[nabs-l] File Formats Re: New member

Wed Nov 10 07:14:28 UTC 2010

Just a comment or two about emailing files and getting them on USB drives. 
In best case scenario, if it is a word document without pictures, it usually 
is not a problem. However, these days, there are lots of partially or 
completely inaccessible file formats. So, if anyone does decide to get files 
directly from a teacher, he/she should discuss what format works best. Just 
my 2 cents.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member

> Yes, I forgot about using the flash drive.  I used to do that as well.
>
> Well, I was thinking descrimination, but I just didn't want to say it.
> I wanted to be sure, but it sounds like Koby, you are doing all the
> right things.  It sounds like your teachers just don't get it.  As
> long as your parents are behind you, the school principal should
> listen to you.
>
> I don't know anything about working with the boss of your vision
> teacher though.  I am a music major(I think someone was asking), and I
> don't know how to go about things like this.  In our state there was a
> whole district who served other districts in the community.  It's hard
> to explain, but there was a deffinite chain of command.  If I had a
> problem(and kept having problems) with my vision teacher, I(or more
> likely my parents) would have to contact her boss.  I never did
> because I had great vision teachers, but it would have been easy
> enough to do.  I just don't know how your system works.
>
> Keep working at it!  It is descrimination.  They cannot defy the IEP!
>
> On 11/9/10, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Coby and all,
>>   I'd try to contact your vission teacher, one more time, directly.
>> Spam her answering machine, tell her "I need this now" instead of
>> "please let me know what we can do."  Maybe that'll help.
>>   But it sounds like you've got kinda a tough vission teacher to work
>> with.  Definitely don't be afraid to stand your ground and talk to
>> your principal, a teacher, or whoever you need to.  If you have a
>> teacher who's easy to work with, maybe see if they can talk to your
>> other teachers and tell them how easy it is to email assignments, put
>> them on a flash drive, etc.
>>   And that reminds me, oftentimes I'd just bring my flash drive to
>> class, my teacher would put the assignment/test/whatever on there
>> and...there you go.  In my experience through high school, teachers
>> had computer coppies of almost everything.  And...maybe having a copy
>> of your IEP with you to show the teacher if he/she's being annoying,
>> just to put the weight of contract behind what you're saying, couldn't
>> hurt.
>>   But, forpretty much all of my teachers, just saying "you know, if
>> you email me this assignment, or let me put it on my flash drive, it's
>> really works easy and it saves lots of people lots of time brailling."
>>  If they're not comfortable with you using your own flash drive
>> (cheating and the like), then see if you can borrow a flash drive from
>> the teacher for the class period?  Just my two cents, take it or leave
>> it.
>>   Respectfully,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 11/9/10, Mark J. Cadigan <kramc11 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Clearly, but school systems still engage in it. I find that the only 
>>> thing
>>> they listen to is playing hardball and the DOE, but they don't even do
>>> that.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is discrimination!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Try writing a letter to the principle and CC the superintendent of
>>>>> schools. Write it in hard copy, and send it registered mail, or hand
>>>>> deliver it. Always keep records of every move you make in regards to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> school system. They will try to get out of there obligations if you 
>>>>> give
>>>>> them the smallest loophole. Knowing a good lawyer or a professional
>>>>> advocate is also beneficial. Hopefully it doesn't come down to playing
>>>>> hardball, but don't back down, and stand your ground. Not being able 
>>>>> to
>>>>> do your work at the same time as your classmates due to accessibility
>>>>> issues is not acceptable. Also, does your state have an active student
>>>>> division; perhaps you can email them, and get additional solutions
>>>>> tailored to the laws of your state.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Koby Cox" <kobycox at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have talked to my parents about this issue and they've emailed my
>>>>>>vision
>>>>>> teacher and she's don nothing.
>>>>>> Koby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:09 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok. Well, reason I asked about what grade you are in, is because
>>>>>> although it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is good to start advocating for yourself as young as possible, 
>>>>>> teachers
>>>>>> tend
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not to pay attention to you when you are younger. A possible way to 
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> around the wireless access issue is to use a broadband card and 
>>>>>> access
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> internet over the phone towers. A good way to force the school to 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> onto the wireless is to include something into the IEP. Something 
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> requires a laptop with wireless access. Possibly they may make an
>>>>>> exception
>>>>>> for you to get onto the internet, or if you push the issue, they may
>>>>>> modernize and create a student network. It is not all that difficult 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do,
>>>>>> have both a faculty and student network. Have you talked to your
>>>>>> parents
>>>>>> about the issue? Also, have you spoken to the student division in 
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> state?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Koby Cox" <kobycox at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:58 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in the 11th grade. I have all of the stuff that you've mentioned
>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>> wireless access. The network is secured. They won't allow students 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> to there network. Any other suggestions would be greatly 
>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>> Koby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:50 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know if it's been mentioned, but what grade are you in? And,
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> have a laptop or note taker with wireless access, a refreshable
>>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>>> display, and an embosser. It may not be the best, but having
>>>>>>> assignments
>>>>>>> emailed to you may work. Then you can read them on a refreshable
>>>>>>> display,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> emboss them yourself. Sometimes u have to do a bit of your own
>>>>>>> adaptation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Koby Cox" <kobycox at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:52 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] New member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My name is Koby and I'm totally blind. I'm glad that I'm onboard 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>> I'm not getting my materials in Braille in a timely fassion. I've
>>>>>>>> talked
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the teachers about this and they don't seem to care. For example I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> givven a paper the other day and the students were doing this exact
>>>>>>>> assignment that same day and I was unable to do this assignment 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> to the fact taht I didn't have that paper in a accessible format.
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> I do? any advice will be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Koby. P.S. I'm on a IEP. I didn't have this problem last year.
>>>>>>>>
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> -- 
> Julie McG
> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
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