[nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?

Dennis Clark dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net
Tue Sep 28 16:25:42 UTC 2010


Extremely well stated Joe.
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:38 AM
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> Darrel,
>
> I'm a little late in entering the thread, but excellent post as is typical
> when you can be coaxed to come out of lurking. (grin)
>
> I agree with Darrel's viewpoint.  I'm a little bummed by people who do not
> chalk up this lady's success to be anything special, because to a certain
> extent blind people need some type of media coverage to report on what 
> blind
> people are doing.  Unless a blind reporter is capturing the story, we 
> can't
> count on a perfect story to be told, and isn't it better for the public to
> hear stories of blind people actively working in the general public than 
> to
> continue to rely on perceptions that blind people are still helpless and
> unemployable?
>
> I do not agree with this notion that blind people should try to blend in 
> so
> much that our individual achievements are overshadowed by a persistent 
> need
> to be thought of as "normal."  Normal is an elusive concept, and I
> personally celebrate anyone's accomplishment whether it's graduating from
> high school or learning the first six letters in the Braille alphabet.  If
> people's individual successes are so mundane, the kernel books were a 
> waste
> of time and resources, and we may as well stop publishing most of the
> Braille Monitor...
>
> Alternatively, if the media is not covering the types of success we want 
> the
> public to hear about, why aren't we doing more to get out there and convey 
> a
> more positive image?
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darrel kirby
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:22 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
>
> I have been watching this thread closely and I find it very
> interesting. I
> feel that my current employment is rather normal. I strive to do my job
> well. I am currently employed full-time as a therapist within the
> Psychiatric Services Department of a large hospital. I often hear things
> like "you are so amazing" and so on. I know that what I do is quite
> ordinary. I use blind-skills in my life and at my job, but my
> education and
> practice to become a great therapist is not learned through
> instruction/education focused on visual techniques.  I do my
> job well and
> strive to be the best therapist I can be, but acknowledge that
> blindness is
> not a significant factor in becoming the therapist I want to become.
>
> However, when I read this article, I was amazed with this
> woman. I thought
> her courage and hard work in overcoming  barriers is very
> impressive. I also
> recognize that she has dove into a profession that very few blind people
> have had the courage to explore. I asked a friend of mine about
> the teaching
> approaches of instructors in a Culinary School. He stated that the
> techniques are presented in mostly visual methods, but also
> recognized the
> importance of "hands-on" learning. My point being, I do thing
> this woman's
> ability to gain the skill and knowledge  of professional cooking from
> "standard" methods of Culinary Arts instruction is
> extraordnary. I do not
> believe that it takes a "super blind" person to become a blind chef or a
> "super genious" to do what this young woman has accomplished,
> but I think
> from her story that she has a drive and determination that is amazing -
> whether she has sight or not.
> With all that being said, the author of the article should not
> be expected
> to know what it means to be blind by spending a few moments
> with one blind
> person. The over-all theme of the article gave credit to this
> individual and
> her drive to not let her blindness slow her down. Although not
> the perfectly
> written article from a blind person's perspective, it was an
> inspirational
> and educational article to read.
>
> Just My Opinion,
>
> Darrel Kirby
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mary Fernandez
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 2:25 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
>
> Hey all,
> Thanks Jedi for the .input   I could not have said it better. I truly
> understand how strong and incredible this woman is.
> Think about it.
> Her primary challenge wasn't so much that she was blind, but her life's
> circumstances, over coming poverty, language barrier, not getting
> appropriate services and such. Add to that her blindness and
> you really have
> to possess a lot of determination to do what she has. But this
> article in my
> opinion , makes it sound like if it hadn't been for the sighted
> assistants
> and what not, she wouldn't have made it. The whole holding your
> hands out
> and being lost in your own home, and the way they described her
> searching
> for the right knife is just not right. I mean, you don't see many
> articles saying, oh look, Emerald peered closely at his knifes, being
> careful not to touch the blade unless he cut himself. Just my thoughts.
> Mary
> On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Jedi wrote:
>
>> Hey, didn't you happen to notice that the things she could do were
> attributed to some superhuman ability to touch or smell or
> hear, and that
> the writer described her movements around the kitchen at school
> and home in
> much the same way the stereotypical blind person is thought to
> move around
> (helpless, lost, hands out in front of them, etc). That's
> pretty southward
> to me. I doubt that's how Martinez wanted to be portrayed.
