[nabs-l] New member

Wed Nov 10 05:50:58 UTC 2010

Yes, I forgot about using the flash drive.  I used to do that as well.

Well, I was thinking descrimination, but I just didn't want to say it.
 I wanted to be sure, but it sounds like Koby, you are doing all the
right things.  It sounds like your teachers just don't get it.  As
long as your parents are behind you, the school principal should
listen to you.

I don't know anything about working with the boss of your vision
teacher though.  I am a music major(I think someone was asking), and I
don't know how to go about things like this.  In our state there was a
whole district who served other districts in the community.  It's hard
to explain, but there was a deffinite chain of command.  If I had a
problem(and kept having problems) with my vision teacher, I(or more
likely my parents) would have to contact her boss.  I never did
because I had great vision teachers, but it would have been easy
enough to do.  I just don't know how your system works.

Keep working at it!  It is descrimination.  They cannot defy the IEP!

On 11/9/10, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Coby and all,
>   I'd try to contact your vission teacher, one more time, directly.
> Spam her answering machine, tell her "I need this now" instead of
> "please let me know what we can do."  Maybe that'll help.
>   But it sounds like you've got kinda a tough vission teacher to work
> with.  Definitely don't be afraid to stand your ground and talk to
> your principal, a teacher, or whoever you need to.  If you have a
> teacher who's easy to work with, maybe see if they can talk to your
> other teachers and tell them how easy it is to email assignments, put
> them on a flash drive, etc.
>   And that reminds me, oftentimes I'd just bring my flash drive to
> class, my teacher would put the assignment/test/whatever on there
> and...there you go.  In my experience through high school, teachers
> had computer coppies of almost everything.  And...maybe having a copy
> of your IEP with you to show the teacher if he/she's being annoying,
> just to put the weight of contract behind what you're saying, couldn't
> hurt.
>   But, forpretty much all of my teachers, just saying "you know, if
> you email me this assignment, or let me put it on my flash drive, it's
> really works easy and it saves lots of people lots of time brailling."
>  If they're not comfortable with you using your own flash drive
> (cheating and the like), then see if you can borrow a flash drive from
> the teacher for the class period?  Just my two cents, take it or leave
> it.
>   Respectfully,
> Kirt
>
> On 11/9/10, Mark J. Cadigan <kramc11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Clearly, but school systems still engage in it. I find that the only thing
>> they listen to is playing hardball and the DOE, but they don't even do
>> that.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>
>>
>>> That is discrimination!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>
>>>
>>>> Try writing a letter to the principle and CC the superintendent of
>>>> schools. Write it in hard copy, and send it registered mail, or hand
>>>> deliver it. Always keep records of every move you make in regards to the
>>>> school system. They will try to get out of there obligations if you give
>>>> them the smallest loophole. Knowing a good lawyer or a professional
>>>> advocate is also beneficial. Hopefully it doesn't come down to playing
>>>> hardball, but don't back down, and stand your ground. Not being able to
>>>> do your work at the same time as your classmates due to accessibility
>>>> issues is not acceptable. Also, does your state have an active student
>>>> division; perhaps you can email them, and get additional solutions
>>>> tailored to the laws of your state.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Koby Cox" <kobycox at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have talked to my parents about this issue and they've emailed my
>>>>>vision
>>>>> teacher and she's don nothing.
>>>>> Koby.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:09 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok. Well, reason I asked about what grade you are in, is because
>>>>> although it
>>>>>
>>>>> is good to start advocating for yourself as young as possible, teachers
>>>>> tend
>>>>>
>>>>> not to pay attention to you when you are younger. A possible way to get
>>>>> around the wireless access issue is to use a broadband card and access
>>>>> the
>>>>> internet over the phone towers. A good way to force the school to allow
>>>>> you
>>>>> onto the wireless is to include something into the IEP. Something such
>>>>> as
>>>>> requires a laptop with wireless access. Possibly they may make an
>>>>> exception
>>>>> for you to get onto the internet, or if you push the issue, they may
>>>>> modernize and create a student network. It is not all that difficult to
>>>>> do,
>>>>> have both a faculty and student network. Have you talked to your
>>>>> parents
>>>>> about the issue? Also, have you spoken to the student division in your
>>>>> state?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Koby Cox" <kobycox at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm in the 11th grade. I have all of the stuff that you've mentioned
>>>>>> except
>>>>>> wireless access. The network is secured. They won't allow students to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> to there network. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>> Koby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:50 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if it's been mentioned, but what grade are you in? And,
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> have a laptop or note taker with wireless access, a refreshable
>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>> display, and an embosser. It may not be the best, but having
>>>>>> assignments
>>>>>> emailed to you may work. Then you can read them on a refreshable
>>>>>> display,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> emboss them yourself. Sometimes u have to do a bit of your own
>>>>>> adaptation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Koby Cox" <kobycox at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:52 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My name is Koby and I'm totally blind. I'm glad that I'm onboard this
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> I'm not getting my materials in Braille in a timely fassion. I've
>>>>>>> talked
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the teachers about this and they don't seem to care. For example I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> givven a paper the other day and the students were doing this exact
>>>>>>> assignment that same day and I was unable to do this assignment that
>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> to the fact taht I didn't have that paper in a accessible format.
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> I do? any advice will be appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Koby. P.S. I'm on a IEP. I didn't have this problem last year.
>>>>>>>
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