[nabs-l] Appreciating our roots. And, examining the tree and the forest
Serena
serenacucco at verizon.net
Sun May 9 02:20:47 UTC 2010
I agree about how people supposedly aren't good Federationists if they don't
go to NFB training centers. Really, if you have a goal for yourself, you
can achieve it, without NFB training, as long as you already know the
philosophy. I set a goal to learn public transportation. Thanks to my mom
and a really great cane teacher from the Commission--a really great
team--and, most of all, my hard worrk, I'm almost ready to start learning
it! My NFB president, Joe Ruffalo, believes you don't have to believe
everything the NFB says or do all of what the organization wants you to do,
as long as you know what you're doing. E.G., if you know you could go
somewhere alone, but choose to use sighted guide on a particular day, he
says, go for it!
Serena
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From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 4:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Appreciating our roots. And,examining the tree and the
forest
> Joe,
> I so
> Completely agree with your post , particularly concerning making people
> feel bad for not attending training centers (as if they are somehow
> lacking). I have noticed that it is more or less assumed, in some cases,
> that if someone is blind and has not gone to a training center (NFB or
> not),
> then they are necessarily less competent, etc. I have always said that
> life
> is what you make of it, and the most value you gain from any experience,
> be
> that at a training center or through living life in its various stages, is
> a
> different perspective. It is said that there cannot possibly be any new
> ideas, as all of the ideas have already been thought of by someone before
> you. In this case, a new idea is not what is needed (do this, don't do
> that, and so forth), but a new perspective. Change your perspective and
> you
> will change your world.
>
> It may sound selfish to some, but I say if you first live for yourself and
> then live to help others you will be on the right track, because you are
> no
> good to anyone if you are not first comfortable within your own skin, and
> first take care of your needs. No organization should become your life,
> whether that it religious, advocacy, or what have you. You should have
> your
> family, your profession (work) life, and then things about which you are
> passionate (cancer groups, NFB, helping children, etc). This should fall
> in
> with this category. If blindness is a characteristic, then I am going to
> live my life to show this; it makes me very angry when people make out
> like
> I am responsible to all blind people in the world to raise money, promote
> this or that program, and so forth. And, I have to freely admit that part
> of this is the fact that I do not like anything which resembles
> unquestioning obedience or fellowship -- that is to say, I take what I
> need
> from such things and leave the rest. I do not hold as closely to the
> church
> of my childhood for this reason, but that is a discussion for another
> time.
> The same is with the NFB. We are never told where they get their
> statistics, but are just expected to accept them unquestioningly as true
> and
> accurate. Once I got in college and began to question things around me, I
> realized how ridiculous many things are in the world, and religion was one
> (again, different discussion, as it has absolutely no relevance here), and
> that led me to think about how so many people never question what they are
> taught, and just accept it with no proof. The other thing is this:
> organizations love buzzwords. They love to throw them around, and they
> write their literature, deliver their speeches, and promote their programs
> with the clear message that they, and they alone have the answer and are
> right, and anyone who disagrees is stupid. This is a common thread with
> organizations/religious groups, if you notice. The point I want to
> emphasize is the "we have the answers," part. My basic thing I like to
> remember about people is this: Everyone thinks they're right, everyone
> knows best, everyone always has the answer, and no one can disagree or
> you're stupid. This goes for individuals as well as groups. And, then
> again, maybe I'm just scinical, bitter, and all the rest of it. But these
> are only my thoughts.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Joe Orozco
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:40 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Appreciating our roots. And, examining the tree and
> the forest
>
> Dear Heather and all,
>
> A well-written, thought-provoking post as always. Yet I have to confess
> it
> was one of those messages where I heartily agreed with certain points and
> completely disagreed with others.
>
> Your message says that what happens in our community is up to us
> regardless
> of what the national office decides to build or how it decides to spend
> its
> money. Unfortunately, even in the Christian church example you provide,
> local branches, or in our case local chapters, cannot exist as independent
> operations with little regard for the customs, norms and influence
> promoted
> by the central body. People in the NFB are asked to give up their free
> time
> to attend meetings, to volunteer between meetings, to make donations, and
> to
> budget for expensive trips to conventions across the state and across the
> country. In a perfect world the warmth and camaraderie of one's own
> community would be enough to satisfy one's need to know to what end their
> time is being invested. Yet local chapters review presidential releases.
