[nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?

Jedi loneblindjedi at samobile.net
Fri Sep 24 18:37:10 UTC 2010


Dennis,

I think you've seriously misinterpreted what Arielle said. she said, 
basically, that this woman succeeded despite serious setbacks in her 
education and upbringing. She in no way said that she, because she has 
a strong blindness education, is better than Martinez. Where did you 
get that? And just so you know, Arielle's success inventory is looking 
pretty darn good where I'm sitting: she's a Doctoral student at around 
age 25 and is doing quite well.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Arielle,
> I think it is worth noting that you did not say anything positive about the
> blind chef.  All of your comments about her were called left handed
> compliments when I was young.  You clearly feel superior to her, and you may
> be, with all the skills you have mastered.  For all human beings, the proof
> is in the pudding.  In the profession she has chosen she is at the top, and
> has greatly exceeded almost all sighted competition.  I think it is valuable
> for all of us who are blind, as well as those who are not, to take a success
> inventory in the quiet of our own minds, and honestly evaluate how we are
> doing in the vocation we have chosen for ourselves.  She isn't sitting back
> and praising herself, nor is she diminishing the accomplishments of others
> to make herself look and feel superior.  She is actually out there in the
> race with sighted people, and she is winning.  Too many people, sighted or
> blind, spend their lives preparing for the race, but they don't have the
> guts to actually get into the race.  This is why they spend their lives
> hiding in school where it is safe, preparing for a race they will never have
> the courage to enter.  She and her accomplishments have made me very proud,
> and this article has done more for us as blind people than anything that I
> have seen other blind people do, including me, in a long time.  I'm going to
> write a letter to Charlie Trotter tomorrow and tell him how much I
> appreciate and value his willingness and ability to see beyond typical
> stereotypes.   .
> Best,
> Dennis



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?


>> Hi all,

>> The reporter used a little too much flowery rhetoric, but overall I
>> thought the article was pretty good. What struck me about Ms.
>> Martinez's background is that it sounds like she didn't have a lot of
>> the services we take for granted as a child, like Braille and O&M, if
>> she didn't even go to school until age ten. I assumed that is why she
>> has relied, and still relies, on aides, and perhaps also why she
>> didn't learn about things like skin color until she was older. I don't
>> think her being a chef is all that amazing, of course, but I am proud
>> of her for becoming so successful after what sounded like a somewhat
>> sheltered upbringing.

>> Arielle

>> On 9/23/10, Jewel S. <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Maybe she doesn't have strong O&M...some of those schools can be
>>> really big and hard to orient in. Think of your own school. It
>>> probably took you awhile to learn the campus...if not, then your O&M
>>> skills are quite good and I applaud you. I know I am still trying to
>>> learn my local community college's campus, though I've already got the
>>> basic layout of the private college I want to attend after community
>>> college..of course, the classes at the private college are in only one
>>> of two buildings that are connected, so that makes it pretty easy, but
>>> anyway...

>>> Saying she was lost because of the remodeling was a little
>>> exaggerative, but I bet she says she got lost herself. I say I get
>>> lost in a new place, and there is a store in a nearby shopping center
>>> that remodels almost every week, and I always say I'm lost int here
>>> because of their re-arranging everything.

>>> Just a thought.

>>> On 9/23/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I liked the article in general. I thought it was a little silly to say
>>>> that
>>>> she was "lost" because her parents remodeled the kitchen. I think "lost"
>>>> was
>>>> a little too strong of a word. Also...the school hired her an aid to
>>>> help
>>>> her get around? Seems a little odd. She is obviously successful though,
>>>> so
>>>> go her.

