[nabs-l] Blindness a dying?

Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Wed Aug 17 02:55:07 UTC 2011


Arielle:
That was a great post.
I had never heard of this place, or the individual in question, but
your post has educated me on his philosophy.
I agree with you.
Blessings, Joshua

On 8/16/11, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was
> the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to
> Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have
> read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a
> bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently
> wrote.
> Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's
> and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust
> to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight
> is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people
> cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of
> grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they
> eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding
> is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their
> sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative
> techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and
> grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that
> they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that
> these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen
> regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members,
> spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have
> noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or
> grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training
> in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the
> reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a
> huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of
> the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually
> come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary
> sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills.
> The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume
> blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose
> vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even
> those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we
> hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or
> finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar
> to research we often see showing how blind children on average are
> deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be
> true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of
> conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but
> they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that
> allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What
> distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who
> don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time
> from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely
> asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump
> all blind people together, because they show us what controllable
> factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these
> kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of
> equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and
> unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing!
> Arielle
>
> On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the
>> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening
>> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot
>> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Justin and everyone,
>>>
>>>     You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a
>>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live
>>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or
>>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed
>>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his
>>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic."
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>>
>>>
>>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center:
>>>
>>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't
>>> already have, it can benefit you.  If you have the opportunity to attend
>>> an
>>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB
>>> philosophy),
>>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times.
>>>
>>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not
>>> surprise me.  I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the
>>> management of the Carroll Center.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>> Undergraduate Student
>>> The University Honors Program
>>> East Carolina University
>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>
>>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>> change
>>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”    —MARGARET MEAD
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of
>>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14
>>>
>>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to
>>>         nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>         http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>         nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>         nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>    1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy)
>>>    2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young)
>>>    3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring)
>>>    4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field)
>>>    5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>>       (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
>>>    6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum)
>>>    7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
>>>    8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email
>>>       address for the business (chris nusbaum)
>>>    9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark)
>>>   10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge)
>>>   11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>>>       corrected link (Gabe Cazares)
>>>   12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth)
>>>   13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue)
>>>   14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum)
>>>   15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
>>>       (chris nusbaum)
>>>   16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
>>>       (chris nusbaum)
>>>   17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum)
>>>   18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum)
>>>   19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move
>>>       and a corrected link (chris nusbaum)
>>>   20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400
>>> From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CAAurf=cXjwXwhD9ifLO_HMyJYJ9Gu5=LYRP_ynvtGJe4fcRY4g at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hi Everybody!
>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>>> nabslinkaudio.org.
>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>>> spam, etc.
>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>>> to a new provider.
>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>>> online again.
>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>>> said messages and no one else
>>> and
>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>>> validated by the owner
>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>>> once you see it!
>>> If you have any questions, please email me at
>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>>> Thank you.
>>> >From David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400
>>> From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CA+3U9s6Bhzbq4b_FE-5hjGU9+V=hM-2Ui6UMM1RXBc8mnDSYBg at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> No problem.  I did three different programs.  In the Summer of 2006 I
>>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon
>>> daily living skills.  There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri.  Then
>>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that.  Some
>>> were fun and some not really.  You have the opportunity to do fencing,
>>> and other evening activities.  Some of the evening ones were more
>>> arts/crafts style if I recall.  Its hard to say with the
>>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year.  The ones whichwere the
>>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget.  The
>>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE)
>>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make
>>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until
>>> after classes were over or on weekends as well.  Once you begin
>>> working its great I must say.  When I did it they selected a place for
>>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you
>>> went on Field Trips.  Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as
>>> well in YIT.  They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like
>>> that.  For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work
>>> related field trips.  Like once we went to the State House in Boston
>>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so
>>> couldn't do that one.  There were still the activities in the
>>> afternoon and evening.  I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon
>>> because I got back from work to late always.  I worked at the Newton
>>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I
>>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence
>>> that I could do it all.  I delivered to depts mainly.  For my Final
>>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition
>>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008.  This program was 4 weeks where
>>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston
>>> College.  The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while
>>> at BC.  There was also a 2 week period before the program started for
>>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer
>>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center.  I
>>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School.  While
>>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think
>>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked.  We stayed in a dorm
>>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms
>>> with us.  We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the
>>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent.  We definitely got our
>>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building
>>> where our seminars took place.  We went on a field trip or two I don't
>>> remember.  I remember we went to either Boston University or one of
>>> the UMass schools.  I and a few of the others in the program took the
>>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the
>>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm.  So, I went there
>>> sometimes.