> Veteran members strongly encourage freshmen to attend conventions, and the
> freshmen and the curious succumb to these activities because it is human
> nature to want to learn and do more. Modern technology makes it
> impossible
> to settle for small-town satisfaction.
>
> This in of itself is not anything negative. The national conventions are
> large enough to accommodate individual interests. The problem comes into
> play when the national body leans on state affiliates to produce more than
> what the state affiliates can produce. What happens at the national level
> very much impacts local communities, because ultimately it is up to the
> general membership to help bring in the money to build what the national
> office wants. I do not buy into the belief that major decisions are
> dictated by convention resolutions, many of which are not fulfilled, but
> the
> level of tilted demand and fractured communication between the national
> office and state affiliates are one reason we witness incidents like the
> New
> Hampshire affiliate collapse. New Hampshire is the rare exception, but
> how
> many other New Hampshires are there in our midst?
>
> You make the excellent point that what the organization looks like in
> fifty
> years will largely depend on what we as individuals choose to contribute.
> That's an interesting proposal. I came into the organization almost nine
> years ago, made a lot of noise, discovered that the best way to be heard
> was
> to do the hard work, did the hard work so that I could give my complaints
> a
> foundation, and even after some of my better efforts discovered that
> diligent service only carries you so far. In my case, I could genuinely
> care less if people like me as an individual so long as the ideas I
> propose
> to help blind people as a whole are given a fair audience. Hard work, it
> seemed, was only appreciated so long as I followed the party line.
> Conventions are the place to debate decisions, and any debate between
> conventions is just unthinkable. Well, when it came to deciding whether I
> would spend my time developing my professional aspirations or devoting my
> time to an organization that only showed conditional appreciation for my
> talents, the choice wasn't that difficult.
>
> Since only 10 percent of the people actually carry out the work of the
> organization, where does that leave those of us who want to help the NFB
> but
> are not passionate enough about the blindness movement to devote the hours
> necessary to make a real difference? I, for instance, have other
> aspirations. I want to work with troubled youth and victims of human
> trafficking, and I have to try to make time in a day to volunteer in those
> areas after I finish my full-time job and run my communications company.
> Does this somehow make my opinions less than worthy because I am not
> giving
> the organization 100 percent of my devotion? This logic, to me, suggests
> that if you are blind, you would be wrong not to belong to the NFB and
> pull
> your full weight. Not all cancer survivors devote the balance of their
> lives to finding a cure. Moreover, what good is believing in the
> philosophy
> if you do not exercise the philosophy in the areas that interest you most?
>
> I may very well be tuned into the wrong channel, but from where I'm
> sitting
> and the conversations I'm tapping into, people trip over themselves to
> complain about this or make fun of that, youth and adults alike, but hold
> them accountable in a public forum and it's all about amen to the glory of
> the NFB. Give credit where credit is due, but we really will not survive
> if
> we only know how to give unquestioning allegiance to the people in power.
> The NFB has historically questioned authority and raised a call to action
> to
> change that with which it did not agree. I take it the same cannot be
> said
> about internal calls for improvements?
>
> If only fully committed members are valued, then I guess I know where the
> door is. Maybe there really is no one patient enough to tame this weapon.
> Yet there is still the matter of the people yet to be brought in. These
> are
> people who are unfortunately made to feel less than perfect if they do not
> attend one of our training centers. These are people who are made to feel
> less loyal if they do not use one of our long canes. These are people who
> are not deemed "normal" if their personal habits, social skills and
> philosophies do not mesh with our own. As an example, one weekend I was
> at
> a leadership seminar at the National Center. A well-known student
> accidentally dropped their plate in the dining room at dinner time. The
> student was mortified not because they had dropped their plate, but
> because
> they had dropped their plate in the presence of other blind people in the
> highly esteemed National Center. I mean, so much for all this nonsense
> about how the National Center is supposed to be our house. I guarantee
> that
> if anyone from this list ever set foot into my home, you would never be
> made
> to feel as awkwardly uncomfortable as the National Center has the ability
> to
> make people feel. I felt so incredibly bad for the student in question
> but
> could honestly not think of what to say to make them feel better.
