[nabs-l] Helen Keller - the activest?

Sun Oct 3 00:14:58 UTC 2010

To Desmond's point,  this may be true.  But what I   still get the
sense of  is a organization that hesitates  a bit to work with other
organizations to  further a  shared cause for fear that   our core
beliefs get lost or overlooked in furthering that cause.
 I tend to think that good leadership and a strong beliefin what you
stand for  will best enable you to hold your ground in those
situations and  make sure that what changes you want to see happen.
Unless I am mistaken, the civil rights movement looked to include  the
rights of many people.  besides it stands to reason that if you want
to go after the biggest prize in a prize fight, you want to  pick up
as many  fighting styles as possible- therefor making yourself more
difficult to beat.

On 10/2/10, Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com> wrote:
> However, I think the NFB is starting to form alliances with other groups
> such as the case with the Reading Rights Coalition.
>
> Dezman
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anmol Bhatia" <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the activest?
>
>
>> Joe,
>> I do agree that TenBroek was a incrediable person and brought blindness to
>>
>> where it is today, but I still think that Hellen Keller was alot more
>> successful then Dr. TenBroek. Although I must confess that TenBroek is my
>> favorite from Jernigan and Maurer. It was Dr. TenBroek who first  brought
>> blind people as a strong force and forming a consumer organization like
>> the NFB to represent blind people was a incrediable achievement in a erra
>> before the instent communication that we are so use to today. Whats more
>> increditable is what Dr. TenBroek achieved during the time when the
>> attitude was that if you were blind you simply can not do anything for
>> yourself. But there is a reason why Hellen Keller achieved the fame that
>> Dr. TenBroek did not what do you think the reason was?
>> Her potical beliefs may have been a little to ratical, but like you said
>> we do not have to always agree with all the beliefs of great leaders.
>> Whats important is the contributions that she made to the blind community.
>> You are right that it would be better if we were to work more closely with
>>
>> other disability organizations instead of going at it alone and frankly
>> since blind people are a large population of the disability community we
>> would most likely achieve what we want for the blind community and maybe
>> more. With our legislative leaders pressed for time and ceveral groups
>> trying to fight for attention and government funds, going at it alone is
>> not always the best policy.
>> Just some of my thoughts.
>> Anmol
>>
>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>>
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 10/2/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the activest?
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 9:13 AM
>>> Anmol,
>>>
>>> Really? I don't know about Maurer, but this is only
>>> because so often it
>>> takes years to appreciate the contributions of a
>>> leader. I thought Jernigan
>>> though had some good grassroots achievements.
>>> TenBroek is still my favorite
>>> guy, and as for Helen Keller, I finally read up on her
>>> achievements and
>>> agree she was a commendable figure. I don't know that
>>> I completely agree
>>> with her political philosophy, a little too socially
>>> radical for my taste,
>>> but helping to found the ACLU is a pretty huge deal in of
>>> itself. You don't
>>> have to agree with a leader's positions to acknowledge
>>> their greatness. I
>>> think that what strikes me about Helen Keller and Jacobus
>>> tenBroek is how
>>> they appeared to be a little more inclusive, a little more
>>> willing to work
>>> with other groups. Maurer loses major points for me
>>> for reinforcing such an
>>> isolationist approach in the disability community. I
>>> believe it is possible
>>> to maintain our core philosophy and still work with
>>> coalitions to get things
>>> accomplished. Take, for example, the recent
>>> Twenty-first Century
>>> Communications and Video Accessibility Act. I think
>>> it's a pretty big deal,
>>> and I wonder if we might not have been better off trying to
>>> incorporate our
>>> technology bill of rights into something like that rather
>>> than going at it
>>> alone. Here again though, I have to respect anyone
>>> who voluntarily puts
>>> themselves at the helm of any cause-oriented organization.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> “Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn
>>> up their sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at
>>> all.”--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Anmol Bhatia
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 3:52 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the activest?
>>>
>>> Hellen Killer did do alot for the blind community. The
>>> thing
>>> that stands out for me is what she overcame and achieved to
>>> get
>>> to where she got to. All that she accomplished. Yes she did
>>> not
>>> marry, but look famous she became. Consider the life that
>>> blind
>>> people were expected to achieve back then and she achieved
>>> alot
>>> more and as a result of her advocacy work and coming to
>>> fame,
>>> she has brought the somewhat possative attitude that
>>> society
>>> has about blindness today. However, she is just one
>>> leader in
