[nabs-l] Blindness a dying?
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Arielle,
I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr.
Carroll.
No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source.
Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment
to blindness.
Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes
some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial and
depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on and
get blindness skills.
People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment
and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss.
I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are
depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to
give up your driver's license?
Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer
being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and
magazine stand?
These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision to
function in a sighted manner.
Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if
you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. Heck
most buses stop running at mid evening.
American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a
society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss.
Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format;
most newspapers are not accessible either.
As someone who was legally blind for their life, I
am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news
stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it.
So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or
drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on
with life?
Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory. I know
people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its
hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance,
some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they can
read slowly or they cannot read at all.
Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth
age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and
daily living.
No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students. I guess some staff
members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly
did not show it.
Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not
sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and
probably new ideas in the current center.
No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive
attitude and higher expectations than the founder did.
Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get
depressed.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying?
Hi all,
Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was
the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to
Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have
read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a
bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently
wrote.
Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's
and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust
to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight
is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people
cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of
grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they
eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding
is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their
sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative
techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and
grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that
they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that
these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen
regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members,
spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have
noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or
grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training
in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the
reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a
huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of
the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually
come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary
sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills.
The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume
blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose
vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even
those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we
hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or
finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar
to research we often see showing how blind children on average are
deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be
true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of
conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but
they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that
allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What
distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who
don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time
from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely
asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump
all blind people together, because they show us what controllable
factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these
kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of
equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and
unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing!
Arielle
On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the
> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening
> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot
> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did.
>
> Chris
>
> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hello Justin and everyone,
>>
>> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a
>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live
>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or
>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed
>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his
>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic."
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>
>>
>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center:
>>
>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't
>> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend
>> an
>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB
>> philosophy),
>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times.
>>
>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not
>> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the
>> management of the Carroll Center.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Justin M. Salisbury
>> Undergraduate Student
>> The University Honors Program
>> East Carolina University
>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>
>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>> change
>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD
>>
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>> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy)
>> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young)
>> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring)
>> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field)
>> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
>> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum)
>> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
>> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email
>> address for the business (chris nusbaum)
>> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark)
>> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge)
>> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>> corrected link (Gabe Cazares)
>> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth)
>> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue)
>> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum)
>> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
>> (chris nusbaum)
>> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
>> (chris nusbaum)
>> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum)
>> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum)
>> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move
>> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum)
>> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400
>> From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi Everybody!
>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>> nabslinkaudio.org.
>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>> spam, etc.
>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>> to a new provider.
>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>> online again.
>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>> said messages and no one else
>> and
>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>> validated by the owner
>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>> once you see it!
>> If you have any questions, please email me at
>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>> Thank you.
>> >From David
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400
>> From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi David,
>>
>> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I
>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon
>> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then
>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some
>> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing,
>> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more
>> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the
>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the
>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The
>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE)
>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make
>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until
>> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin
>> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for
>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you
>> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as
>> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like
>> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work
>> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston
>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so
>> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the
>> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon
>> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton
>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I
>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence
>> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final
>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition
>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where
>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston
>> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while
>> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for
>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer
>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I
>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While
>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think
>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm
>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms
>> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the
>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our
>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building
>> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't
>> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of
>> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the
>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the
>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there
>> sometimes.
>>
>> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you
>> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program
>> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things
>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC
>> living. I hope this helps you.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>> Justin,
>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience
>>> with
>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you
>>> learned,
>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so
>>> much.
>>>
>>> David
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> David Dodge
>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>>> English Major
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers
>>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you
>>>> may have.
>>>>
>>>> Justin Young
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>>> > Hello Everyone,
>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the
>>>> > Blind
>>>> in
>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>>>> center?
>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>>>> >
>>>> > David
>>>> > ----------------------------------
>>>> > David Dodge
>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly
>>>> > English Major
>>>> > University at Buffalo
>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall
>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260
>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600
>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
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>> Peter,
>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their
>> own, I guess.
>> Warmly,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Joseph and everyone,
>>>
>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio.
