[nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
Joe Orozco
jsorozco at gmail.com
Tue Sep 28 15:38:18 UTC 2010
Darrel,
I'm a little late in entering the thread, but excellent post as is typical
when you can be coaxed to come out of lurking. (grin)
I agree with Darrel's viewpoint. I'm a little bummed by people who do not
chalk up this lady's success to be anything special, because to a certain
extent blind people need some type of media coverage to report on what blind
people are doing. Unless a blind reporter is capturing the story, we can't
count on a perfect story to be told, and isn't it better for the public to
hear stories of blind people actively working in the general public than to
continue to rely on perceptions that blind people are still helpless and
unemployable?
I do not agree with this notion that blind people should try to blend in so
much that our individual achievements are overshadowed by a persistent need
to be thought of as "normal." Normal is an elusive concept, and I
personally celebrate anyone's accomplishment whether it's graduating from
high school or learning the first six letters in the Braille alphabet. If
people's individual successes are so mundane, the kernel books were a waste
of time and resources, and we may as well stop publishing most of the
Braille Monitor...
Alternatively, if the media is not covering the types of success we want the
public to hear about, why aren't we doing more to get out there and convey a
more positive image?
Best,
Joe
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of darrel kirby
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:22 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
I have been watching this thread closely and I find it very
interesting. I
feel that my current employment is rather normal. I strive to do my job
well. I am currently employed full-time as a therapist within the
Psychiatric Services Department of a large hospital. I often hear things
like "you are so amazing" and so on. I know that what I do is quite
ordinary. I use blind-skills in my life and at my job, but my
education and
practice to become a great therapist is not learned through
instruction/education focused on visual techniques. I do my
job well and
strive to be the best therapist I can be, but acknowledge that
blindness is
not a significant factor in becoming the therapist I want to become.
However, when I read this article, I was amazed with this
woman. I thought
her courage and hard work in overcoming barriers is very
impressive. I also
recognize that she has dove into a profession that very few blind people
have had the courage to explore. I asked a friend of mine about
the teaching
approaches of instructors in a Culinary School. He stated that the
techniques are presented in mostly visual methods, but also
recognized the
importance of "hands-on" learning. My point being, I do thing
this woman's
ability to gain the skill and knowledge of professional cooking from
"standard" methods of Culinary Arts instruction is
extraordnary. I do not
believe that it takes a "super blind" person to become a blind chef or a
"super genious" to do what this young woman has accomplished,
but I think
from her story that she has a drive and determination that is amazing -
whether she has sight or not.
With all that being said, the author of the article should not
be expected
to know what it means to be blind by spending a few moments
with one blind
person. The over-all theme of the article gave credit to this
individual and
her drive to not let her blindness slow her down. Although not
the perfectly
written article from a blind person's perspective, it was an
inspirational
and educational article to read.
Just My Opinion,
Darrel Kirby
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[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mary Fernandez
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 2:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
Hey all,
Thanks Jedi for the .input I could not have said it better. I truly
understand how strong and incredible this woman is.
Think about it.
Her primary challenge wasn't so much that she was blind, but her life's
circumstances, over coming poverty, language barrier, not getting
appropriate services and such. Add to that her blindness and
you really have
to possess a lot of determination to do what she has. But this
article in my
opinion , makes it sound like if it hadn't been for the sighted
assistants
and what not, she wouldn't have made it. The whole holding your
hands out
and being lost in your own home, and the way they described her
searching
for the right knife is just not right. I mean, you don't see many
articles saying, oh look, Emerald peered closely at his knifes, being
careful not to touch the blade unless he cut himself. Just my thoughts.
Mary
On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Jedi wrote:
> Hey, didn't you happen to notice that the things she could do were
attributed to some superhuman ability to touch or smell or
hear, and that
the writer described her movements around the kitchen at school
and home in
much the same way the stereotypical blind person is thought to
move around
(helpless, lost, hands out in front of them, etc). That's
pretty southward
to me. I doubt that's how Martinez wanted to be portrayed.