>>> the history of blindness. Hellen Keller is one and another
>>> one
>>> is Louis Braille. Having said that I can not agree that Dr.
>>>
>>> Jernigan and Dr. more have done more for blindness
>>> then Hellen Keller.
>>> Anmol
>>>
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me
>>>
>>> sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times;
>>> but it
>>> is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 10/1/10, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the activest?
>>> > To: jsorozco at gmail.com,
>>> "National Association of Blind
>>> Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 8:49 PM
>>> > :) Anne's lost twin sister
>>> > maybe?
>>> > I've heard of Hellen Keller being an activist in a
>>> > variety of
>>> > different places- disability rights, advocating
>>> socialism
>>> > (I'll look
>>> > this one up again but I'm pretty sure), and anti
>>> world
>>> > wars.
>>> > So...yes, I'd consider her an activist. I don't
>>> agree
>>> > with everything
>>> > she said, but her example of stepping forward and
>>> speaking
>>> > up is
>>> > something I can respect and look up to.
>>> > That being said, I also think that Doctors Ten
>>> > Broek, Jernigan and
>>> > Maurer have probably done more in the field of
>>> blindness
>>> > specificly.
>>> > But I don't think that diminishes Hellen Keller or
>>> Anne
>>> > Sulivan in the
>>> > slightest.
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Kirt
>>> >
>>> > On 10/1/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > Who's Any Seliven?
>>> > >
>>> > > Joe
>>> > >
>>> > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people:
>>> some
>>> > turn up their sleeves,
>>> > > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up
>>> at
>>> > all."--Sam Ewing
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> > On Behalf Of Beth
>>> > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:13 PM
>>> > > To: National Association of Blind Students
>>> mailing
>>> > list
>>> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the
>>> activest?
>>> > >
>>> > > You're right. Annie Sullivat proved something,
>>> > but Helen needed a
>>> > > time to shine.
>>> > > Beth
>>> > >
>>> > > On 10/1/10, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >> Give me a brake? Helen Keller did a lot for
>>> the
>>> > blind and
>>> > > deaf comunity! Any
>>> > >> Seliven was the Dr. Gernigan of her time! RJ
>>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> > >> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>;
>>> > "National Association of Blind
>>> > > Students mailing
>>> > >> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > >> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 4:31 PM
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the
>>> > activest?
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Helen Keller has always inspired me, but
>>> then
>>> > again, she had
>>> > > a life that
>>> > >>> was typical of a blind woman in her
>>> > time. Since she was
>>> > > also deaf, she
>>> > >>> could not do much else in the society
>>> she
>>> > lived in. She was
>>> > > told not to
>>> > >>> marry and have children, so I've seen a
>>> phrase
>>> > "sexless
>>> > > saint" describing
>>> > >>> her. Where is that, anyone? I
>>> > might be wrong.
>>> > >>> Beth
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com
>>> > >>> To: "'National Association of Blind
>>> Students
>>> > mailing list'"
>>> > >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> > >>> Date sent: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:17:42
>>> -0400
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the
>>> > activest?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I personally think ten'Broek was a
>>> larger
>>> > advocate and icon
>>> > > in terms of
>>> > >>> work
>>> > >>> and results. I've always heard of
>>> Helen
>>> > Keller but could
>>> > > honestly not
>>> > >>> tell
>>> > >>> you what she accomplished. I think I
>>> > know more about Annie
>>> > > Sullivan than
>>> > >>> I
>>> > >>> do Helen.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Joe
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of
>>> people:
>>> > some turn up
>>> > > their sleeves,
>>> > >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't
>>> turn
>>> > up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> > On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> > >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:20 PM
>>> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Helen Keller - the
>>> > activest?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> greetings,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I was reading something and it
>>> > sparked a question that I want to
>>> > >>> pose to the list for some consideration
>>> and
>>> > conversation.
>>> > >>> Helen Keller was considered a rather
>>> > significant activest within the
>>> > >>> disability community.
>>> > >>> This being the case, I have two
>>> questions:
>>> > >>> 1. do you personally consider her an
>>> activest/
>>> > Advocate?
>>> > >>> 2. what do we know to be the NFB's
>>> > stance on this/her?
>>> > >>> I pose this as two questions to get
>>> your
>>> > thoughts and to
>>> > > get what you
>>> > >>> understand to be the organizational point
>>> of
>>> > view.
>>> > >>> thank you all for your consideration,
>>> > >>> Darian
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
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