>>>
>>> It was a great three years full of making friends.  The cons you
>>> asked?  Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program
>>> you are in.  I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things
>>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC
>>> living.  I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>>> Justin,
>>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience
>>>> with
>>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you
>>>> learned,
>>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> David Dodge
>>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>> English Major
>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers
>>>>> at the Corroll Center.  I would be happy to answer any questions you
>>>>> may have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin Young
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>>>> > Hello Everyone,
>>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the
>>>>> > Blind
>>>>> in
>>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>>>>> center?
>>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > David
>>>>> > ----------------------------------
>>>>> > David Dodge
>>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>>> > English Major
>>>>> > University at Buffalo
>>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall
>>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> > nabs-l:
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600
>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABDhuesGK8zUgSR8+=PERcmVk1PJ2gsVcBCLQTWQ7XsaP81Hdw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>   I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
>>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio.  To each their
>>> own, I guess.
>>>   Warmly,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Joseph and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>     Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio.
>>>> It
>>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access
>>>> for
>>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping
>>>> to
>>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
>>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
>>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
>>>> http://www.blio.com
>>>>
>>>>     We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a
>>>> great
>>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look.  The Kindle can be
>>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be.  How well it works
>>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself.  *grin*
>>>>
>>>> Joseph - kf7qzc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>Listers,
>>>>>Can you share any  experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is
>>>>> free.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf
>>>>>
>>>>>Of Anjelina
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt
>>>>>from
>>>>>
>>>>>paying the annual fee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>From: Marsha Drenth
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>>>>>
>>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to
>>>>> use
>>>>>
>>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>>>>>
>>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't
>>>>> use
>>>>>
>>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>>>>>
>>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie
>>>>> books.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>>>>signature
>>>>>
>>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.eset.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.
>>>>>
>>>>>com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anjelina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai
>>>>>
>>>>>l.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500
>>> From: "Heather Field" <missheather at comcast.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
>>> Message-ID: <B4994BAF808D44B7BA43F214F6406C34 at HeatherAcer>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
>>>         reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Hi Kurt,
>>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled.
>>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such
>>> add-on
>>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using
>>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my
>>> ebook.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> Heather
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kirt Manwaring
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>   I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
>>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio.  To each their
>>> own, I guess.
>>>   Warmly,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Joseph and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>     Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio.
>>>> It
>>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access
>>>> for
>>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping
>>>> to
>>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
>>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
>>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
>>>> http://www.blio.com
>>>>
>>>>     We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a
>>>> great
>>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look.  The Kindle can be
>>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be.  How well it works
>>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself.  *grin*
>>>>
>>>> Joseph - kf7qzc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>Listers,
>>>>>Can you share any  experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is
>>>>> free.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>Behalf
>>>>>
>>>>>Of Anjelina
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt
>>>>>from
>>>>>
>>>>>paying the annual fee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>From: Marsha Drenth
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>>>>>
>>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to
>>>>> use
>>>>>
>>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>>>>>
>>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't
>>>>> use
>>>>>
>>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>>>>>
>>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie
>>>>> books.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>>>>signature
>>>>>
>>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.eset.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.
>>>>>
>>>>>com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anjelina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai
>>>>>
>>>>>l.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>         reply-type=original
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Dunphy
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>>
>>> Hi Everybody!
>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>>> nabslinkaudio.org.
>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>>> spam, etc.
>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>>> to a new provider.
>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>>> online again.
>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>>> said messages and no one else
>>> and
>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>>> validated by the owner
>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>>> once you see it!
>>> If you have any questions, please email me at
>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>>> Thank you.