While the article
doesn't minimize her accomplishments, it's definitely a juxtiposition
between her real capability and what people really think
blindness is all
about. Did you also happen to notice the whole Helen Keller theme where
Martinez was sort of brought into the world by an ever-patient sighted
mentor? Hmmmm. I can understand why Andy feels angry.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Original message:
>> Hello Andy,
>> I thought it was excellent. I kept waiting for it to go
South but in my
>> opinion it didn't. I do not think any of us who are totally
blind are
ever
>> going to impress sighted people more than this woman has
done. Blindness
is
>> a disability, even though many blind people argue that it
isn't. When I
>> hear that argument being made, it is always clear to me that its
proponent
>> is trying to convince him or her self of its truth. No
sighted person is
>> ever going to buy it. This woman is at the top of her game, and for
those
>> not familiar with Chicago, this restaurant is extremely
exclusive, and
this
>> article will do a lot to help us as a group be perceived as
having the
>> ability to be competent despite blindness. Most sighted
people know that
>> this blind woman is outperforming them, because they themselves could
never
>> get a job as a chef at a restaurant like this one.
>> Happy cooking,
>> Dennis
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andi" <adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:16 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
>
>
>>> i read this article, and was excited about this womans
success but was
>>> angry about how the writer of the article portrayed her! I
have also
been
>>> rongly portrayed in newspaper articals as I am sure many of
you have. I
>>> find news papers like to make a spectical of any one with a
"disability"
>>> that does anything remotely normal and even more of a side show of
someone
>>> who does something most "able bodied" people would have
trouble doing.
>>> This makes me angry because they take a positive advancement for the
blind
>>> and turn it in to a condescension of the blind. How do you all feel
about
>>> this and other articals like it. Do you have any
sugjestions on how to
>>> redirect it back to a positive to the world?
>
>
>>> Blind chef gains national acclaim
>>> local/article_9884f76e-5023-11df-a9be-001cc4c03286 frame
>>> local/article_9884f76e-5023-11df-a9be-001cc4c03286 frame end
>>> the quad-city times
>
>>> FORMER MOLINE RESIDENT COOKS AT GOURMET RESTAURANT IN CHICAGO
>
>>> Blind chef gains national acclaim
>
>>> Kay Luna | Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:15 am
>
>>> Laura Martinez reaches out her hands, delicately running her fingers
atop
>>> the kitchen counter and across several sharp knives and a vegetable
>>> grater.
>
>>> She isn't afraid of getting cut.
>
>>> She never does, Martinez says.
>
>>> Picking up a very large knife, she feels the top of the blade.
>
>>> "This one is for vegetables," the 25-year-old former
resident of Moline
>>> softly says. "It has ridges."
>
>>> The other knife is even longer and heavier. She picks it
up, explaining
>>> that this one is called a chef's knife and she uses it to cut meat.
>
>>> But right now, Martinez needs to dice some fresh parsley.
So, she feels
>>> around on the counter again for the cutting board, using
her sense of
>>> touch to make
>>> sure the parsley is lined up just right.
>
>>> Then, without an ounce of fear, she begins chopping up the
parsley with
>>> the fast-moving technique employed by professional chefs -
because she
is
>>> one.
>
>>> Martinez works as a chef in the kitchen of Charlie Trotter's, an
exclusive
>>> gourmet restaurant in Chicago.
>
>>> She also happens to be blind.
>
>>> Fast learner gets inspiration
>
>>> When Martinez was little, she did not realize she was different from
>>> anyone else. She thought everyone lived in darkness. She
adapted to it.
>
>>> She wanted to become a surgeon someday.
>
>>> "I always liked knives," she said with a smile.
>
>>> When she got older, she learned that she had been diagnosed
with retinal
>>> blastoma, a type of cancer of the eyes, as a very young
child. That is
>>> what caused
>>> her blindness.
>
>>> Doctors removed one eye. Then the chemotherapy and radiation used to
treat
>>> the cancer ultimately ruined the vision in her other eye.
>
>>> Martinez cannot see anything. She cannot even detect light.
>
>>> In fact, she cannot remember ever seeing anything at all.
