[nabs-l] Blindness and Identity
Jedi
loneblindjedi at samobile.net
Fri Mar 26 19:14:29 UTC 2010
Briley and all:
It may be useful to define identity in this context. When I talk about
identity, I don't mean that blindness does or should become the major
influence in one's life. Instead, I mean to speak of identity in the
same context of other social justice movements and communication
situations where identity is a key player in a given context. How much
one identifieis with the blindness community is going to depend heavily
on a lot of things including what other identities a person has such as
being a woman, a person of color, gay, disabled in some other way,
Christian, the list goes on. A lot will also depend on life experiences
because some of those identities are highlighted for each of us
specifically in different ways. Does that make sense?
Respectfully,
Jedi
Original message:
> You present some interesting and valid points, Antonio. I've always
> been troubled by the fact that some blind people seem to grab onto
> that, and hold it as the most important aspect of their identity.
> Blindness is a part of who I am, and it is important, this I will never
> deny. I am also a woman, a sister, a musician, a daughter, etc. I am
> not ashamed of my blindness, but I live in a sighted world, and by
> cutting myself off from that, I would not only be doing myself a
> disservice, but the sighted world. Do I have blind friends? Of course I
> do. Do we share common frustrations due to our common trait? Yes. But I
> also have sighted friends, and I don't feel any less kinship with them
> because they can see and I can't.
> I am saddened by the fact that I have heard many of my blind peers say
> that they only have blind friends, and they wouldn't know how to go
> about starting relationships with sighted people. This would be like me
> as a Christian exclusively associating with only Christians. Is it nice
> to have friends who share my beliefs? Of course. But it is important to
> have people in my life with a different perspective.
> Is it sometimes difficult to integrate ourselves into a world where
> people may be uncomfortable with us? Yes. But that doesn't mean we
> should stop trying.
> Briley
> On Mar 26, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Antonio M. Guimaraes wrote:
>> Interesting points, Mark.
>> Some times the blind community identifies so much with being blind to
>> the point of doing most things and conducting much of their
>> interactions with other blind people. Some have mentioned during the
>> scholastic socialization discussion that their time is taken up mostly
>> with NFB business, and not much else.
>> While this is important work, the NFB and other blind people exist in a
>> bigger world context, and to exclude ourselves, our activities, and our
>> work from the world is to make blindness more than it needs to be.
>> That said, I am blind, and identify myself as such. Not doing so would
>> consist in denial. My blindness presents challenges, maybe yours
>> doesn't, and I am fighting almost daily to improve my access and
>> participation in the world I want to be a part of.
>> People notice my green eyes every day, but that characteristic does not
>> present challenges. I need to read some of the NFB philosophy articles
>> again to speak with more authority on them, but we some times take
>> these writings as dogma, and take them out of context. I don't think
>> Jernigan was diminishing the meaning of how hard it is to be blind at
>> times. He was some times imagining a perfect world where every blind
>> person has training and opportunity. And therein lies the precondition
>> to normal life as a blind person: training and opportunity. I haven't
>> much where cooking skills are concerned, but I don't have to go back to
>> an NFB-run center to get good training in that regard. In some regards,
>> some training centers are a drama magnet for the residents.
>> As long as I get the training somewhere, and have the opportunity, then
>> I will live that area of life more confidently as a blind person.
>> One can not get all the training necessary for life in a 6 month
>> period, so we keep getting trained in life, and opening the doors for
>> ourselves.
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite
>> number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's
>> great literary works in Braille.
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Workman" <mworkman.lists at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:29 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Identity
>>> I think the issue of blindness constituting identity is definitely very
>>> interesting, and I've been thinking about it a bit recently.