>>> >From David
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxGDRb9C0_=Arb=wZPiArR9RuhfN8U_y2H7XD8umfMLSqw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web
>>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that
>>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks
>>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David Dunphy
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everybody!
>>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>>>> nabslinkaudio.org.
>>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>>>> spam, etc.
>>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>>>> to a new provider.
>>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>>>> online again.
>>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>>>> said messages and no one else
>>>> and
>>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>>>> validated by the owner
>>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>>>> once you see it!
>>>> If you have any questions, please email me at
>>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> >From David
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
>>>         reply-type=original
>>>
>>> David,
>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation
>>> adult
>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
>>> transition program.  I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a
>>> short summer experience to comment on.
>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult
>>> program
>>> because I am thinking of going back for training.
>>>
>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s
>>> a
>>> shorter program since they have  a new program called
>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks.  Had I
>>> known
>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The
>>> teens
>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize.  I
>>> was
>>> friends with the RWWE students though.
>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days  a week with one day of
>>> field
>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and
>>> RWWE
>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we  got to know each
>>> other
>>> since there was some overlap in experience.
>>>
>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living
>>> skills.
>>> Its like  the youth version of the rehab program.
>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students
>>> had
>>> club activities and in the evening
>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
>>> period.  I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
>>> curriculars
>>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew.  I
>>> wonder
>>> if the  adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of
>>> skills before you learn skills in class.
>>>
>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility,
>>> and
>>> information technology.  In communication some students learned braille
>>> but
>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase
>>> a
>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class.
>>> In
>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
>>> cooking, personal care  and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over  hand and explained
>>> things.
>>> There was another student in my class.  We made
>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had
>>> a
>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too.
>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
>>>
>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and
>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the
>>> bus.
>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to
>>> Newton
>>> center which is a  stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I
>>> had
>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
>>>
>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was
>>> ten
>>> years ago!
>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
>>> objects and painted them.
>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or
>>> goal
>>> ball.
>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to
>>> swim,
>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired.  On Mondays was our shopping
>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
>>>
>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually
>>> fun.
>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to
>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and
>>> museums.
>>>
>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student
>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
>>> impaired.
>>>
>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Dodge
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind
>>> in
>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>>> center?
>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>>>
>>> David
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> David Dodge
>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>>> English Major
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,    Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
>>>         "g List\" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, \"nfbmd\" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>,
>>>         \"nabs\" <nabs at acb.org>, \"maryland-l\" <maryland-l at acb.org>,
>>> \"Ross
>>>         Hammond\" <editor at matildaziegler.com>,  \"alena roberts\""
>>>         <alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Ariana Lipka <arigeogirl at gmail.com>, ariannas.art at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art:
>>>         new email address for the business
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxFuazmXega=JYSf_vsW_kLhSPqOcE77nodA+M5p-+R9Sg at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our
>>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've
>>> just created an email account where you can send us questions,
>>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our
>>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it
>>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to
>>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email.
>>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to
>>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve
>>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would
>>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to
>>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll
>>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us,
>>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The
>>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two
>>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you
>>> soon!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000
>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>>
>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>>> with
>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>>>
>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>>> underground mafia meat market.  It was an amazing social experience with
>>> all
>>> of the other students involved.  If only considering the social frontier,
>>> I
>>> highly recommend it.
>>>
>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>>> Real
>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007.  I valued every bit of the
>>> experience
>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>>> that
>>> I
>>> now have with the training that I received.  I lost my vision in 2005, so
>>> I
>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center.  They taught me to
>>> use
>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>>> remaining vision.  I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>>> non-visually.  I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>>> lessons and other lessons in general.  I learned a lot of great things,
>>> but
>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>>> I
>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>>> the
>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>>> all
>>> of the skills I need non-visually.  Also understand that I have a stable
>>> visual field and acuity.
>>>
>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>>> I
>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>>> chosen.
>>>
>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
>>> and social skills.  They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>>> devices,
>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that.  If we
>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>>> modifications in technique if necessary.  They also had a class called
>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>>> students
>>> with less vision than me to Jaws.  We had a lot of great group activities
>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time.  We also
>>> saw
>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>>> were
>>> adjusting well to the environment.  Another activity, called "people
>>> talk,"
>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>>> led
>>> to self-awareness and confidence building.