> While the article
> doesn't minimize her accomplishments, it's definitely a juxtiposition
> between her real capability and what people really think
> blindness is all
> about. Did you also happen to notice the whole Helen Keller theme where
> Martinez was sort of brought into the world by an ever-patient sighted
> mentor? Hmmmm. I can understand why Andy feels angry.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Jedi
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Hello Andy,
>>> I thought it was excellent.  I kept waiting for it to go
> South but in my
>>> opinion it didn't.  I do not think any of us who are totally
> blind are
> ever
>>> going to impress sighted people more than this woman has
> done.  Blindness
> is
>>> a disability, even though many blind people argue that it
> isn't.  When I
>>> hear that argument being made, it  is always clear to me that its
> proponent
>>> is trying to convince him or her self of its truth.  No
> sighted person is
>>> ever going to buy it.  This woman is at the top of her game, and for
> those
>>> not familiar with Chicago, this restaurant is extremely
> exclusive, and
> this
>>> article will do a lot to help us as a group be perceived as
> having the
>>> ability to be competent despite blindness.  Most sighted
> people know that
>>> this blind woman is outperforming them, because they themselves could
> never
>>> get a job as a chef at a restaurant like this one.
>>> Happy cooking,
>>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Andi" <adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:16 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
>>
>>
>>>> i   read this article, and was excited about this womans
> success but was
>>>> angry about how the writer of the article portrayed her!  I
> have also
> been
>>>> rongly portrayed in newspaper articals as I am sure many of
> you have.  I
>>>> find news papers like to make a spectical of any one with a
> "disability"
>>>> that does anything remotely normal and even more of a side show of
> someone
>>>> who does something most "able bodied" people would have
> trouble doing.
>>>> This makes me angry because they take a positive advancement for the
> blind
>>>> and turn it in to a condescension of the blind.  How do you all feel
> about
>>>> this and other articals like it.  Do you have any
> sugjestions on how to
>>>> redirect it back to a positive to the world?
>>
>>
>>>> Blind chef gains national acclaim
>>>> local/article_9884f76e-5023-11df-a9be-001cc4c03286 frame
>>>> local/article_9884f76e-5023-11df-a9be-001cc4c03286 frame end
>>>> the quad-city times
>>
>>>> FORMER MOLINE RESIDENT COOKS AT GOURMET RESTAURANT IN CHICAGO
>>
>>>> Blind chef gains national acclaim
>>
>>>> Kay Luna | Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:15 am
>>
>>>> Laura Martinez reaches out her hands, delicately running her fingers
> atop
>>>> the kitchen counter and across several sharp knives and a vegetable
>>>> grater.
>>
>>>> She isn't afraid of getting cut.
>>
>>>> She never does, Martinez says.
>>
>>>> Picking up a very large knife, she feels the top of the blade.
>>
>>>> "This one is for vegetables," the 25-year-old former
> resident of Moline
>>>> softly says. "It has ridges."
>>
>>>> The other knife is even longer and heavier. She picks it
> up, explaining
>>>> that this one is called a chef's knife and she uses it to cut meat.
>>
>>>> But right now, Martinez needs to dice some fresh parsley.
> So, she feels
>>>> around on the counter again for the cutting board, using
> her sense of
>>>> touch to make
>>>> sure the parsley is lined up just right.
>>
>>>> Then, without an ounce of fear, she begins chopping up the
> parsley with
>>>> the fast-moving technique employed by professional chefs -
> because she
> is
>>>> one.
>>
>>>> Martinez works as a chef in the kitchen of Charlie Trotter's, an
> exclusive
>>>> gourmet restaurant in Chicago.
>>
>>>> She also happens to be blind.
>>
>>>> Fast learner gets inspiration
>>
>>>> When Martinez was little, she did not realize she was different from
>>>> anyone else. She thought everyone lived in darkness. She
> adapted to it.
>>
>>>> She wanted to become a surgeon someday.
>>
>>>> "I always liked knives," she said with a smile.
>>
>>>> When she got older, she learned that she had been diagnosed
> with retinal
>>>> blastoma, a type of cancer of the eyes, as a very young
> child. That is
>>>> what caused
>>>> her blindness.
>>
>>>> Doctors removed one eye. Then the chemotherapy and radiation used to
> treat
>>>> the cancer ultimately ruined the vision in her other eye.