She uses her
>>> active imagination instead.
>
>>> She is also a fast learner, which came in handy after
spending her early
>>> childhood in a Mexican town that did not have a school for
the blind or
>>> special
>>> education classes. The closest school she could have attended was a
>>> three-hour car ride away.
>
>>> So, she stayed home and never learned to read or write in Spanish,
English
>>> or Braille until the family moved to Moline. She began her formal
>>> education at the
>>> age of 10.
>
>>> Martinez caught up eventually, blossoming even more when she reached
>>> Moline High School and met her one-on-one education aide,
Pam McDermott.
>>> The two spent
>>> every school day together, starting when Martinez was 15, and they
remain
>>> very close.
>
>>> McDermott spent a lot of time talking to Martinez,
describing situations
>>> and reading her books about the blind-and-deaf pioneer
Helen Keller and
>>> other people
>>> who overcame life's challenges.
>
>>> Martinez's mother does not speak English. Neither did her
late father.
>
>>> McDermott found herself explaining so many unexpected things to the
quiet,
>>> shy teenager - such as what flirting is and how some people have
different
>>> skin
>>> colors. She hated to be the one to tell her, but the
subject came up at
>>> school.
>
>>> Martinez began to dream about her future, but she faced
people who told
>>> her, "You can't do that. You're blind. There's no way," she said.
>
>>> "Kids would not come near me," Martinez said. "I was afraid
to talk or
do
>>> anything. But I don't give up."
>
>>> McDermott's influence helped open a whole new world of
possibilities for
>>> her, Martinez said.
>
>>> She learned to play piano. She moved away to take
life-skills classes
for
>>> the blind. She took community college classes.
>
>>> She dreamed about becoming a psychologist.
>
>>> Eventually her interest turned to cooking. She figured it might be a
>>> little like surgery. Why not give it a try?
>
>>> Martinez knew she would have to work harder than most to
>
>>> convince people that she could work as a chef. And she was up to the
>>> challenge.
>
>>> "I don't give up," she said.
>
>>> Culinary school brings challenges
>
>>> Martinez applied to the Le Cordon Bleu Culinary School in
Chicago, an
>>> open-enrollment institution where most people are accepted
as students
but
>>> not everyone
>>> graduates from the program, said Marshall Shafkowitz, the
school's vice
>>> president of academic affairs and student services. The
curriculum is
>>> tough.
>
>>> So was Shafkowitz, who admits he was "the biggest skeptic"
when it came
to
>>> considering how a blind student could succeed at Le Cordon Bleu. The
>>> school had
>>> never enrolled a visually impaired student before Martinez, he said.
>
>>> Initially, he was concerned how her presence in the classroom might
impact
>>> the other students' learning. Then he worried about how the teachers
could
>>> present
>>> the same curriculum, without lowering their standards, but
do so in a
way
>>> that would accommodate her.
>
>>> He did not know whether she could handle the fast-paced
environment of
>>> working in a commercial kitchen, which is so much different
than cooking
>>> at home.
>
>>> "It's a faster pace, with bigger knives and a lot more
fire," he said.
>
>>> After watching Martinez at school and witnessing her "drive
and desire"
to
>>> become a chef, Shafkowitz said he was amazed. He said her heightened
focus
>>> via
>>> the other senses, in the absence of sight, is her "superpower."
>
>>> "Her sense of touch is amazing," he said. "The only way I
can describe
it
>>> is the touch that a surgeon has when they're working on
your organs. She
>>> just
>>> has that delicate way with a knife."
>
>>> "She's not going to let anything hold her back," he added. "I think
that's
>>> 90 percent of who Laura is. Nobody's going to tell her no."
>
>>> The school hired an aide to help her get around. She
labeled things in
>>> Braille.
>
>>> Mostly, though, she learned by using her hands to feel everything -
>>> especially the food she was preparing and cooking. She uses
her sense of
>>> smell to figure
>>> out which spices to use. She uses both senses to determine
whether meat
>>> and other dishes are done.
