[nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment
Briley Pollard
brileyp at gmail.com
Sun Jul 25 00:37:50 UTC 2010
If you will be most successful with a notetaker and lap-top, they will get you both. It won't be difficult to justify. Stick to your guns. You'll get what you need.
Briley
On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Jewel S. wrote:
> DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop
> with a refreshable Braille display, but not both.
>
> ~Jewel
>
> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jewel,
>>
>> I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker,
>> and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with
>> it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's
>> Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party
>> applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to
>> college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had
>> Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling
>> textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive.
>>
>> Best of luck!
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 7/24/10, Jewel S. <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker
>>> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable
>>> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a
>>> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a
>>> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with
>>> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed
>>> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker
>>> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it
>>> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern
>>> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and
>>> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my
>>> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think,
>>> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of
>>> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor
>>> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at
>>> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud).
>>>
>>> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's
>>> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend.
>>>
>>> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things
>>> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I
>>> need for school.
>>>
>>> ~Jewel
>>>
>>> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that
>>>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get
>>>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker
>>>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I
>>>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display
>>>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a
>>>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment
>>>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille
>>>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you
>>>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille,
>>>> as I do.
>>>>
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can
>>>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's
>>>>>> responsibilities
>>>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Briley
>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille
>>>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a
>>>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by
>>>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me
>>>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least
>>>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv
>>>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm
>>>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think
>>>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more
>>>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile
>>>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today;
>>>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a
>>>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your
>>>>>>>> preferred
>>>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only
>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted
>>>>>>>> student
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc
>>>>>>>> Rehab
>>>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will
>>>>>>>> achieve
>>>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint
>>>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's
>>>>>>>> manager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>>>>>> Briley
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from
>>>>>>>>> students.
>>>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and
>>>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the
>>>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few
>>>>>>>>> ideas:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The
>>>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're
>>>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple
>>>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less
>>>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic.
>>>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If
>>>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore
>>>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no
>>>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to
>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it.
>>>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at
>>>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is
>>>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort,
>>>>>>>>> temporary option.
>>>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public
>>>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the
>>>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in
>>>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments.
>>>>>>>>> 4. Remember that
>>>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org
>>>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and
>>>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org
>>>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a
>>>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one).
>>>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap
>>>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service
>>>>>>>>> club,
>>>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is
>>>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or
>>>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for
>>>>>>>>> readers,
>>>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you
>>>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book
>>>>>>>>> player
>>>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I
>>>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public
>>>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public
>>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all
>>>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in
>>>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public
>>>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress.
>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> made.
>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am
>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested.
>>>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> context
>>>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later
>>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living
>>>>>>>>>> center
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf.
>>>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that
>>>>>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class.
>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>> regard
>>>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as
>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who
>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I
>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> scare
>>>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will
>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important
>>>>>>>>>> deadlines
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own
>>>>>>>>>> advocate
>>>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal
>>>>>>>>>>> year. This is
>>>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a
>>>>>>>>>>> little. If I were
>>>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my
>>>>>>>>>>> personal
>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director
>>>>>>>>>>> of that field
>>>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into
>>>>>>>>>>> her new position.
>>>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready
>>>>>>>>>>> for school. Put
>>>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say
>>>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail
>>>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk
>>>>>>>>>>> about what can
>>>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another
>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what
>>>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of
>>>>>>>>>>> your communications. In
>>>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to
>>>>>>>>>>> this point, but
>>>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and
>>>>>>>>>>> a good
>>>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need
>>>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why
>>>>>>>>>>> the products are
>>>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most
>>>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor
>>>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could
>>>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at
>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take
>>>>>>>>>>> notes in class.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology
>>>>>>>>>>> assessments. The
>>>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better,
>>>>>>>>>>> and even if they
>>>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your
>>>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the
>>>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an
>>>>>>>>>>> incentive to act.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she
>>>>>>>>>>> may know of someone
>>>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case.
>>>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should
>>>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able
>>>>>>>>>>> to step in and help
>>>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you
>>>>>>>>>>> can use one of the
>>>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for
>>>>>>>>>>> your other
>>>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you
>>>>>>>>>>> something for the first
>>>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club
>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to
>>>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush
>>>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later
>>>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will
>>>>>>>>>>> chime in as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
>>>>>>>>>>> their sleeves,
>>>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at
>>>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina.
>>>>>>>>>>> I begin
>>>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting
>>>>>>>>>>> some needed
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a
>>>>>>>>>>> refreshable
>>>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette
>>>>>>>>>>> embosser, a
>>>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury
>>>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my
>>>>>>>>>>> side to get
>>>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned
>>>>>>>>>>> recently to a
>>>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first
>>>>>>>>>>> position).
>>>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let
>>>>>>>>>>> alone how
>>>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for
>>>>>>>>>>> review of
>>>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an
>>>>>>>>>>> assessment
>>>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I
>>>>>>>>>>> asked him what
>>>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor
>>>>>>>>>>> should have set
>>>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time,
>>>>>>>>>>> he had
>>>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I
>>>>>>>>>>> needed to
>>>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the
>>>>>>>>>>> referral done, the
>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At
>>>>>>>>>>> first, they
>>>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then
>>>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take
>>>>>>>>>>> up to two
>>>>>>>>>>> months!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment I
>>>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than
>>>>>>>>>>> getting a
>>>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my
>>>>>>>>>>> slate and
>>>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate
>>>>>>>>>>> for a few
>>>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very
>>>>>>>>>>> badly, so I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have
>>>>>>>>>>> a voice
>>>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds
>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase
>>>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my
>>>>>>>>>>> equipment
>>>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to
>>>>>>>>>>> mean that
>>>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has
>>>>>>>>>>> suggested places
>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it
>>>>>>>>>>> also. When I
>>>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop
>>>>>>>>>>> promised me
>>>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the
>>>>>>>>>>> laptop I would
>>>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if
>>>>>>>>>>> it's used, how
>>>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for
>>>>>>>>>>> such a
>>>>>>>>>>> laptop?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor?
>>>>>>>>>>> SWhat should
>>>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly,
>>>>>>>>>>> who should I
>>>>>>>>>>> bring this up with?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a
>>>>>>>>>>> way to record
>>>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or
>>>>>>>>>>> complete
>>>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and
>>>>>>>>>>> will not be
>>>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might
>>>>>>>>>>> as well
>>>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From
>>>>>>>>>>> what DSB is
>>>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before
>>>>>>>>>>> I get any
>>>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a
>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes
>>>>>>>>>>> and wait
>>>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate
>>>>>>>>>>> appropriately
>>>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be
>>>>>>>>>>> drastically
>>>>>>>>>>> effected by this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping
>>>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College
>>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>>>>>>> Email:
>>>>>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> Website:
>>>>>>>>> www.nabslink.org
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>>>> --
>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>> Email:
>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>> Website:
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