>>>
>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>>> skills
>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work.  Once we started work, we
>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>>> by
>>> the Carroll Center.  The other two days were used for field trips and
>>> training days.  Again, it was an amazing experience.  Different students
>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area.  We were
>>> responsible
>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites.  We
>>> had
>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>>> they
>>> weren't with us all the time.  They were sighted people who watched us at
>>> a
>>> distance while we were in the environment.
>>>
>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>>> end
>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year.  They
>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program.  They
>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>>> center
>>> would push them to become.  Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>>> a
>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but
>>> it
>>> does not push them to really be independent.  When you walk into the
>>> dining
>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>>> counter-clockwise direction.
>>>
>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>>> it
>>> is not the very best option available.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>> Undergraduate Student
>>> The University Honors Program
>>> East Carolina University
>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>
>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>> change
>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.?    ?MARGARET MEAD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400
>>> From: David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CAGiF6ME1fOYjdkn5e3Zf+52FuktSB=YARF2eMMwuPx792fO6ig at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>
>>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is
>>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had
>>> very
>>> positive experiences.
>>>
>>> David
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> David Dodge
>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>>> English Major
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation
>>>> adult
>>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
>>>> transition program.  I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have
>>>> a
>>>> short summer experience to comment on.
>>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult
>>>> program
>>>> because I am thinking of going back for training.
>>>>
>>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
>>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now
>>>> it?s
>>>> a
>>>> shorter program since they have  a new program called
>>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
>>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks.  Had I
>>>> known
>>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
>>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The
>>>> teens
>>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
>>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize.  I
>>>> was friends with the RWWE students though.
>>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days  a week with one day of
>>>> field
>>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and
>>>> RWWE
>>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
>>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we  got to know each
>>>> other
>>>> since there was some overlap in experience.
>>>>
>>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living
>>>> skills.
>>>> Its like  the youth version of the rehab program.
>>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
>>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students
>>>> had club activities and in the evening
>>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
>>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
>>>> period.  I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
>>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already
>>>> knew.  I wonder if the  adult program is more individualized with a good
>>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility,
>>>> and
>>>> information technology.  In communication some students learned braille
>>>> but
>>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to
>>>> erase
>>>> a
>>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class.
>>>> In
>>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
>>>> cooking, personal care  and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
>>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
>>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over  hand and explained
>>>> things.
>>>> There was another student in my class.  We made
>>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We
>>>> had
>>>> a
>>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too.
>>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
>>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
>>>>
>>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing
>>>> and
>>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the
>>>> bus.
>>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to
>>>> Newton
>>>> center which is a  stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I
>>>> had
>>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
>>>>
>>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was
>>>> ten years ago!
>>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
>>>> objects and painted them.
>>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or
>>>> goal
>>>> ball.
>>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to
>>>> swim,
>>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired.  On Mondays was our shopping
>>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
>>>>
>>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually
>>>> fun.
>>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
>>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
>>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us
>>>> to
>>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and
>>>> museums.
>>>>
>>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one
>>>> student
>>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
>>>> impaired.
>>>>
>>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind
>>>> in
>>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>>>> center?
>>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>> David Dodge
>>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>> English Major
>>>> University at Buffalo
>>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**
>>>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net<http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**
>>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu<http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500
>>> From: Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com>
>>> To: members <members at nfbtx.org>, tabs_students
>>>         <tabs_students at googlegroups.com>,       nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the
>>>         move and a corrected link
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CAOy_VPQtprZCAk36=0BSfc7kKPMdJU8yGhrvwSwnLTr6AiR2SA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> FYI
>>>
>>> ...Gabe
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>>> corrected
>>> link
>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at
>>>>Ground
>>>>Zero " was released on August 2.  .  Please continue to tell the world
>>>>about
>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>>>>order Thunder Dog.  I would appreciate your help very much.
>>>>
>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers
>>>> list
>>>>for print and eBooks.  This is incredible according to my publisher and
>>>>book
>>>>agent.  I wanted to share the exciting news.  I hope that you have
>>>>purchased
>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog.  If you want to buy one
>>>> please
>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog".  All
>>>> copies
>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>>>>
>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts.