>
> It's arrogance in almost its purest form. I'm an arrogant guy and
> appreciate the mentality, but the organization cannot afford to be so
> condescending to the people who do not purchase the whole cow, not when
> the
> organization chooses to isolate itself from other cross disability groups
> and thinks its methods of doing things are better than even other
> blindness
> organizations. I think I could count the number of times the NFB has
> partnered up with other groups to send a message.
>
> And so here we are. I feel good about the service I provided to the NFB
> in
> my more active years. I fully intend to use my resources to try to help
> divisions, affiliates and local chapters expand their operations as soon
> as
> I can give the project proper attention, but to be honest, I do it because
> I
> care about the people more than I care about the organization and its
> doctrine. Somewhere along the way banquet speeches weren't enough to
> mobilize my efforts, and at the moment the only thing the NFB can offer me
> is the opportunity to raise money for projects with no short-term benefits
> to the people who genuinely need help getting educated and employed. My
> hard-earned dollars seem to be better spent on hungry families in
> Washington
> DC by way of my church.
>
> I believe the NFB will fade away in due course not because there will no
> longer be a need for proper advocacy on behalf of the blind. Rather, it
> will fade away because the up and coming generation will figure out that
> it
> can accomplish what the NFB wants to achieve and then some, and be more
> inclusive about it. As Heather pointed out, this generation is not a
> generation of joiners. The ones who do make it their life's work to help
> the blind need only come up with one good alternative to make both the NFB
> and ACB irrelevant, only, one, alternative.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of H. Field
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Appreciating our roots. And,examining the
> tree and the forest
>
> Hi all,
> It is very easy to blame generalised groups. "The older generation",
> "leadership", "fund-raising" and so on. However, the real truth about
> the growth and education of this organisation, the NFB, is the same as
> it is for all similar groups. To demonstrate what I'm referring to,
> let me take a moment to share what we can learn from other similar
> groups. One such similar group is the Christian church. I have read of
> how some other religious groups, and some sporting groups and clubs
> which function the same. But, for the purposes of this post, I want
> to use a group that most of us have had some experience with at some
> time or other.
>
> Many studies have been done over the years about how various Christian
> churches, grow and maintain, their membership and perform their work.
> Without fail, the results of the studies show that churches gain and
> keep new members wehn people are personally invited by a personal
> friend or relative. People continue to stay at a particular church and
> get involved in the work of their church because they are mentored,
> discipled personally by other members of the church.
>
> This is the simple truth. People join a Christian church of choice,
> get involved in church work, and promote that particular philosophical
> interpretation of the Bible which their church adheres to because of
> the personal factor. All the studies show that personal invitation by
> friend/family member, personal mentoring, and opportunity to serve are
> the tree factors in the growth and maintenance of a church. Training
> classes, media advertising, door knocking and "sales pitches" by
> strangers, and other publicity events such as having a booth at a
> local fair, will bring in a very small percentage of people of whom a
> smaller percentage actually stay. so, if you want to know what works
> there it is.
>
> I have been a chapter president and I know what it is like to try to
> get the work of the organisation done. It is not as simple as saying
> that the leadership or the older generation are letting young people
> down. The nfb exists within a society and any meaningful assessment of
> the organisation must be made in the social context in which it
> operates. Some current social trends in first world countries are
> worth considering.
>
> 1. Generations since the Baby-boomers are much less inclined to do
> volunteer work.
> 2. Post Baby-boomer generations are much less inclined to join, and
> commit to groups such as service clubs, The Red Cross etc.
> 3. The pressure for women to work outside of the home leaves less
> leisure time for social group involvement.
> 4. The number of disability groups vying for public attention is much
> larger in this century than the last. Factors causing this include the
> incredible advances in medical competence, the development of
> technology to sustain life longer, and the success of the civil rights
> movement which has put the disability community out of institutions
> and into the public arena. This means more people to consume finite
> resources such as jobs, government assistance programmes and volunteer
> transportation assistance.