>>>> Briley
>>>> On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Andi wrote:

>>>>> i   read this article, and was excited about this womans success but
>>>>> was
>>>>> angry about how the writer of the article portrayed her!  I have also
>>>>> been
>>>>> rongly portrayed in newspaper articals as I am sure many of you have.
>>>>> I
>>>>> find news papers like to make a spectical of any one with a
>>>>> "disability"
>>>>> that does anything remotely normal and even more of a side show of
>>>>> someone
>>>>> who does something most "able bodied" people would have trouble doing.
>>>>> This makes me angry because they take a positive advancement for the
>>>>> blind
>>>>> and turn it in to a condescension of the blind.  How do you all feel
>>>>> about
>>>>> this and other articals like it.  Do you have any sugjestions on how to
>>>>> redirect it back to a positive to the world?


>>>>> Blind chef gains national acclaim
>>>>> local/article_9884f76e-5023-11df-a9be-001cc4c03286 frame
>>>>> local/article_9884f76e-5023-11df-a9be-001cc4c03286 frame end
>>>>> the quad-city times

>>>>> FORMER MOLINE RESIDENT COOKS AT GOURMET RESTAURANT IN CHICAGO

>>>>> Blind chef gains national acclaim

>>>>> Kay Luna | Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:15 am

>>>>> Laura Martinez reaches out her hands, delicately running her fingers
>>>>> atop
>>>>> the kitchen counter and across several sharp knives and a vegetable
>>>>> grater.

>>>>> She isn't afraid of getting cut.

>>>>> She never does, Martinez says.

>>>>> Picking up a very large knife, she feels the top of the blade.

>>>>> "This one is for vegetables," the 25-year-old former resident of Moline
>>>>> softly says. "It has ridges."

>>>>> The other knife is even longer and heavier. She picks it up, explaining
>>>>> that this one is called a chef's knife and she uses it to cut meat.

>>>>> But right now, Martinez needs to dice some fresh parsley. So, she feels
>>>>> around on the counter again for the cutting board, using her sense of
>>>>> touch to make
>>>>> sure the parsley is lined up just right.

>>>>> Then, without an ounce of fear, she begins chopping up the parsley with
>>>>> the fast-moving technique employed by professional chefs - because she
>>>>> is
>>>>> one.

>>>>> Martinez works as a chef in the kitchen of Charlie Trotter's, an
>>>>> exclusive
>>>>> gourmet restaurant in Chicago.

>>>>> She also happens to be blind.

>>>>> Fast learner gets inspiration

>>>>> When Martinez was little, she did not realize she was different from
>>>>> anyone else. She thought everyone lived in darkness. She adapted to it.

>>>>> She wanted to become a surgeon someday.

>>>>> "I always liked knives," she said with a smile.

>>>>> When she got older, she learned that she had been diagnosed with
>>>>> retinal
>>>>> blastoma, a type of cancer of the eyes, as a very young child. That is
>>>>> what caused
>>>>> her blindness.

>>>>> Doctors removed one eye. Then the chemotherapy and radiation used to
>>>>> treat
>>>>> the cancer ultimately ruined the vision in her other eye.

>>>>> Martinez cannot see anything. She cannot even detect light.

>>>>> In fact, she cannot remember ever seeing anything at all. She uses her
>>>>> active imagination instead.

>>>>> She is also a fast learner, which came in handy after spending her
>>>>> early
>>>>> childhood in a Mexican town that did not have a school for the blind or
>>>>> special
>>>>> education classes. The closest school she could have attended was a
>>>>> three-hour car ride away.

>>>>> So, she stayed home and never learned to read or write in Spanish,
>>>>> English
>>>>> or Braille until the family moved to Moline. She began her formal
>>>>> education at the
>>>>> age of 10.

>>>>> Martinez caught up eventually, blossoming even more when she reached
>>>>> Moline High School and met her one-on-one education aide, Pam
>>>>> McDermott.
>>>>> The two spent
>>>>> every school day together, starting when Martinez was 15, and they
>>>>> remain
>>>>> very close.

>>>>> McDermott spent a lot of time talking to Martinez, describing
>>>>> situations
>>>>> and reading her books about the blind-and-deaf pioneer Helen Keller and
>>>>> other people
>>>>> who overcame life's challenges.