>>> It
>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access
>>> for
>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping
>>> to
>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
>>> http://www.blio.com
>>>
>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a
>>> great
>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>
>>>
>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be
>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works
>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin*
>>>
>>> Joseph - kf7qzc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>Listers,
>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is
>>>>free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
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>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf
>>>>
>>>>Of Anjelina
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM
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>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt
>>>>from
>>>>
>>>>paying the annual fee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>From: Marsha Drenth
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>>>>
>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>>>>
>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to
>>>>use
>>>>
>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>>>>
>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't
>>>>use
>>>>
>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>>>>
>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie
>>>>books.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500
>> From: "Heather Field" <missheather at comcast.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
>> Message-ID: <B4994BAF808D44B7BA43F214F6406C34 at HeatherAcer>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Kurt,
>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled.
>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such
>> add-on
>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using
>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my
>> ebook.
>>
>> Thanks so much.
>> Heather
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kirt Manwaring
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
>>
>> Peter,
>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their
>> own, I guess.
>> Warmly,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Joseph and everyone,
>>>
>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio.
>>> It
>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access
>>> for
>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping
>>> to
>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
>>> http://www.blio.com
>>>
>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a
>>> great
>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>
>>>
>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be
>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works
>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin*
>>>
>>> Joseph - kf7qzc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>Listers,
>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is
>>>>free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf
>>>>
>>>>Of Anjelina
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>>
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt
>>>>from
>>>>
>>>>paying the annual fee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>From: Marsha Drenth
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>>>>
>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>>>>
>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to
>>>>use
>>>>
>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>>>>
>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't
>>>>use
>>>>
>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>>>>
>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie
>>>>books.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC>
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>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Dunphy
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>
>> Hi Everybody!
>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>> nabslinkaudio.org.
>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>> spam, etc.
>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>> to a new provider.
>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>> online again.
>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>> said messages and no one else
>> and
>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>> validated by the owner
>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>> once you see it!
>> If you have any questions, please email me at
>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>> Thank you.
>> >From David
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>> Message-ID:
>>
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>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web
>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that
>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks
>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Dunphy
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>>>
>>> Hi Everybody!
>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>>> nabslinkaudio.org.
>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>>> spam, etc.
>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>>> to a new provider.
>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>>> online again.
>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>>> said messages and no one else
>>> and
>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>>> validated by the owner
>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>>> once you see it!
>>> If you have any questions, please email me at
>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>>> Thank you.
>>> >From David
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
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>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> David,
>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation
>> adult
>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a
>> short summer experience to comment on.
>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult
>> program
>> because I am thinking of going back for training.
>>
>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s
>> a
>> shorter program since they have a new program called
>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I
>> known
>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The
>> teens
>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I
>> was
>> friends with the RWWE students though.
>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of
>> field
>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and
>> RWWE
>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each
>> other
>> since there was some overlap in experience.
>>
>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living
>> skills.
>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program.
>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students
>> had
>> club activities and in the evening
>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
>> curriculars
>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I
>> wonder
>> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of
>> skills before you learn skills in class.
>>
>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility,
>> and
>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille
>> but
>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase
>> a
>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class.
>> In
>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained
>> things.
>> There was another student in my class. We made
>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had
>> a
>> lesson on putting on lipstick too.
>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
>>
>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and
>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the
>> bus.
>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to
>> Newton
>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I
>> had
>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
>>
>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was
>> ten
>> years ago!
>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
>> objects and painted them.
>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or
>> goal
>> ball.
>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to
>> swim,
>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping
>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
>>
>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually
>> fun.
>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to
>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and
>> museums.
>>
>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student
>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
>> impaired.
>>
>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Dodge
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind
>> in
>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>> center?
>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>>
>> David
>> ----------------------------------
>> David Dodge
>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>> English Major
>> University at Buffalo
>> 306 Clemens Hall
>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing List
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
>> "g List\" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, \"nfbmd\" <nfbmd at nfbnet.org>,
>> \"nabs\" <nabs at acb.org>, \"maryland-l\" <maryland-l at acb.org>,
>> \"Ross
>> Hammond\" <editor at matildaziegler.com>, \"alena roberts\""
>> <alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Ariana Lipka <arigeogirl at gmail.com>, ariannas.art at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art:
>> new email address for the business
>> Message-ID:
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>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our
>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've
>> just created an email account where you can send us questions,
>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our
>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it
>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to
>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email.