>>> I believe that blindness does shape our sense of who we are, and this is
>>> largely socially influenced, but it's also deeper than that. It's almost
>>> certainly true that the challenges, discrimination, exclusion, etc that
>>> blind people routinely experience influence our identity. However, and this
>>> is where I part somewhat with so called NFB philosophy, I'm not sure that,
>>> in the absence of these factors, blindness would be reduced to a mere
>>> characteristic, if mere characteristic is supposed to mean something rather
>>> trivial and unimportant like hair and eye colour. I definitely think that,
>>> in the absence of social and environmental barriers, blind people would be
>>> able to flourish as well as anyone else; I don't question that claim, but I
>>> think perceiving the world in a unique way, in the way blind people do with
>>> little or no sight, is a significant factor in how a person's identity is
>>> constituted.
>>> Arielle called sex a mere characteristic. As with blindness, if calling it
>>> a mere characteristic is supposed to mean that it is as trivial as being 5
>>> foot 6 instead of 5 foot 5, then I don't think it is a mere characteristic.
>>> I don't have evidence of this, but I think I would feel differently about my
>>> body if I had the ability to grow a human being inside of it. My hunch is
>>> that the ability, or lack of ability, to give birth probably affects how one
>>> views one's body and thus one's sense of self in a non-trivial way.
>>> Similarly, relying heavily on auditory input, developing better memories,
>>> perceiving the world with little to no reliance on sight, I think these all
>>> affect a person's sense of identity in non-trivial ways, and they don't
>>> depend on social factors.
>>> Clarification, I'm not trying to suggest that women are defined by their
>>> ability to give birth. I'm only saying that to possess that ability might
>>> shape how you think about yourself in a way that is more significant than
>>> whether you have short or long hair.
>>> Best,
>>> Marc
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:08 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] being scholastically social?
>>> Hi again,
>>> Re-reading the posts thus far, I will add that I agree with Jedi.
>>> Blindness itself doesn't constitute the social identity. The identity
>>> comes from the social reaction we experience as a result of blindness,
>>> and the ways we've developed to respond to that social reaction. I
>>> would venture to guess that this is similar to the effects of skin
>>> color or biological sex on the development of racial and gender
>>> identities. Race and sex are mere characteristics to the extent that
>>> they by themselves don't influence how people function, just as
>>> blindness by itself doesn't significantly alter or take away from how
>>> we function. It's the social expectations associated with race, sex,
>>> and disability that shape how those identities form and how they
>>> influence people's sense of self.
>>> Arielle
>>> On 3/25/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A few comments from an amateur social psychologist:
>>>> There is research showing that members of minority groups (i.e. ethnic
>>>> minorities) sometimes experience the same kinds of awkward
>>>> interactions with majority group members that we have discussed as
>>>> happening to blind people. Specifically, majority group members (i.e.
>>>> white Americans) sometimes feel awkward when interacting with minority
>>>> members, especially out of concern that they might accidentally come
>>>> across as being prejudiced or racist. The result is that the
>>>> interaction tends to be strained and there is more tension than there
>>>> should be, and minority group members can get left out as a result of
>>>> the awkwardness. Of course this doesn't happen to all minority members
>>>> and certainly many majority members have no problem interacting across
>>>> race or ethnicity lines, just as plenty of sighted people have no
>>>> problem befriending, working with or dating blind people. But it is a
>>>> general tendency.
>>>> I think the question of whether blindness is an identity or a
>>>> situation/characteristic is interesting. My hunch is that it depends
>>>> on who you ask; in other words, blind people can range from being
>>>> completely disidentified (and often not voluntarily associating with
>>>> other blind people) to completely identified and highly affiliated (to
>>>> the point of having no close sighted friends). For low-identifiers,
>>>> blindness probably feels more like a single characteristic; for high
>>>> identifiers, blindness may feel like a trait coupled with a social
>>>> group label. In the NFB, when we talk about "the blind" or "the
>>>> nation's blind", we are implicitly acknowledging that the blind have a
>>>> common identity, even if we don't all believe that this common
>>>> identity or fate is rooted in culture.