>>
>>>> Martinez cannot see anything. She cannot even detect light.
>>
>>>> In fact, she cannot remember ever seeing anything at all.
> She uses her
>>>> active imagination instead.
>>
>>>> She is also a fast learner, which came in handy after
> spending her early
>>>> childhood in a Mexican town that did not have a school for
> the blind or
>>>> special
>>>> education classes. The closest school she could have attended was a
>>>> three-hour car ride away.
>>
>>>> So, she stayed home and never learned to read or write in Spanish,
> English
>>>> or Braille until the family moved to Moline. She began her formal
>>>> education at the
>>>> age of 10.
>>
>>>> Martinez caught up eventually, blossoming even more when she reached
>>>> Moline High School and met her one-on-one education aide,
> Pam McDermott.
>>>> The two spent
>>>> every school day together, starting when Martinez was 15, and they
> remain
>>>> very close.
>>
>>>> McDermott spent a lot of time talking to Martinez,
> describing situations
>>>> and reading her books about the blind-and-deaf pioneer
> Helen Keller and
>>>> other people
>>>> who overcame life's challenges.
>>
>>>> Martinez's mother does not speak English. Neither did her
> late father.
>>
>>>> McDermott found herself explaining so many unexpected things to the
> quiet,
>>>> shy teenager - such as what flirting is and how some people have
> different
>>>> skin
>>>> colors. She hated to be the one to tell her, but the
> subject came up at
>>>> school.
>>
>>>> Martinez began to dream about her future, but she faced
> people who told
>>>> her, "You can't do that. You're blind. There's no way," she said.
>>
>>>> "Kids would not come near me," Martinez said. "I was afraid
> to talk or
> do
>>>> anything. But I don't give up."
>>
>>>> McDermott's influence helped open a whole new world of
> possibilities for
>>>> her, Martinez said.
>>
>>>> She learned to play piano. She moved away to take
> life-skills classes
> for
>>>> the blind. She took community college classes.
>>
>>>> She dreamed about becoming a psychologist.
>>
>>>> Eventually her interest turned to cooking. She figured it might be a
>>>> little like surgery. Why not give it a try?
>>
>>>> Martinez knew she would have to work harder than most to
>>
>>>> convince people that she could work as a chef. And she was up to the
>>>> challenge.
>>
>>>> "I don't give up," she said.
>>
>>>> Culinary school brings challenges
>>
>>>> Martinez applied to the Le Cordon Bleu Culinary School in
> Chicago, an
>>>> open-enrollment institution where most people are accepted
> as students
> but
>>>> not everyone
>>>> graduates from the program, said Marshall Shafkowitz, the
> school's vice
>>>> president of academic affairs and student services. The
> curriculum is
>>>> tough.
>>
>>>> So was Shafkowitz, who admits he was "the biggest skeptic"
> when it came
> to
>>>> considering how a blind student could succeed at Le Cordon Bleu. The
>>>> school had
>>>> never enrolled a visually impaired student before Martinez, he said.
>>
>>>> Initially, he was concerned how her presence in the classroom might
> impact
>>>> the other students' learning. Then he worried about how the teachers
> could
>>>> present
>>>> the same curriculum, without lowering their standards, but
> do so in a
> way
>>>> that would accommodate her.
>>
>>>> He did not know whether she could handle the fast-paced
> environment of
>>>> working in a commercial kitchen, which is so much different
> than cooking
>>>> at home.
>>
>>>> "It's a faster pace, with bigger knives and a lot more
> fire," he said.
>>
>>>> After watching Martinez at school and witnessing her "drive
> and desire"
> to
>>>> become a chef, Shafkowitz said he was amazed. He said her heightened
> focus
>>>> via
>>>> the other senses, in the absence of sight, is her "superpower."
>>
>>>> "Her sense of touch is amazing," he said. "The only way I
> can describe
> it
>>>> is the touch that a surgeon has when they're working on
> your organs. She
>>>> just
>>>> has that delicate way with a knife."
>>
>>>> "She's not going to let anything hold her back," he added. "I think
> that's
>>>> 90 percent of who Laura is. Nobody's going to tell her no."
>>
>>>> The school hired an aide to help her get around. She
> labeled things in
>>>> Braille.
>>
>>>> Mostly, though, she learned by using her hands to feel everything -
>>>> especially the food she was preparing and cooking. She uses
> her sense of
>>>> smell to figure
>>>> out which spices to use. She uses both senses to determine
> whether meat
>>>> and other dishes are done.