>>>>> Martinez's mother does not speak English. Neither did her late father.

>>>>> McDermott found herself explaining so many unexpected things to the
>>>>> quiet,
>>>>> shy teenager - such as what flirting is and how some people have
>>>>> different
>>>>> skin
>>>>> colors. She hated to be the one to tell her, but the subject came up at
>>>>> school.

>>>>> Martinez began to dream about her future, but she faced people who told
>>>>> her, "You can't do that. You're blind. There's no way," she said.

>>>>> "Kids would not come near me," Martinez said. "I was afraid to talk or
>>>>> do
>>>>> anything. But I don't give up."

>>>>> McDermott's influence helped open a whole new world of possibilities
>>>>> for
>>>>> her, Martinez said.

>>>>> She learned to play piano. She moved away to take life-skills classes
>>>>> for
>>>>> the blind. She took community college classes.

>>>>> She dreamed about becoming a psychologist.

>>>>> Eventually her interest turned to cooking. She figured it might be a
>>>>> little like surgery. Why not give it a try?

>>>>> Martinez knew she would have to work harder than most to

>>>>> convince people that she could work as a chef. And she was up to the
>>>>> challenge.

>>>>> "I don't give up," she said.

>>>>> Culinary school brings challenges

>>>>> Martinez applied to the Le Cordon Bleu Culinary School in Chicago, an
>>>>> open-enrollment institution where most people are accepted as students
>>>>> but
>>>>> not everyone
>>>>> graduates from the program, said Marshall Shafkowitz, the school's vice
>>>>> president of academic affairs and student services. The curriculum is
>>>>> tough.

>>>>> So was Shafkowitz, who admits he was "the biggest skeptic" when it came
>>>>> to
>>>>> considering how a blind student could succeed at Le Cordon Bleu. The
>>>>> school had
>>>>> never enrolled a visually impaired student before Martinez, he said.

>>>>> Initially, he was concerned how her presence in the classroom might
>>>>> impact
>>>>> the other students' learning. Then he worried about how the teachers
>>>>> could
>>>>> present
>>>>> the same curriculum, without lowering their standards, but do so in a
>>>>> way
>>>>> that would accommodate her.

>>>>> He did not know whether she could handle the fast-paced environment of
>>>>> working in a commercial kitchen, which is so much different than
>>>>> cooking
>>>>> at home.

>>>>> "It's a faster pace, with bigger knives and a lot more fire," he said.

>>>>> After watching Martinez at school and witnessing her "drive and desire"
>>>>> to
>>>>> become a chef, Shafkowitz said he was amazed. He said her heightened
>>>>> focus
>>>>> via
>>>>> the other senses, in the absence of sight, is her "superpower."

>>>>> "Her sense of touch is amazing," he said. "The only way I can describe
>>>>> it
>>>>> is the touch that a surgeon has when they're working on your organs.
>>>>> She
>>>>> just
>>>>> has that delicate way with a knife."

>>>>> "She's not going to let anything hold her back," he added. "I think
>>>>> that's
>>>>> 90 percent of who Laura is. Nobody's going to tell her no."

>>>>> The school hired an aide to help her get around. She labeled things in
>>>>> Braille.

>>>>> Mostly, though, she learned by using her hands to feel everything -
>>>>> especially the food she was preparing and cooking. She uses her sense
>>>>> of
>>>>> smell to figure
>>>>> out which spices to use. She uses both senses to determine whether meat
>>>>> and other dishes are done.

>>>>> Her favorite culinary class was the one in which she learned how to
>>>>> debone
>>>>> chicken and take the fat off beef before cutting it into chunks and
>>>>> feeding it
>>>>> into a grinder. The teacher asked everyone to close their eyes and feel
>>>>> the joints and bones, the meat and the fat. That's how they learned
>>>>> where
>>>>> and what
>>>>> to cut, Martinez said.