>>>> As part of my Ph.D. training I do intend to do some research
>>>> investigating whether blindness is a coherent identity and, if it is,
>>>> whether it has similar effects on people's self-concept and behavior
>>>> as other identities (i.e. ethnic, religious, etc.) For example, I
>>>> suspect that the constant messages we get from the public about our
>>>> inferiority and the devastation of blindness pose unique psychological
>>>> issues that we contend with, and that it can be difficult to see
>>>> ourselves as whole, capable beings when our identities as blind people
>>>> are construed in the public eye as compromised or broken.
>>>> One final thought: I've found it interesting that many sighted people
>>>> seem to think of blindness as a condition or trait but don't think of
>>>> "the blind" as a coherent group with the same rights as racial,
>>>> ethnic, and other cultural groups. This was apparent in the debate
>>>> over the movie Blindness. I heard several people (some sighted, some
>>>> blind) argue that the movie was OK because the people portrayed in it
>>>> weren't "real blind people"; rather, they were sighted people who went
>>>> blind as part of the plot. Of course, any of us who were sighted at
>>>> one time know that people who go blind are still blind people;
>>>> nevertheless, there appeared to be that distinction in some people's
>>>> minds. I think this is also why it's hard for us to make civil rights
>>>> arguments against blatant injustices (i.e. "Treating blacks with this
>>>> kind of discrimination is unacceptable, and so treating us this way is
>>>> also unacceptable"). A lot of people just don't get it, or think that
>>>> treating blind people differently is OK because stereotypes about
>>>> blindness are somehow more valid than stereotypes about other minority
>>>> groups. I'm not sure how to bridge that thought gap or how to
>>>> demonstrate the existence of the common blind identity in situations
>>>> where we are all affected by the same discriminations or denials of
>>>> rights.
>>>> Arielle
>>>> On 3/25/10, Sarah Alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> True. Maybe the reason I'm anti social is I have no social skills to
>>>>> begin
>>>>> it I wirhwe talk to much or don't' talk at all and sometimes I come
>>>>> across
>>>>> as rude but I'm so used to beeing int he teaching invironment that I
>>>>> cannot
>>>>> for me get out of it. I'm not making much sense as I am starting to get a
>>>>> bit hungry.. Hehaha. I do know this much I have a harder time socialising
>>>>> with the sighree then with the bind. theer is so much that can be
>>>>> comunicated in silence. so much we can't see.
>>>>> I really enjoy reading these discussions and view points as it makes me
>>>>> think about what I need to work on or not bather working on.
>>>>> Take care all.
>>>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting. If we're talking straight up blindness, I think we've all
>>>>>> experienced a moment or two of feeling out of place in light of the
>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>> sighted crowd. I certainly experience with each meeting I attend until
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> shake off the feeling and plunge forward. If we're talking ethnic
>>>>>> minority,
>>>>>> I can't say I've experienced that before, but I don't know if it's
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> the feeling is overshadowed by the blindness factor or because I've
>>>>>> genuinely never witnessed this behavior.
>>>>>> Regardless, what I find interesting about this discussion is that it
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> blindness an identity factor. I think the original post asked how we as
>>>>>> blind individuals handled campus involvement, when our philosophy claims
>>>>>> blindness can be reduced to the level of a nuisance. I know this
>>>>>> position
>>>>>> does not claim blindness can be eliminated, but it would appear to
>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>> blindness is irrelevant to one's sense of self. So, rather than ask,
>>>>>> "how
>>>>>> do you, as a blind person, handle X, Y and Z," shouldn't we be asking
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> handle the task in general?
>>>>>> Interesting discussion.
>>>>>> Joe Orozco
>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:51 PM
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] being scholastically social?