>
>>> Her favorite culinary class was the one in which she learned how to
debone
>>> chicken and take the fat off beef before cutting it into chunks and
>>> feeding it
>>> into a grinder. The teacher asked everyone to close their
eyes and feel
>>> the joints and bones, the meat and the fat. That's how they learned
where
>>> and what
>>> to cut, Martinez said.
>
>>> "Fat feels different. It feels slippery, kind of like
Jell-O," she said.
>>> "I focus on the smell, sound and the feel."
>
>>> An article about the school's first blind student was
published in the
>>> Chicago Tribune during December, which inspired the "CBS
Evening News"
to
>>> feature
>>> her on national television. During the filming of that segment, CBS
>>> brought along internationally famous chef Charlie Trotter.
>
>>> They hoped he would observe Martinez in the kitchen and
maybe give her
>>> some advice.
>
>>> What he ended up giving her was a job offer: to work as a
chef at his
>>> exclusive Charlie Trotter's restaurant in Chicago. No one
expected that,
>>> least of
>>> all Martinez.
>
>>> "It's a big honor for me," she said. "It's very exclusive."
>
>>> Rochelle Smith Trotter, a spokeswoman for the Charlie Trotter Corp.,
said
>>> Chef Trotter was very taken by Martinez's
>
>>> passion for food and her strong determination - "two
attributes which he
>>> utilizes to evaluate any potential team member," she said.
>
>>> Martinez graduated Feb. 11 from Le Cordon Bleu. A week
later, she began
>>> working at Trotter's, where she is familiarizing herself with the
kitchen
>>> and the
>>> restaurant's French-contemporary gourmet cuisine.
>
>>> "We use very expensive herbs from all over the world," she said,
sniffing
>>> assorted spices in plastic containers at her childhood home
in Moline.
>
>>> She kept picking up the spices and putting them down,
hunting for just
the
>>> right one to season the sauce for her lasagna.
>
>>> "Where's the salt?" she asked.
>
>>> Still dreaming
>
>>> Reaching her arms out in front of her, feeling for walls or other
>>> obstacles she might bump into, Martinez moves around the kitchen in
>>> Moline. She is lost
>>> because her family recently remodeled.
>
>>> "Where is the trash can?" she asks.
>
>>> She feels around until she finds the sink to wash her
hands, which she
>>> does repeatedly. She needs to stay cleaner than a sighted
person, she
>>> says, for food
>>> safety and sanitation reasons. That is because she touches
the food that
>>> she cooks a lot.
>
>>> Sometimes she browses cookbooks written in Braille or
recorded on CD,
but
>>> she likes to make up her own dishes or give her own special
twist to an
>>> old favorite.
>>> For example, she added grated jalapeno pepper to her
lasagna, just to
give
>>> it some kick, she said.
>
>>> She imagines herself someday opening a restaurant in Miami,
offering a
mix
>>> of French, Italian, Mexican and Asian cuisines. She would
call the place
>>> La Diosa,
>>> which, she said, is Spanish for "The Goddess."
>
>>> To those who might scoff at the idea, she says, "I'm not giving up."
>
>>> Skeptics don't discourage her. They just "give me the
energy to fight,"
>>> she added.
>
>>> "I just say, 'I have to work harder to show you that I can.' "
>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:42 PM
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and increasing sensation of blindness
>
>>>> Hi,
>
>>>> I use my cane while holding someone's arm all the time.
However, I do
>>>> not consider it "sighted guide" so much as keeping with my
friend who
>>>> knows the way...especially since the person who usually
does this with
>>>> me is my legally blind boyfriend. I hold his arm for balance
>>>> primarily, and to keep track of where he is, as I have no
peripheral
>>>> vision. As we walk, he might point things out to me that I
would miss
>>>> with my cane no matter what (the mailboxes that stick out at
>>>> head-height, the wet branches in front of my face,
etcetra). I use my
>>>> cane so he can concentrate on where we are going and
things in front
>>>> of us. I find the curbs and steps on my own, and sometimes if the
>>>> light is too low, I find curbs and such for the both of
us, as he is
>>>> not as good with the cane (lack of practice!).