>>>>> "Fat feels different. It feels slippery, kind of like Jell-O," she
>>>>> said.
>>>>> "I focus on the smell, sound and the feel."

>>>>> An article about the school's first blind student was published in the
>>>>> Chicago Tribune during December, which inspired the "CBS Evening News"
>>>>> to
>>>>> feature
>>>>> her on national television. During the filming of that segment, CBS
>>>>> brought along internationally famous chef Charlie Trotter.

>>>>> They hoped he would observe Martinez in the kitchen and maybe give her
>>>>> some advice.

>>>>> What he ended up giving her was a job offer: to work as a chef at his
>>>>> exclusive Charlie Trotter's restaurant in Chicago. No one expected
>>>>> that,
>>>>> least of
>>>>> all Martinez.

>>>>> "It's a big honor for me," she said. "It's very exclusive."

>>>>> Rochelle Smith Trotter, a spokeswoman for the Charlie Trotter Corp.,
>>>>> said
>>>>> Chef Trotter was very taken by Martinez's

>>>>> passion for food and her strong determination - "two attributes which
>>>>> he
>>>>> utilizes to evaluate any potential team member," she said.

>>>>> Martinez graduated Feb. 11 from Le Cordon Bleu. A week later, she began
>>>>> working at Trotter's, where she is familiarizing herself with the
>>>>> kitchen
>>>>> and the
>>>>> restaurant's French-contemporary gourmet cuisine.

>>>>> "We use very expensive herbs from all over the world," she said,
>>>>> sniffing
>>>>> assorted spices in plastic containers at her childhood home in Moline.

>>>>> She kept picking up the spices and putting them down, hunting for just
>>>>> the
>>>>> right one to season the sauce for her lasagna.

>>>>> "Where's the salt?" she asked.

>>>>> Still dreaming

>>>>> Reaching her arms out in front of her, feeling for walls or other
>>>>> obstacles she might bump into, Martinez moves around the kitchen in
>>>>> Moline. She is lost
>>>>> because her family recently remodeled.

>>>>> "Where is the trash can?" she asks.

>>>>> She feels around until she finds the sink to wash her hands, which she
>>>>> does repeatedly. She needs to stay cleaner than a sighted person, she
>>>>> says, for food
>>>>> safety and sanitation reasons. That is because she touches the food
>>>>> that
>>>>> she cooks a lot.

>>>>> Sometimes she browses cookbooks written in Braille or recorded on CD,
>>>>> but
>>>>> she likes to make up her own dishes or give her own special twist to an
>>>>> old favorite.
>>>>> For example, she added grated jalapeno pepper to her lasagna, just to
>>>>> give
>>>>> it some kick, she said.

>>>>> She imagines herself someday opening a restaurant in Miami, offering a
>>>>> mix
>>>>> of French, Italian, Mexican and Asian cuisines. She would call the
>>>>> place
>>>>> La Diosa,
>>>>> which, she said, is Spanish for "The Goddess."

>>>>> To those who might scoff at the idea, she says, "I'm not giving up."

>>>>> Skeptics don't discourage her. They just "give me the energy to fight,"
>>>>> she added.

>>>>> "I just say, 'I have to work harder to show you that I can.' "

>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:42 PM
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and increasing sensation of blindness

>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>> I use my cane while holding someone's arm all the time. However, I do
>>>>>> not consider it "sighted guide" so much as keeping with my friend who
>>>>>> knows the way...especially since the person who usually does this with
>>>>>> me is my legally blind boyfriend. I hold his arm for balance
>>>>>> primarily, and to keep track of where he is, as I have no peripheral
>>>>>> vision. As we walk, he might point things out to me that I would miss
>>>>>> with my cane no matter what (the mailboxes that stick out at
>>>>>> head-height, the wet branches in front of my face, etcetra). I use my
>>>>>> cane so he can concentrate on where we are going and things in front
>>>>>> of us. I find the curbs and steps on my own, and sometimes if the
>>>>>> light is too low, I find curbs and such for the both of us, as he is
>>>>>> not as good with the cane (lack of practice!).