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>> The issue of inaccessibility to informal networks is actually becoming
>>>>>> a key issue for those who study organizational communication and
>>>>>> diversity. Basically, inaccessibility to informal networks is a fancy
>>>>>> way of saying that one is left out or somehow treated differently based
>>>>>> on their minority group status. Either as a blind person or a member of
>>>>>> a minority group, have you ever had that gut feeling that you just
>>>>>> didn't belong or that your social interactions were influenced by your
>>>>>> minority status? Perhaps you were the only member of a minority or one
>>>>>> of few? Maybe it wasn't something that anyone said directly, or maybe
>>>>>> it was. But either way, that gut feeling was still there.
>>>>>> Organizational scholars would say that this kind of thing is controlled
>>>>>> by context for sure. If your workplace and general environment are
>>>>>> rather diverse and handle diversity well, you're probably less likely
>>>>>> to have this experience. If not, than you probably will at some point
>>>>>> and to some degree or other. But basically, the bottom line is that for
>>>>>> people who experience this problem, they tend to be the only one or one
>>>>>> of few representing their minority in an organization that hasn't yet
>>>>>> become aware of its assumptions and ideologies favoring the dominant
>>>>>> population. If you ask me, blindness will definitely cause one to
>>>>>> experience this interesting problem at some point.
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Jedi
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Jedi,
>>>>>>> I'm part of a minority group and have never experienced or
>>>>>> witnessed this
>>>>>>> behavior. What are you basing these conclusions on? Or,
>>>>>> could you give
>>>>>>> examples? If blind people are going to use this as a justification to
>>>>>>> explain their social isolation, I'd like the comparison to be
>>>>>> accurate.
>>>>>>> Joe Orozco
>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
>>>>>> their sleeves,
>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:59 AM
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] being scholastically social?
>>>>>>> It's not just a blindness thing precisely. It's not uncommon for
>>>>>>> minority groups to have difficulty making friends on the job or in
>>>>>>> school: things are cordial at work, but there's often lack of
>>>>>> access to
>>>>>>> informal social networks which can, in some cases, become a real
>>>>>>> obstacle even during work hours. Causes might include anything from
>>>>>>> just not knowing what to say to a minority group member to feeling a
>>>>>>> large gap between minorities and their non-minority
>>>>>> counterparts. There
>>>>>>> really is no right way to handle this problem because it
>>>>>> affects us all
>>>>>>> so differently. If it concerns you that you're feeling left
>>>>>> out, it may
>>>>>>> be worth addressing to someone who you feel will most likely hear you.
>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>> Jedi
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> I am currently in high school. I don't do much in terms of
>>>>>>> clubs or other
>>>>>>>> school activities in school. I briefly joined the stage crew
>>>>>>> for a play, but
>>>>>>>> I was kind of in the way. No one talked to me, about anything
>>>>>>> other than
>>>>>>>> professional questions about things of a technical nature. I
>>>>>>> did my job
>>>>>>>> well, but I clearly did not fit in. people were afraid that
>>>>>>> if they talked
>>>>>>>> to me they would offend me or something like that.
>>>>>>>> Because I don't do many activities in school, I am involved
>>>>>> in the boy
>>>>>>>> scouts, life teen, and the NFB. Even at places such as boy
>>>>>>> scouts and life
>>>>>>>> teen, most of the conversations I have are professional or
>>>>>>> technical in
>>>>>>>> nature. I really don't have many sighted friends. I don't
>>>>>>> know if this is
>>>>>>>> blindness related, or what.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jamie Principato" <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] being scholastically social?
>>>>>>>>> In middle school, I would jump at the opportunity to get
>>>>>>> involved in as
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> as my parents would allow. I did Student Government, Jazz
>>>>>> Band, and a
>>>>>>>>> Youth
>>>>>>>>> Leadership organization that focused on competitive debate
>>>>>> and public
>>>>>>>>> speaking (think like a junior Toastmasters International). I
>>>>>>> couldn't wait
>>>>>>>>> for high school when I'd have even more interesting groups
>>>>>>> and activities
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> choose from.