>
>>>> I find that if I take someone's arm, I am far less likely
to learn the
>>>> route. I have done entire routes on someone's arm that,
looking back,
>>>> I couldn't tell you the first thing. This is partly
because of my poor
>>>> memory, but also because when I hold someone's arm, unless I'm in
>>>> charge of navigation (which does occur sometimes), I let
that work go,
>>>> and concentrate more on balance, what my cane is finding,
and sounds.
>>>> I can enjoy myself a bit better this way.
>
>>>> Personally, I think holding someone's arm and using a cane
at the same
>>>> time is perfectly fine. That's just my opinion, so feel
free to shoot
>>>> me down, but that won't stop me from doing it myself! I
don't like to
>>>> put all the responsibility on the other person, no matter
how good a
>>>> guide they are...though there is one exception. My O&M instructor
>>>> would do sighted guide with me to get quickly to a location, and my
>>>> cane just got in his way, and he was very good at guiding
(he better
>>>> be, since he teaches other people how to be sighted
guides, too!), so
>>>> I allow my cane to remain at my side, ready to pull out if I should
>>>> need it, but I put my trust in him.
>
>>>> ~Jewel
>
>>>> On 5/3/10, clinton waterbury <clinton.waterbury at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> As far as the cane issue goes, when I was about three
years of age, I
>>>>> started learning how to use the cane.
>
>>>>> The only problem was that I would flat out refuse to use
it until the
>>>>> time I
>>>>> was about five.
>
>>>>> The travel instructor finally said "Ok, you don't want to use it?
I'll
>>>>> take
>>>>> it from you."
>
>>>>> At that point, I tried and faled miserably to walk around
without it!
>
>>>>> At the day's end, I did get the cane back, and have been
using it ever
>>>>> since.
>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
>
>>>>>> Hi guys: I'm curious as to is it fine to use a cane while going
sighted
>>>>>> guide with someone? for instance suppose the person whom
I'm going
with
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> never done sighted guide with a blind person, thus
doesn't know to
>>>>>> alert
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> of steps and the like. So I was thinking that if this
technique is
fine
>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> use it can serve two purposes:
>>>>>> 1.-Be able to go along sighted guide but at the same
time being able
to
>>>>>> oneself find and sort obstacles the sighted person might
not have the
>>>>>> mind
>
>>>>>> to let us know.
>>>>>> 2.-Be able to start mapping in our minds the route
following, thus
make
>>>>>> it
>
>>>>>> easier to get to know the route by ourselves.
>>>>>> Also I've got another subject on my mind, thus sending
in the same
>>>>>> email:
>>>>>> Is
>>>>>> it normal that when using a cane I have conflict in
using it? though
I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> the cane is how we get around by ourselves thanks to a
bad experience
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> studying for a diploma in Humanistic Therapy some years
ago in that
>>>>>> when I
>
>>>>>> wanted to use the cane again after some years of having
it dusting, I
>>>>>> held
>
>>>>>> it in my hand but wasn't able to use it at ease because
memories of
the
>>>>>> experience came flooding back. fortunately I've been able to work
them
>>>>>> out
>
>>>>>> but am curious as to know if this has happened to you
guys? It's a
>>>>>> conflict
>>>>>> because for one I'm aware that the cane makes us unique as blind
people
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> lets us move around by ourselves but also because here
in Mexico the
>>>>>> blind
>
>>>>>> aren't viewed as equals in some respects, thus when
using the cane
>>>>>> gives
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> the feeling that lets blindness show even more, making
the sighted
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> feel ill at ease; speaking from experience in another
country when I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the US you guys don't have to cope with these things
because of how
>>>>>> advanced
>>>>>> you guys are in the work you've done all these years.
some day I hope
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> able to be like you guys and really live by your standards, thus
hoping
>>>>>> these questions bring on a good discussion from which
more than one
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> learn something new and enrich the topic of appreciating
our roots
>>>>>> brought
>
>>>>>> on recently.
>>>>>> Gerardo
>
>
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