>>>>>> I find that if I take someone's arm, I am far less likely to learn the
>>>>>> route. I have done entire routes on someone's arm that, looking back,
>>>>>> I couldn't tell you the first thing. This is partly because of my poor
>>>>>> memory, but also because when I hold someone's arm, unless I'm in
>>>>>> charge of navigation (which does occur sometimes), I let that work go,
>>>>>> and concentrate more on balance, what my cane is finding, and sounds.
>>>>>> I can enjoy myself a bit better this way.

>>>>>> Personally, I think holding someone's arm and using a cane at the same
>>>>>> time is perfectly fine. That's just my opinion, so feel free to shoot
>>>>>> me down, but that won't stop me from doing it myself! I don't like to
>>>>>> put all the responsibility on the other person, no matter how good a
>>>>>> guide they are...though there is one exception. My O&M instructor
>>>>>> would do sighted guide with me to get quickly to a location, and my
>>>>>> cane just got in his way, and he was very good at guiding (he better
>>>>>> be, since he teaches other people how to be sighted guides, too!), so
>>>>>> I allow my cane to remain at my side, ready to pull out if I should
>>>>>> need it, but I put my trust in him.

>>>>>> ~Jewel

>>>>>> On 5/3/10, clinton waterbury <clinton.waterbury at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> As far as the cane issue goes, when I was about three years of age, I
>>>>>>> started learning how to use the cane.

>>>>>>> The only problem was that I would flat out refuse to use it until the
>>>>>>> time I
>>>>>>> was about five.

>>>>>>> The travel instructor finally said "Ok, you don't want to use it?
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> it from you."

>>>>>>> At that point, I tried and faled miserably to walk around without it!

>>>>>>> At the day's end, I did get the cane back, and have been using it
>>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>> since.
>>>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

>>>>>>>> Hi guys: I'm curious as to is it fine to use a cane while going
>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>> guide with someone? for instance suppose the person whom I'm going
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> never done sighted guide with a blind person, thus doesn't know to
>>>>>>>> alert
>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>> of steps and the like. So I was thinking that if this technique is
>>>>>>>> fine
>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> use it can serve two purposes:
>>>>>>>> 1.-Be able to go along sighted guide but at the same time being able
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> oneself find and sort obstacles the sighted person might not have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> mind

>>>>>>>> to let us know.
>>>>>>>> 2.-Be able to start mapping in our minds the route following, thus
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> easier to get to know the route by ourselves.
>>>>>>>> Also I've got another subject on my mind, thus sending in the same
>>>>>>>> email:
>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>> it normal that when using a cane I have conflict in using it? though
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> the cane is how we get around by ourselves thanks to a bad
>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> studying for a diploma in Humanistic Therapy some years ago in that
>>>>>>>> when I

>>>>>>>> wanted to use the cane again after some years of having it dusting,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> held

>>>>>>>> it in my hand but wasn't able to use it at ease because memories of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> experience came flooding back. fortunately I've been able to work
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>> but am curious as to know if this has happened to you guys? It's a
>>>>>>>> conflict
>>>>>>>> because for one I'm aware that the cane makes us unique as blind
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> lets us move around by ourselves but also because here in Mexico the
>>>>>>>> blind

>>>>>>>> aren't viewed as equals in some respects, thus when using the cane
>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> the feeling that lets blindness show even more, making the sighted
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> feel ill at ease; speaking from experience in another country when I
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the US you guys don't have to cope with these things because of how
>>>>>>>> advanced
>>>>>>>> you guys are in the work you've done all these years. some day I
>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> able to be like you guys and really live by your standards, thus
>>>>>>>> hoping
>>>>>>>> these questions bring on a good discussion from which more than one
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> learn something new and enrich the topic of appreciating our roots
>>>>>>>> brought

>>>>>>>> on recently.
>>>>>>>> Gerardo


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>>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com

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