>>
>>>> Her favorite culinary class was the one in which she learned how to
> debone
>>>> chicken and take the fat off beef before cutting it into chunks and
>>>> feeding it
>>>> into a grinder. The teacher asked everyone to close their
> eyes and feel
>>>> the joints and bones, the meat and the fat. That's how they learned
> where
>>>> and what
>>>> to cut, Martinez said.
>>
>>>> "Fat feels different. It feels slippery, kind of like
> Jell-O," she said.
>>>> "I focus on the smell, sound and the feel."
>>
>>>> An article about the school's first blind student was
> published in the
>>>> Chicago Tribune during December, which inspired the "CBS
> Evening News"
> to
>>>> feature
>>>> her on national television. During the filming of that segment, CBS
>>>> brought along internationally famous chef Charlie Trotter.
>>
>>>> They hoped he would observe Martinez in the kitchen and
> maybe give her
>>>> some advice.
>>
>>>> What he ended up giving her was a job offer: to work as a
> chef at his
>>>> exclusive Charlie Trotter's restaurant in Chicago. No one
> expected that,
>>>> least of
>>>> all Martinez.
>>
>>>> "It's a big honor for me," she said. "It's very exclusive."
>>
>>>> Rochelle Smith Trotter, a spokeswoman for the Charlie Trotter Corp.,
> said
>>>> Chef Trotter was very taken by Martinez's
>>
>>>> passion for food and her strong determination - "two
> attributes which he
>>>> utilizes to evaluate any potential team member," she said.
>>
>>>> Martinez graduated Feb. 11 from Le Cordon Bleu. A week
> later, she began
>>>> working at Trotter's, where she is familiarizing herself with the
> kitchen
>>>> and the
>>>> restaurant's French-contemporary gourmet cuisine.
>>
>>>> "We use very expensive herbs from all over the world," she said,
> sniffing
>>>> assorted spices in plastic containers at her childhood home
> in Moline.
>>
>>>> She kept picking up the spices and putting them down,
> hunting for just
> the
>>>> right one to season the sauce for her lasagna.
>>
>>>> "Where's the salt?" she asked.
>>
>>>> Still dreaming
>>
>>>> Reaching her arms out in front of her, feeling for walls or other
>>>> obstacles she might bump into, Martinez moves around the kitchen in
>>>> Moline. She is lost
>>>> because her family recently remodeled.
>>
>>>> "Where is the trash can?" she asks.
>>
>>>> She feels around until she finds the sink to wash her
> hands, which she
>>>> does repeatedly. She needs to stay cleaner than a sighted
> person, she
>>>> says, for food
>>>> safety and sanitation reasons. That is because she touches
> the food that
>>>> she cooks a lot.
>>
>>>> Sometimes she browses cookbooks written in Braille or
> recorded on CD,
> but
>>>> she likes to make up her own dishes or give her own special
> twist to an
>>>> old favorite.
>>>> For example, she added grated jalapeno pepper to her
> lasagna, just to
> give
>>>> it some kick, she said.
>>
>>>> She imagines herself someday opening a restaurant in Miami,
> offering a
> mix
>>>> of French, Italian, Mexican and Asian cuisines. She would
> call the place
>>>> La Diosa,
>>>> which, she said, is Spanish for "The Goddess."
>>
>>>> To those who might scoff at the idea, she says, "I'm not giving up."
>>
>>>> Skeptics don't discourage her. They just "give me the
> energy to fight,"
>>>> she added.
>>
>>>> "I just say, 'I have to work harder to show you that I can.' "
>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:42 PM
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and increasing sensation of blindness
>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>
>>>>> I use my cane while holding someone's arm all the time.
> However, I do
>>>>> not consider it "sighted guide" so much as keeping with my
> friend who
>>>>> knows the way...especially since the person who usually
> does this with
>>>>> me is my legally blind boyfriend. I hold his arm for balance
>>>>> primarily, and to keep track of where he is, as I have no
> peripheral
>>>>> vision. As we walk, he might point things out to me that I
> would miss
>>>>> with my cane no matter what (the mailboxes that stick out at
>>>>> head-height, the wet branches in front of my face,
> etcetra). I use my
>>>>> cane so he can concentrate on where we are going and
> things in front
>>>>> of us. I find the curbs and steps on my own, and sometimes if the
>>>>> light is too low, I find curbs and such for the both of
> us, as he is
>>>>> not as good with the cane (lack of practice!).