> 5. A blindness specific social factor is the decentralisation of
> education for blind students. Many more blind children are growing up
> with minimal and marginal contact with formal groups of and/or for the
> blind. This means that networking on a personal basis is more
> difficult and, ironically, that attitudes against accepting the
> respectability of blindness are harder to influence.
> 6. The largest and fastest growing group of blind people in the
> western world are adults over 65 years of age.
>
> The world in which the current NFB is functioning is vastly different
> from the one that existed when it began, and even from the nineteen
> nineties. Yes, many of the things Doctor Jernigan told us to strive
> for in his speeches have not yet been achieved, but the reasons why
> are much more complex than simply saying the organisation has focused
> on fund-raising or centralising programmes. A far better approach is
> to begin with one's self and look at what one has personally done to
> increase the influence and effectiveness of the organisation. Whatever
> the national leadership decide to spend or build, what happens in my
> town is up to me and my blind and sighted friends who believe the NFB
> philosophy and live it as best we can. Local chapters are the mouth
> and arms and legs of the organisation. It is in local chapters that
> new people receive words of welcome and empowerment, hugs of
> encouragement and affirmation, friends and mentors to walk alongside
> them and visit them at home and teach them skills and hope for a
> better life. I ask myself how many new people I have brought to
> meetings after reaching out and getting to know them. Do I attend all
> my chapter meetings and events and make a difference by my physical
> presence? What have I done to reach out to other blind people? It can
> be a sobering experience if you are willing to sit down and ask
> yourself the hard questions.
>
> I began with the observation that reliable studies show that it is
> person to person outreach and mentoring/discipling that brings new
> members to social organisations. I will close by sharing another two,
> scientifically varified facts about the successful functioning of
> groups like the NFB.
> 1. Between 9 and 12 percent of the membership are willing and able to
> take on leadership positions.
> 2. Roughly ten percent of the people do roughly 90 percent of the
> work. Generally, the remaining membership attend sporadically, work
> occasionally and talk. and, I would assume in these days of
> techological communication, e-mail, text and twitter.
>
> What people are prepared to actually, do. in their community will
> determine what the NFB looks like and what it is doing in fifty years.
>
> Regards,
>
> Heather Field
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Briley Pollard" <brileyp at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Appreciating our roots
>
>
> I think it is perhaps a stretch to say we won't exist in just 50
> years, but I do think the purpose and philosophy will be very diluted
> at that point if something isn't done. I did bring it up to say that
> we have a responsibility to sea out information, but I do think the
> leadership needs to be more efficient at educating new comers. This is
> just speculation on my part, but I think part of the reason why the
> specifics and history of the philosophy stopped being pushed so hard
> is because the federation didn't want to scare off new members. While
> I think it is a poor approach to immediately yank away a cane that may
> be too short, or talk constantly of the "glory days" as soon as
> someone walks in the door, I think a better effort needs to be made at
> empowering and educating the membership as a whole.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Briley
> On May 2, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>
>> Briley,
>>
>> I don't know how many people actually read my series of action plan
>> posts.
>> I'm wrapping it up anyway just to finish my ramblings, and it's
>> funny that
>> you mention roots because it's basically the foreground of what I
>> have to
>> contribute. Yet, I am not convinced the blame rests squarely on our
>> generation. Actually, it is my theory that the older generation is
>> almost
>> completely responsible for our sense of complacency. I believe the
>> National
>> Center has saturated the work of the organization so much with
>> fundraising
>> and technological design that everyday philosophy has been
>> forgotten. It is
>> my personal belief that our philosophy has become more the banner
>> than the
>> engine, and at this rate I do not believe the NFB will exist in 50
>> years,
>> maybe sooner. Outrageous? Of course it is, but considering the
>> source, are
>> you surprised? More later, but I'm glad the subject came up.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Briley Pollard
>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Appreciating our roots
>>
>> I do think our generation in many ways has a sense of
>> entitlement. I think a better understanding of our history and
>> our purpose as an organization will better define that line
>> between entitlement and creating a level playing field. To whom
>> much is given, much is required, and I think people all too
>> often forget that.