>>>>If
>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>>>>lessons around
>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at
>>>> bookstores.
>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>>>>purchase copies.  The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to
>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before
>>>> Roselle
>>>>passed on June 26, 2011.
>>>>
>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous.  I hope that "Thunder
>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness.
>>>>The
>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>>>>www.michaelhingson.com.  The audio edition has some extras including a
>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind
>>>> convention
>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>>>>
>>>>I also wish your help on another front.  In June, Roselle was nominated
>>>> as
>>>>a
>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane
>>>>Association.  Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the
>>>> eight
>>>>finalists.  The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a
>>>>problem.
>>>>I have corrected the difficulty.  Again I am asking you to take the time
>>>>and
>>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011.  I would appreciate you
>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win.  A victory for
>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>>>>Alma Mater.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years.  As always,
>>>>if
>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always
>>>>looking
>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact
>>>>information.  I hope all is well with you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike Hingson
>>>>
>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>>>>  "Speaking with Vision"
>>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>>>
>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at
>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>>>>
>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list
>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gabriel M. Cazares,
>>> 2nd Vice President
>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs
>>> Phone: 713-581-0619
>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest
>>> willing to let them."
>>> -Robert Frost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600
>>> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
>>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hi, guys.
>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
>>> of Roselle's passing.  The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award.  How many of you guys
>>> have voted for her?  I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
>>> myself.  Anyway, if anybody has voted, great.  If you haven't, I
>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
>>> heard it.  I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog.  So let's all
>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500
>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"
>>>
>>> Hello Justin and everyone,
>>>
>>>     For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw
>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What
>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a
>>> "Dying."
>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you
>>> need
>>> once and it will last you a life time.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>>
>>>
>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>>> with
>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>>>
>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>>> underground mafia meat market.  It was an amazing social experience with
>>> all
>>> of the other students involved.  If only considering the social frontier,
>>> I
>>> highly recommend it.
>>>
>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>>> Real
>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007.  I valued every bit of the
>>> experience
>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>>> that
>>> I
>>> now have with the training that I received.  I lost my vision in 2005, so
>>> I
>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center.  They taught me to
>>> use
>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>>> remaining vision.  I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>>> non-visually.  I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>>> lessons and other lessons in general.  I learned a lot of great things,
>>> but
>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>>> I
>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>>> the
>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>>> all
>>> of the skills I need non-visually.  Also understand that I have a stable
>>> visual field and acuity.
>>>
>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>>> I
>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>>> chosen.
>>>
>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
>>> and social skills.  They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>>> devices,
>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that.  If we
>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>>> modifications in technique if necessary.  They also had a class called
>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>>> students
>>> with less vision than me to Jaws.  We had a lot of great group activities
>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time.  We also
>>> saw
>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>>> were
>>> adjusting well to the environment.  Another activity, called "people
>>> talk,"
>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>>> led
>>> to self-awareness and confidence building.
>>>
>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>>> skills
>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work.  Once we started work, we
>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>>> by
>>> the Carroll Center.  The other two days were used for field trips and
>>> training days.  Again, it was an amazing experience.  Different students
>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area.  We were
>>> responsible
>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites.  We
>>> had
>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>>> they
>>> weren't with us all the time.  They were sighted people who watched us at
>>> a
>>> distance while we were in the environment.
>>>
>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>>> end
>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year.  They
>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program.  They
>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>>> center
>>> would push them to become.  Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>>> a
>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but
>>> it
>>> does not push them to really be independent.  When you walk into the
>>> dining
>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>>> counter-clockwise direction.
>>>
>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>>> it
>>> is not the very best option available.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>> Undergraduate Student
>>> The University Honors Program
>>> East Carolina University
>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>
>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>> change
>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.?    ?MARGARET MEAD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts?
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxEy+0j1-52etjq-3ATJ8ZsQs060VLbimFrvQ_ebaeZtnw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send
>>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind
>>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm
>>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art,
>>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us
>>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts
>>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts
>>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this
>>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic
>>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send
>>> one message to all contacts? Thanks!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors
>>>         flier
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxHG7+DGAjuu2LQum16Gut=rtNmez3SOHx9G_g0SxmbJ7A at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
>>> <firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500
>>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
>>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>>> <nabs at acb.org>
>>>
>>> *Employment Mentoring Project*
>>>
>>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind *
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job??
