
>>
>>> Hello list, As I read this great thread, I wonder, as a woman, what the
>>> thinking is about going out to clubs and bars alone, with just a cane and
>>> cell phone?  I have never tried this, but I would like to venture out
>>> alone, maybe you could share your experiences and ideas?  Most of my
>>> friends I do hang out with are not into clubs, so this would be a solo
>>> outing for me. Thanks , Ginny
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" <brileyp at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Depending exclusively on a sighted guide is of course not wise. Having
>>>> no other mobility aid available is  foolish. However, using sighted
>>>> guide in addition to another mobility aid is useful at times such as in
>>>> loud and crowded environments such as night clubs. I'm not saying hang
>>>> on to your friends all night, (that is obviously awkward and defeats the
>>>> purpose of going tout to have fun), but it still can be helpful. Even
>>>> when I'm with blind friends, often someone might hold my arm while using
>>>> their cane just to insure we stay together in crowded environments. My
>>>> point is it shouldn't be disregarded as a viable tool in addition to
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> BrileyOn Jan 3, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jedi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And that's why one should avoid depending  on a sighted guide if at all
>>>>> possible so that their decisions don't have to affect yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Jedi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> hmm no i wouldnt take my guide dog since music would be loud and there
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> just be too  much activity but i never really take a cane either. I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> the first time i went to a bar since my vision loss or a  club yes i
>>>>>> had my
>>>>>> cell and my cane but after the first time i left it and went with
>>>>>> friends
>>>>>> sighted guide.
>>>>>
>>>>>> here is another question alittle off topic. What if you went sighted
>>>>>> guide
>>>>>> and your guide ended up drinking. do you drink too? what if you wanted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> drink, would you do it in a nightblub or bar or even alittle further
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> public?
>>>>>
>>>>>>           -Teal
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Brice Smith" <brice.smith319 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:16 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know this is slightly off topic from the original question and
>>>>>>> others might have different opinions on this, but a club or bar is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> last environment I'd feel comfortable losing any type of independence
>>>>>>> whatsoever. What happens if you find yourself separated from your
>>>>>>> friends? As a guy I never go out at night without my cane, cell
>>>>>>> phone,
>>>>>>> and some extra cash ... and for good reason women usually worry over
>>>>>>> this more than guys do. Buy an identification cane or one of the new
>>>>>>> ambutech telescoping canes if you need something light -- anything to
>>>>>>> keep yourself feeling and looking independent if something unexpected
>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> To add to the original question, ditch the notetaker or anything
>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>> that unnecessarily weighs you down. Except for my cane, I never carry
>>>>>>> anything that can't fit into my pocket. Doing otherwise is asking for
>>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brice
>>>>>>> On 1/1/10, Adrianne Dempsey <adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think taking a note taker to the club is a bad idea.  I don't even
>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>> my purse because it is just something to carry around.  You don't
>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>> set it down somewhere, and you would just look silly dancing with
>>>>>>>> it. In
>>>>>>>> fact I don't even bring my cane because I don't know what to do with
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the dance floor.  I usually go with a friend and just go sighted
>>>>>>>> guide.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> hate loosing a bit of independence but what ells can you do.  If I
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> other blind friends then I usually bring my cane but I always feel
>>>>>>>> silly
>>>>>>>> with it at the club.  As far as phone numbers...  I think having
>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>> ells program it in to your phone is fine if you can not do it
>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> my phone is not very accessible and I can do it.  I just  hit o.k.
>>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>> brings up a menu the first thing on the menu is add contact.  I hit
>>>>>>>> O.K.
>>>>>>>> again, and then you can type in the number then down arrow and type
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> name. Then hit o.k. again and their it is.  Another option is to
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> bizness card with your info, so you can give the new person your
>>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>> This is probably not so necessary as pretty much every one has cell
>>>>>>>> phones
>>>>>>>> now but it is a thought.  The slate and stylist is a good idea to if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> get a hold of one of those ninny slates.  But you have to be careful
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> this option, because you could get stabbed with the stylist if you
>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>> funny or if your pants are tight.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:24 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmmmm. Interesting subject.  I would've taken the notetaker just
>>>>>>>>> because I'm pretty touchy feely about my information.  The numbers
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> not programmable by a blind person in my cell phone, so a note
>>>>>>>>> taker
>>>>>>>>> is a good option.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/10, Kevin Wassmer <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello folks. It's been a long time sense I have bought up a
>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> here. First of all, I will say I am doing fine. I have a job at
>>>>>>>>>> Verizon
>>>>>>>>>> Wireless working at a call center. It is challenging. How it is
>>>>>>>>>> rewarding. I
>>>>>>>>>> am glad to finely get off of social security soon. Or as I call it
>>>>>>>>>> socialist
>>>>>>>>>> insecurity. But that's another story.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               I want to bring up a topic. I use to go to night
>>>>>>>>>> clubs
>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> in the day. I did not want to bring my Braille Note with me
>>>>>>>>>> because the
>>>>>>>>>> thought back then of bringing my note taker sounded strange. But I
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> always have a problem if I met someone and wanted to get their
>>>>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> was because the music was so loud that it was hard to communicate.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> have people program numbers in to my cell phone at nosy places
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>> question to you all is this. Being blind, would you have taken
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> note
>>>>>>>>>> taker to the night club? The more I think about it, the more I
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> Slate and Styles would have been a great option for some like the
>>>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>>> club
>>>>>>>>>> sidereal. What would you have done?
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