[nabs-l] Capta

Thu Oct 21 04:04:39 UTC 2010

I think that this conversation is very interesting. However, before I say 
anymore, I want to emphasize that what follows is only my personal opinions.

I agree that whatever security measure that is used needs to be accessible 
all disabilities. However, I find one fundamental flaw in the idea of making 
captcha accessible to screen readers. The original intent of captcha is to 
prevent automated systems from tricking the system. Although a screen reader 
in and of itself cannot fill out a form, someone who really knew what he/she 
was doing could harness this capability Rather than trying to figure which a 
way to make captcha accessible without defeating the purpose of captcha, I 
think that it would be better to try to find another security feature.

I do not think that whoever designed captcha purposefully made them 
inaccessible. Rather, the designer(s) was (were) simply unaware of such 
issues.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta

> Peter,
>
> Let's write a resolution for it.  I'll volunteer to help write it with you
> and anyone else interested.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:35 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta
>
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>    All the more the reason to make them usable by all disabled
> individuals
> including the deaf-blind.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "autTeal Bloodwortho" <tealbloodworth at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta
>
>
> but rather they are increasing the usage of them on frequently
> used social
> networking sites, even those that are generally blind friendly.
>
>        -Teal
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta
>
>
>> Good morning everyone,
>>
>>    And if you're blind and deaf you really have a problem with these
>> things. Much has been done to create audio alternatives but nothing is
>> being
>> done to make these CAPTCHAs make their information available
> tactually.
>> I've
>> said it before and will say it again. If we can build an interface to
>> allow
>> a blind person to drive a car independently we should be able
> to create a
>> way for screen readers to read CAPTCHA information and
> reproduce it both
>> audibly and tactually so those with severe hearing
> impairments can have
>> full
>> access to Web sites where these things are used. In light of
> our work with
>> Virginia Tech the excuse that the technology to accomplish this isn't
>> there
>> doesn't wash with me. The same is also true of the blind
> driver interface
>> but we're moving full speed ahead on that one. We should be
> doing the same
>> with improving the usability of CAPTCHAS.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta
>>
>>
>> It is really annoying. The idea is that a computer cannot
> hack it because
>> the print is not recognizable by OCR and the speech is to
> unintelligible
>> to
>> be recognized. It seems to work fine for sighted people; I
> think that the
>> most tries that a sighted person ever had to do on it was 3, but I
>> couldn't
>> understand the speech if I listened to it 1000000 times. There is
>> discussion
>> about alternative methods of security, such as writing out a
> question that
>> only has one answer but that a computer would not be able to
> understand.
>> For
>> example:
>> what is 1+1
>> and
>> what is one plus one
>> mean the same thing to a human and would result in
>> 2
>> or two
>> but a computer probably has less of a chance of understanding
> the writing
>> than it would understanding the math.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rob" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>; "National
> Association
>> of
>> Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Capta
>>
>>
>>> Captcha is a visual utility implemented for security - to tell the
>>> difference between a human & a computer. It is not
> accessible by screen
>>> readers, hence the assistance website.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:09 PM, "Ashley  Bramlett"
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is CAPTA?  Maybe the advocacy program for your state.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:11 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Capta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know the information for the capta assistance website?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Nicole
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