>>>
>>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their
>>> career in a profession similar to yours??
>>>
>>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
>>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
>>>
>>> *BENEFITS*
>>>
>>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested
>>> in working in your profession
>>>
>>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
>>>
>>> *RESPONSIBILITIES*
>>>
>>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee
>>> graduates
>>>
>>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job
>>> shadowing
>>>
>>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
>>>
>>> ?Complete online activities monthly
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *ELIGIBILITY*
>>>
>>> ?Legal blindness
>>>
>>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career
>>>
>>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
>>> software/hardware needed to access online materials
>>>
>>> *INTERESTED?*
>>>
>>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at
>>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals**
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
>>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
>>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
>>> 1-800-675-7782
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,    Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees
>>>         flier.
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxE+K3tVMPpAY7EGCZ=HS=DnyArud-Ya_H+nN1heA-v2aQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
>>> <firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500
>>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
>>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>>> <nabs at acb.org>
>>>
>>> *Employment Mentoring Project*
>>>
>>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation??
>>>
>>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind
>>> and has experience in your profession of interest??
>>>
>>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
>>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
>>>
>>> *BENEFITS*
>>>
>>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind
>>>
>>> ?Access to career development resources
>>>
>>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
>>>
>>> *RESPONSIBILITIES*
>>>
>>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation
>>>
>>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
>>>
>>> ?Complete online activities monthly
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *ELIGIBILITY*
>>>
>>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who:
>>>
>>> oIs legally blind
>>>
>>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012
>>>
>>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation
>>>
>>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
>>> software/hardware needed to access online materials
>>>
>>> *INTERESTED?*
>>>
>>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students**
>>>
>>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
>>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
>>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
>>> 1-800-675-7782
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 17
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxHz5Gn0S-s3q_Yb4H47HMK7APhSbcsxpJHGLTNHU9Cs1A at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to
>>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about
>>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend
>>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed,
>>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center
>>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota,
>>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought
>>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each
>>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences
>>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely
>>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm
>>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into
>>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Justin and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>     For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
>>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and
>>>> saw
>>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there.
>>>> What
>>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a
>>>> "Dying."
>>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you
>>>> need
>>>> once and it will last you a life time.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>>>> with
>>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>>>>
>>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>>>> underground mafia meat market.  It was an amazing social experience with
>>>> all
>>>> of the other students involved.  If only considering the social
>>>> frontier,
>>>> I
>>>> highly recommend it.
>>>>
>>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>>>> Real
>>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007.  I valued every bit of the
>>>> experience
>>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> now have with the training that I received.  I lost my vision in 2005,
>>>> so
>>>> I
>>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center.  They taught me to
>>>> use
>>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>>>> remaining vision.  I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>>>> non-visually.  I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>>>> lessons and other lessons in general.  I learned a lot of great things,
>>>> but
>>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>>>> I
>>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>>>> the
>>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>>>> all
>>>> of the skills I need non-visually.  Also understand that I have a stable
>>>> visual field and acuity.
>>>>
>>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>>>> I
>>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>>>> chosen.
>>>>
>>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our
>>>> confidence
>>>> and social skills.  They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>>>> devices,
>>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that.  If
>>>> we
>>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>>>> modifications in technique if necessary.  They also had a class called
>>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>>>> students
>>>> with less vision than me to Jaws.  We had a lot of great group
>>>> activities
>>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time.  We also
>>>> saw
>>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>>>> were
>>>> adjusting well to the environment.  Another activity, called "people
>>>> talk,"
>>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>>>> led
>>>> to self-awareness and confidence building.
>>>>
>>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>>>> skills
>>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work.  Once we started work, we
>>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>>>> by
>>>> the Carroll Center.  The other two days were used for field trips and
>>>> training days.  Again, it was an amazing experience.  Different students
>>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area.  We were
>>>> responsible
>>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites.  We
>>>> had
>>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>>>> they
>>>> weren't with us all the time.  They were sighted people who watched us
>>>> at
>>>> a
>>>> distance while we were in the environment.