>>
>>>>> I find that if I take someone's arm, I am far less likely
> to learn the
>>>>> route. I have done entire routes on someone's arm that,
> looking back,
>>>>> I couldn't tell you the first thing. This is partly
> because of my poor
>>>>> memory, but also because when I hold someone's arm, unless I'm in
>>>>> charge of navigation (which does occur sometimes), I let
> that work go,
>>>>> and concentrate more on balance, what my cane is finding,
> and sounds.
>>>>> I can enjoy myself a bit better this way.
>>
>>>>> Personally, I think holding someone's arm and using a cane
> at the same
>>>>> time is perfectly fine. That's just my opinion, so feel
> free to shoot
>>>>> me down, but that won't stop me from doing it myself! I
> don't like to
>>>>> put all the responsibility on the other person, no matter
> how good a
>>>>> guide they are...though there is one exception. My O&M instructor
>>>>> would do sighted guide with me to get quickly to a location, and my
>>>>> cane just got in his way, and he was very good at guiding
> (he better
>>>>> be, since he teaches other people how to be sighted
> guides, too!), so
>>>>> I allow my cane to remain at my side, ready to pull out if I should
>>>>> need it, but I put my trust in him.
>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>
>>>>> On 5/3/10, clinton waterbury <clinton.waterbury at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As far as the cane issue goes, when I was about three
> years of age, I
>>>>>> started learning how to use the cane.
>>
>>>>>> The only problem was that I would flat out refuse to use
> it until the
>>>>>> time I
>>>>>> was about five.
>>
>>>>>> The travel instructor finally said "Ok, you don't want to use it?
> I'll
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> it from you."
>>
>>>>>> At that point, I tried and faled miserably to walk around
> without it!
>>
>>>>>> At the day's end, I did get the cane back, and have been
> using it ever
>>>>>> since.
>>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys: I'm curious as to is it fine to use a cane while going
> sighted
>>>>>>> guide with someone? for instance suppose the person whom
> I'm going
> with
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> never done sighted guide with a blind person, thus
> doesn't know to
>>>>>>> alert
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> of steps and the like. So I was thinking that if this
> technique is
> fine
>>>>>>> to
>>
>>>>>>> use it can serve two purposes:
>>>>>>> 1.-Be able to go along sighted guide but at the same
> time being able
> to
>>>>>>> oneself find and sort obstacles the sighted person might
> not have the
>>>>>>> mind
>>
>>>>>>> to let us know.
>>>>>>> 2.-Be able to start mapping in our minds the route
> following, thus
> make
>>>>>>> it
>>
>>>>>>> easier to get to know the route by ourselves.
>>>>>>> Also I've got another subject on my mind, thus sending
> in the same
>>>>>>> email:
>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>> it normal that when using a cane I have conflict in
> using it? though
> I
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> the cane is how we get around by ourselves thanks to a
> bad experience
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> studying for a diploma in Humanistic Therapy some years
> ago in that
>>>>>>> when I
>>
>>>>>>> wanted to use the cane again after some years of having
> it dusting, I
>>>>>>> held
>>
>>>>>>> it in my hand but wasn't able to use it at ease because
> memories of
> the
>>>>>>> experience came flooding back. fortunately I've been able to work
> them
>>>>>>> out
>>
>>>>>>> but am curious as to know if this has happened to you
> guys? It's a
>>>>>>> conflict
>>>>>>> because for one I'm aware that the cane makes us unique as blind
> people
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> lets us move around by ourselves but also because here
> in Mexico the
>>>>>>> blind
>>
>>>>>>> aren't viewed as equals in some respects, thus when
> using the cane
>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> the feeling that lets blindness show even more, making
> the sighted
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> feel ill at ease; speaking from experience in another
> country when I
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the US you guys don't have to cope with these things
> because of how
>>>>>>> advanced
>>>>>>> you guys are in the work you've done all these years.
> some day I hope
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> able to be like you guys and really live by your standards, thus
> hoping
>>>>>>> these questions bring on a good discussion from which
> more than one
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> learn something new and enrich the topic of appreciating
> our roots
>>>>>>> brought
>>
>>>>>>> on recently.
>>>>>>> Gerardo
>>
>>
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