>>>>>>>>> When I got to high school, I encountered a lot
>>>>>>> of...problems...with the
>>>>>>>>> school's Vision department (which is sad since I only went
>>>>>>> to this high
>>>>>>>>> school because we were told it offered the most for
>>>>>> visually impaired
>>>>>>>>> students). I could go on all day with the details here, but
>>>>>>> I'll spare you
>>>>>>>>> that. One of these issues was the fact that blind students
>>>>>>> at this school
>>>>>>>>> tended to be very...disconnected from the rest of the student body,
>>>>>>>>> avoiding
>>>>>>>>> activities and student events. I learned shortly after
>>>>>>> joining Model UN
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Psychology Club, attending the first Freshman dance, and
>>>>>>> planning to go to
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> pep rally that the Vision department wasn't happy with the
>>>>>>> fact t I joined
>>>>>>>>> and attended these clubs without telling them first, and
>>>>>>> that if I was
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to keep attending, they'd need my mother to write up a
>>>>>>> permission note (no
>>>>>>>>> other student needed to do this) and they would have to first find a
>>>>>>>>> teacher
>>>>>>>>> to stay late in the day and basically babysit me while I
>>>>>> attend these
>>>>>>>>> activities. Oh, and I wasn't allowed to go to that pep rally
>>>>>>> unless I sat
>>>>>>>>> with my TVI and the other teachers, not in the Freshman
>>>>>>> stands with my
>>>>>>>>> class. My mother and I told them that all of this was
>>>>>>> unnecessary, and we
>>>>>>>>> complained to the principal, but between this and a number of other
>>>>>>>>> issues,
>>>>>>>>> we just ended up taking matters into our own hands.
>>>>>>>>> We registered as a home schooling family, and joined a home
>>>>>>> school support
>>>>>>>>> group with about 70 or so other families in the county. I
>>>>>>> took advantage
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> my new freedom and got involved in a ton of extracurricular
>>>>>>> activities in
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> community, even sports (something that never would have
>>>>>> flown at that
>>>>>>>>> school). Now that I'm in college, I try to get involved on
>>>>>>> campus and in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> city when ever I can. I joined the university's fencing
>>>>>>> club, a volunteer
>>>>>>>>> organization, and I'm currently applying to Psi Chi. I also
>>>>>>> try to get the
>>>>>>>>> most out of campus cultural events like plays or concerts,
>>>>>>> and make use of
>>>>>>>>> campus facilities like the gym. THe only issue I've been
>>>>>>> having is that
>>>>>>>>> transportation in my city. The only bus that comes near by
>>>>>>> house recently
>>>>>>>>> changed its schedule and now stops running early in the
>>>>>>> evening. The only
>>>>>>>>> way to really go out in the evening for any sort of event or
>>>>>>> get home from
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> club meeting is to take a cab or ride with a friend, but you
>>>>>>> need to get
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> a bit first to make those sighted friends. I find that if
>>>>>>> money is tight
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> month, it's pretty unlikely that I'll be doing much outside
>>>>>>> of attending
>>>>>>>>> class, including attending free activities or events. I
>>>>>>> guess that's just
>>>>>>>>> one price of living off campus though.
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Darian Smith
>>>>>>> <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious to here what people's thoughts are about becoming
>>>>>>>>>> involved in clubs and campus activities in school (high school or
>>>>>>>>>> college). do you jump at the oppertunity to meet new
>>>>>> people? do you
>>>>>>>>>> feel nervous about it. have you met some of your best friends at a
>>>>>>>>>> ralley, social club, campus society? how did your self-
>>>>>>> identity as
>>>>>>>>>> a blind person factor into your interactions with people? how did
>>>>>>>>>> people interact with you?
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth
>>>>>>>>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
>>>>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a
>>>>>>> nationwide teacher
>>>>>>>>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
>>>>>>>>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
>>>>>>>>>> help! To Get Involved go to:
>>>>>>>>>> www.TeachBlindStudents.org
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