[nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs

Tue Jan 5 20:08:25 UTC 2010

Sometimes people need to learn from experience. Which is why I find
this list and others most helpful, if I don't know what to do I can
get others' oppinions, but it all comes down to me still having to
make the decision of what I think is best for me. Therefore, anyone's
position is valued and respected, even if not agreed with.
Aziza

On 1/5/10, Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have the right to take any pose that you wish and, of course, to
> face the consequences that come with that pose.  However, I would
> recommend you to change it for your own good.  Your first step should
> be to place a higher value on your cane.  You just never know when you
> will be left alone (it could happen) and without a cane will make it
> pure hell.  but take it one thing at a time.
>
> On 1/4/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have usually had more sighted friends than blind ones as well, but
>> using
>> a cane or using braille doesn't make you different or awkward. I'm not
>> saying dance with your cane or anything like that, or that letting people
>> help you sometimes is wrong, because it isn't. But having a set of
>> alternative skills is what makes you independent, (please don't take this
>> as
>> me saying you aren't, I'm just speaking in general terms). Being able to
>> do
>> things on  your own without help though is what integrates us as blind
>> people into a sighted world. On Jan 4, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Teal Bloodworth
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yeah i dont trust myself to go out in that environment without a group of
>>> friends. Taking my side kick guide dog is not realistic because of the
>>> crowded and loud room and i would misplace a white cane so i would latch
>>> on to some friends and go out. I wasnt looked at as depending on them and
>>> being socially awkward. Living in a smaller college campus with all the
>>> other colleges being small too you see  alot of the same people and most
>>> of them have had a class with me which allowed for small talk or even
>>> them
>>> approaching me to begin with.
>>>
>>> If i were getting someones phone number either as a friend or an intimate
>>> interest i would either have them call me and leave a message  then i
>>> would hand them the phone and have them put it in there and tell me the
>>> speed dial number. Or just hand it to them and have them do that. I am
>>> not
>>> braille literate because i dont like braille and it doesnt like me. I
>>> wouldnt want to take an expensive device with me in case i sat it down
>>> and
>>> forgetfully leave it. Yes my pose may seem foolish to you all and maybe
>>> this undignifys me by making it seem like i depend on people who are
>>> sighted but i used to be one of them. I treat them like they treat me and
>>> i have more sighted friends than blind or visually impaired because where
>>> i live i am the only blind person. This is in my home town and at my
>>> small
>>> private college. Maybe i just have really good friends who packed me home
>>> on a night where i had too much and had to learn the hard way. who always
>>> returned my personal posessions and wouldnt pity me for being blind but
>>> rather expected for me to act no different.
>>>
>>>       -Teal
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Nork" <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 10:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello list, As I read this great thread, I wonder, as a woman, what the
>>>> thinking is about going out to clubs and bars alone, with just a cane
>>>> and
>>>> cell phone?  I have never tried this, but I would like to venture out
>>>> alone, maybe you could share your experiences and ideas?  Most of my
>>>> friends I do hang out with are not into clubs, so this would be a solo
>>>> outing for me. Thanks , Ginny
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" <brileyp at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Depending exclusively on a sighted guide is of course not wise. Having
>>>>> no other mobility aid available is  foolish. However, using sighted
>>>>> guide in addition to another mobility aid is useful at times such as in
>>>>> loud and crowded environments such as night clubs. I'm not saying hang
>>>>> on to your friends all night, (that is obviously awkward and defeats
>>>>> the
>>>>> purpose of going tout to have fun), but it still can be helpful. Even
>>>>> when I'm with blind friends, often someone might hold my arm while
>>>>> using
>>>>> their cane just to insure we stay together in crowded environments. My
>>>>> point is it shouldn't be disregarded as a viable tool in addition to
>>>>> others.
>>>>>
>>>>> BrileyOn Jan 3, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jedi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's why one should avoid depending  on a sighted guide if at
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> possible so that their decisions don't have to affect yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Jedi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> hmm no i wouldnt take my guide dog since music would be loud and
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> just be too  much activity but i never really take a cane either. I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> the first time i went to a bar since my vision loss or a  club yes i
>>>>>>> had my
>>>>>>> cell and my cane but after the first time i left it and went with
>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>> sighted guide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here is another question alittle off topic. What if you went sighted
>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>> and your guide ended up drinking. do you drink too? what if you
>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> drink, would you do it in a nightblub or bar or even alittle further