>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to
>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve
>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would
>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to
>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll
>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us,
>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The
>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two
>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you
>> soon!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000
>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>> Message-ID:
>>
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>>
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>>
>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>> with
>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>>
>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with
>> all
>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier,
>> I
>> highly recommend it.
>>
>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>> Real
>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the
>> experience
>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>> that
>> I
>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so
>> I
>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to
>> use
>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things,
>> but
>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>> I
>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>> the
>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>> all
>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable
>> visual field and acuity.
>>
>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>> I
>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>> chosen.
>>
>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>> devices,
>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we
>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called
>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>> students
>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities
>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also
>> saw
>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>> were
>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people
>> talk,"
>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>> led
>> to self-awareness and confidence building.
>>
>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>> skills
>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we
>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>> by
>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and
>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students
>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were
>> responsible
>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We
>> had
>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>> they
>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at
>> a
>> distance while we were in the environment.
>>
>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>> end
>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They
>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They
>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>> center
>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>> a
>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but
>> it
>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the
>> dining
>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>> counter-clockwise direction.
>>
>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>> it
>> is not the very best option available.
>>
>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin M. Salisbury
>> Undergraduate Student
>> The University Honors Program
>> East Carolina University
>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>
>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>> change
>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400
>> From: David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CAGiF6ME1fOYjdkn5e3Zf+52FuktSB=YARF2eMMwuPx792fO6ig at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is
>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had
>> very
>> positive experiences.
>>
>> David
>> ----------------------------------
>> David Dodge
>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>> English Major
>> University at Buffalo
>> 306 Clemens Hall
>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation
>>> adult
>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
>>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have
>>> a
>>> short summer experience to comment on.
>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult
>>> program
>>> because I am thinking of going back for training.
>>>
>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now
>>> it?s
>>> a
>>> shorter program since they have a new program called
>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I
>>> known
>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The
>>> teens
>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I
>>> was friends with the RWWE students though.
>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of
>>> field
>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and
>>> RWWE
>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each
>>> other
>>> since there was some overlap in experience.
>>>
>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living
>>> skills.
>>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program.
>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students
>>> had club activities and in the evening
>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
>>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already
>>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good
>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class.
>>>
>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility,
>>> and
>>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille
>>> but
>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to
>>> erase
>>> a
>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class.
>>> In
>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
>>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained
>>> things.
>>> There was another student in my class. We made
>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We
>>> had
>>> a
>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too.
>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
>>>
>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing
>>> and
>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the
>>> bus.
>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to
>>> Newton
>>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I
>>> had
>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
>>>
>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was
>>> ten years ago!
>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
>>> objects and painted them.
>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or
>>> goal
>>> ball.
>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to
>>> swim,
>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping
>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
>>>
>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually
>>> fun.
>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us
>>> to
>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and
>>> museums.
>>>
>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one
>>> student
>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
>>> impaired.
>>>
>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind
>>> in
>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>>> center?
>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>>>
>>> David
>>> ------------------------------**----
>>> David Dodge
>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>>> State University of New York Student Assembly
>>> English Major
>>> University at Buffalo
>>> 306 Clemens Hall
>>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500
>> From: Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com>
>> To: members <members at nfbtx.org>, tabs_students
>> <tabs_students at googlegroups.com>, nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the
>> move and a corrected link
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CAOy_VPQtprZCAk36=0BSfc7kKPMdJU8yGhrvwSwnLTr6AiR2SA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> ...Gabe
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>> corrected
>> link
>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at
>>>Ground
>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world
>>>about
>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much.
>>>
>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers
>>> list
>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and
>>>book
>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have
>>>purchased
>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one
>>>please
>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All
>>>copies
>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>>>
>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts.
>>>If
>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>>>lessons around
>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at
>>>bookstores.
>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to
>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before
>>> Roselle
>>>passed on June 26, 2011.
>>>
>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder
>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness.
>>>The
>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a
>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind
>>>convention
>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>>>
>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated
>>>as
>>>a
>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane
>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the
>>> eight
>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a
>>>problem.
>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time
>>>and
>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you
>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for
>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>>>Alma Mater.
>>>
>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always,
>>>if
>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always
>>>looking
>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact
>>>information. I hope all is well with you.