>>
>> Briley
>> On May 2, 2010, at 5:23 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> As an old-timer, thank you! It is important to remember that
>> our ceiling is your floor. What you can take for granted is
>> what we had to fight for!
>>>
>>> And ... we came from a time that was in some ways simpler,
>> but where we asked for as little as possible. We will not ever
>> be as comfortable as your generation with asking for some
>> stuff. We also feel somewhat like there is an entitlement
>> attitude, and people are not as self sufficient as they need to
>> be in the real world.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 03:35 PM 5/2/2010, you wrote:
>>>> Good afternoon all,
>>>>
>>>> I am writing to open up a topic of conversation which I feel
>> is to often overlooked in our organization; our history as a
>> movement. I've grown up in this organization, and admittedly
>> didn't fully understand our history until about a month ago
>> when I began digging a little deeper.
>>>>
>>>> The federation has always been an important force in my
>> life, and has shaped my views about my blindness, even during
>> the periods where I wasn't actively involved. I always heard
>> about what great leaders we've had, and was exposed to tidbits
>> of information at state conventions or national events. But
>> most of the focus has always been on the here and now, which is
>> understandable to a point. It is vital that we understand the
>> obstacles that the blind community as a whole faces on a daily
>> basis, and how the federation is responding to them. However,
>> life events have spurred me on to discover more about our
>> roots. I'll keep the story short for brevity's sake, but it has
>> a point which I think is important, so stay with me.
>>>>
>>>> I am dating someone who has never been actively involved
>> with any of the blindness consumer organizations. He recently
>> realized his need for further training, and that lead him to
>> ask me my reasons for being a federationist. He began asking me
>> questions about how the federation began, how the philosophy
>> developed, and how the rehabilitation views of the NFB evolved.
>> I found myself unable to answer a lot of his questions, and was
>> disappointed in myself. I knew vague details about Dr.
>> Jernigan's involvement with the Iowa Commission for the Blind,
>> and something about airplane issues in the 70's and 80's, but
>> beyond that, my historical knowledge of the NFB was supremely
>> limited. After discussing this with some of my friends in the
>> organization, I found that the problem wasn't just with me. I'm
>> on the board of our local chapter, and it became apparent to me
>> after out last meeting that this is a widespread problem. We
>> have lost touch with our past, and that is never good. Roots
>> are vital to the life of any tree, and without them, we wouldn't
>> exist.
>>>>
>>>> I began to dig, which isn't hard to do. Nationals has done
>> an amazing job of making our history available to us.
>> www.nfb.org is a gold mine of information, even some of the
>> parts that are hard to see. Issues of the Braille Monitor are
>> available online going back 25 years, and important speeches
>> are available in both text and recorded form going back before
>> that. I have found myself appalled by the discrimination that
>> blind people faced even just twenty years ago. The fortitude it
>> took to get out there every day and command respect from a
>> sighted public is not just commendable, but amazing to me.
>>>>
>>>> I think that sometimes, the youth of this organization
>> accuse the older generation of the federation of being too
>> "militant," or "confrontational." While I do not always agree
>> with how the older generation has approached some issues, when
>> you really dig and read about what they had to indoor just to
>> be able to do things we take for granted today, you develop a
>> greater respect for their views and approach. We still have a
>> long way to go in some respects, but we have come far, and I
>> think we've lost respect for our past.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage everyone to sea out and understand the
>> beginnings and progress our movement has made over the past 70
>> years. You will be amazed, and it will make you really
>> understand, respect, and love this organization. I have had my
>> share of frustrations with the organization over the years. But
>> I must admit that I am so proud to be a part of the NFB, not
>> just for what it has meant to me, but what it has done even
>> before I was born to insure that I can live and work in a world
>> where I am seen as an equal with my sighted peers. No
>> organization is perfect because no person is perfect. But we
>> must all remember to appreciate this community we have, built
>> upon a solid foundation provided by many generations of blind
>> people before us, tirelessly working to show that blindness
>> should not limit our life choices.
>>>>
>>>> Let's all make a greater effort to know and appreciate our
>> history. We will all be better for it.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Briley
>>>
>>>
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