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> public?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           -Teal
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Brice Smith" <brice.smith319 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:16 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know this is slightly off topic from the original question and
>>>>>>>> others might have different opinions on this, but a club or bar is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> last environment I'd feel comfortable losing any type of
>>>>>>>> independence
>>>>>>>> whatsoever. What happens if you find yourself separated from your
>>>>>>>> friends? As a guy I never go out at night without my cane, cell
>>>>>>>> phone,
>>>>>>>> and some extra cash ... and for good reason women usually worry over
>>>>>>>> this more than guys do. Buy an identification cane or one of the new
>>>>>>>> ambutech telescoping canes if you need something light -- anything
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> keep yourself feeling and looking independent if something
>>>>>>>> unexpected
>>>>>>>> happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To add to the original question, ditch the notetaker or anything
>>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>> that unnecessarily weighs you down. Except for my cane, I never
>>>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>> anything that can't fit into my pocket. Doing otherwise is asking
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brice
>>>>>>>> On 1/1/10, Adrianne Dempsey <adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think taking a note taker to the club is a bad idea.  I don't
>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>> my purse because it is just something to carry around.  You don't
>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>> set it down somewhere, and you would just look silly dancing with
>>>>>>>>> it. In
>>>>>>>>> fact I don't even bring my cane because I don't know what to do
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the dance floor.  I usually go with a friend and just go sighted
>>>>>>>>> guide.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> hate loosing a bit of independence but what ells can you do.  If I
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> other blind friends then I usually bring my cane but I always feel
>>>>>>>>> silly
>>>>>>>>> with it at the club.  As far as phone numbers...  I think having
>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>> ells program it in to your phone is fine if you can not do it
>>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>> my phone is not very accessible and I can do it.  I just  hit o.k.
>>>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>>> brings up a menu the first thing on the menu is add contact.  I hit
>>>>>>>>> O.K.
>>>>>>>>> again, and then you can type in the number then down arrow and type
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> name. Then hit o.k. again and their it is.  Another option is to
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> bizness card with your info, so you can give the new person your
>>>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>>> This is probably not so necessary as pretty much every one has cell
>>>>>>>>> phones
>>>>>>>>> now but it is a thought.  The slate and stylist is a good idea to
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> get a hold of one of those ninny slates.  But you have to be
>>>>>>>>> careful
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> this option, because you could get stabbed with the stylist if you
>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>> funny or if your pants are tight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 4:24 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] phone numbers at night clubs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmmmm. Interesting subject.  I would've taken the notetaker just
>>>>>>>>>> because I'm pretty touchy feely about my information.  The numbers
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> not programmable by a blind person in my cell phone, so a note
>>>>>>>>>> taker
>>>>>>>>>> is a good option.
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/10, Kevin Wassmer <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello folks. It's been a long time sense I have bought up a
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> here. First of all, I will say I am doing fine. I have a job at
>>>>>>>>>>> Verizon
>>>>>>>>>>> Wireless working at a call center. It is challenging. How it is
>>>>>>>>>>> rewarding. I
>>>>>>>>>>> am glad to finely get off of social security soon. Or as I call
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> socialist
>>>>>>>>>>> insecurity. But that's another story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>               I want to bring up a topic. I use to go to night
>>>>>>>>>>> clubs
>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>> in the day. I did not want to bring my Braille Note with me
>>>>>>>>>>> because the
>>>>>>>>>>> thought back then of bringing my note taker sounded strange. But
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> always have a problem if I met someone and wanted to get their
>>>>>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> was because the music was so loud that it was hard to
>>>>>>>>>>> communicate.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> have people program numbers in to my cell phone at nosy places
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>> question to you all is this. Being blind, would you have taken
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> note
>>>>>>>>>>> taker to the night club? The more I think about it, the more I
>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> Slate and Styles would have been a great option for some like the
>>>>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>>>> club
>>>>>>>>>>> sidereal. What would you have done?
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