>>>>
>>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>>>> end
>>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year.  They
>>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program.
>>>> They
>>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>>>> center
>>>> would push them to become.  Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>>>> a
>>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch,
>>>> but
>>>> it
>>>> does not push them to really be independent.  When you walk into the
>>>> dining
>>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and
>>>> navigate
>>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>>>> counter-clockwise direction.
>>>>
>>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>>>> it
>>>> is not the very best option available.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>>> Undergraduate Student
>>>> The University Honors Program
>>>> East Carolina University
>>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>>
>>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>>> change
>>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.?    ?MARGARET MEAD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxGDsDADy5FFb6OCrp-Lrjgy=V=UHAG=u6o5SwCjSPjYQA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hi Beth,
>>>
>>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little
>>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have
>>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for
>>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad
>>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love
>>> it! Enjoy the book!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is?
>>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay
>>> attention?
>>>
>>> On 8/14/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, guys.
>>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
>>>> of Roselle's passing.  The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
>>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award.  How many of you guys
>>>> have voted for her?  I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
>>>> myself.  Anyway, if anybody has voted, great.  If you haven't, I
>>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
>>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
>>>> heard it.  I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
>>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog.  So let's all
>>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 19
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400
>>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on
>>>         the move and a corrected link
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CABpnAxHibrcGCSFU+_RgW4ArDfc-hpe+kH4WNCByefUUifkxZw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hi Gabe,
>>>
>>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come
>>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts
>>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to
>>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for
>>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list,
>>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then
>>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you
>>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though,
>>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> FYI
>>>>
>>>> ...Gabe
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
>>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>>>> corrected
>>>> link
>>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at
>>>>> Ground
>>>>>Zero " was released on August 2.  .  Please continue to tell the world
>>>>> about
>>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>>>>>order Thunder Dog.  I would appreciate your help very much.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers
>>>>>list
>>>>>for print and eBooks.  This is incredible according to my publisher and
>>>>> book
>>>>>agent.  I wanted to share the exciting news.  I hope that you have
>>>>> purchased
>>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog.  If you want to buy one
>>>>> please
>>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog".  All
>>>>> copies
>>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts.
>>>>> If
>>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>>>>>lessons around
>>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at
>>>>> bookstores.
>>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>>>>>purchase copies.  The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful
>>>>> to
>>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before
>>>>>Roselle
>>>>>passed on June 26, 2011.
>>>>>
>>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous.  I hope that
>>>>> "Thunder
>>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness.
>>>>> The
>>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>>>>>www.michaelhingson.com.  The audio edition has some extras including a
>>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> convention
>>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also wish your help on another front.  In June, Roselle was nominated
>>>>> as
>>>>> a
>>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American
>>>>> Humane
>>>>>Association.  Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the
>>>>>eight
>>>>>finalists.  The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>I have corrected the difficulty.  Again I am asking you to take the time
>>>>> and
>>>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011.  I would appreciate you
>>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win.  A victory for
>>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>>>>>Alma Mater.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years.  As
>>>>> always,
>>>>> if
>>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always
>>>>> looking
>>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and
>>>>> contact
>>>>>information.  I hope all is well with you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike Hingson
>>>>>
>>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>>>>>  "Speaking with Vision"
>>>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>>>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year
>>>>> at
>>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>>>>>
>>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list
>>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gabriel M. Cazares,
>>>> 2nd Vice President
>>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
>>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
>>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs
>>>> Phone: 713-581-0619
>>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest
>>>> willing to let them."
>>>> -Robert Frost
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>>
>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>>
>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>>
>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 20
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400
>>> From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com>
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CAN+-G_D7v0DEHG2kvFPkPNLqiYSMZN1j+z_CtannoBx_2H6+RQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Hello everyone:
>>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds
>>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something
>>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more
>>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days?
>>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't
>>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be
>>> appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick Molloy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>
>>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14
>>> **************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu
>




More information about the NABS-L mailing list