>>>
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Hingson
>>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>>> "Speaking with Vision"
>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>>
>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at
>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>>>
>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gabriel M. Cazares,
>> 2nd Vice President
>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs
>> Phone: 713-581-0619
>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest
>> willing to let them."
>> -Robert Frost
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600
>> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi, guys.
>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys
>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I
>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all
>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
>> Thanks.
>> Beth
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500
>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>
>> Hello Justin and everyone,
>>
>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw
>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What
>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a
>> "Dying."
>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you
>> need
>> once and it will last you a life time.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>
>>
>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>> with
>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>>
>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with
>> all
>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier,
>> I
>> highly recommend it.
>>
>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>> Real
>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the
>> experience
>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>> that
>> I
>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so
>> I
>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to
>> use
>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things,
>> but
>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>> I
>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>> the
>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>> all
>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable
>> visual field and acuity.
>>
>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>> I
>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>> chosen.
>>
>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>> devices,
>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we
>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called
>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>> students
>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities
>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also
>> saw
>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>> were
>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people
>> talk,"
>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>> led
>> to self-awareness and confidence building.
>>
>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>> skills
>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we
>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>> by
>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and
>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students
>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were
>> responsible
>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We
>> had
>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>> they
>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at
>> a
>> distance while we were in the environment.
>>
>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>> end
>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They
>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They
>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>> center
>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>> a
>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but
>> it
>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the
>> dining
>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>> counter-clockwise direction.
>>
>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>> it
>> is not the very best option available.
>>
>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin M. Salisbury
>> Undergraduate Student
>> The University Honors Program
>> East Carolina University
>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>
>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>> change
>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts?
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CABpnAxEy+0j1-52etjq-3ATJ8ZsQs060VLbimFrvQ_ebaeZtnw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send
>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind
>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm
>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art,
>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us
>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts
>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts
>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this
>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic
>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send
>> one message to all contacts? Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors
>> flier
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CABpnAxHG7+DGAjuu2LQum16Gut=rtNmez3SOHx9G_g0SxmbJ7A at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
>> <firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>> <nabs at acb.org>
>>
>> *Employment Mentoring Project*
>>
>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind *
>>
>> **
>>
>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job??
>>
>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their
>> career in a profession similar to yours??
>>
>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
>>
>> *BENEFITS*
>>
>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested
>> in working in your profession
>>
>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
>>
>> *RESPONSIBILITIES*
>>
>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee
>> graduates
>>
>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job
>> shadowing
>>
>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
>>
>> ?Complete online activities monthly
>>
>> **
>>
>> *ELIGIBILITY*
>>
>> ?Legal blindness
>>
>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career
>>
>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
>> software/hardware needed to access online materials
>>
>> *INTERESTED?*
>>
>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at
>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals**
>>
>> **
>>
>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
>> 1-800-675-7782
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing List
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees
>> flier.
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CABpnAxE+K3tVMPpAY7EGCZ=HS=DnyArud-Ya_H+nN1heA-v2aQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
>> <firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
>> <nabs at acb.org>
>>
>> *Employment Mentoring Project*
>>
>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind*
>>
>> **
>>
>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation??
>>
>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind
>> and has experience in your profession of interest??
>>
>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
>>
>> *BENEFITS*
>>
>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind
>>
>> ?Access to career development resources
>>
>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
>>
>> *RESPONSIBILITIES*
>>
>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation
>>
>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
>>
>> ?Complete online activities monthly
>>
>> **
>>
>> *ELIGIBILITY*
>>
>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who:
>>
>> oIs legally blind
>>
>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012
>>
>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation
>>
>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
>> software/hardware needed to access online materials
>>
>> *INTERESTED?*
>>
>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students**
>>
>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
>> 1-800-675-7782
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
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>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>> Message-ID:
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>> <CABpnAxHz5Gn0S-s3q_Yb4H47HMK7APhSbcsxpJHGLTNHU9Cs1A at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to
>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about
>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend
>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed,
>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center
>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota,
>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought
>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each
>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences
>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely
>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm
>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into
>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Justin and everyone,
>>>
>>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and
>>> saw
>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there.
>>> What
>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a
>>> "Dying."
>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you
>>> need
>>> once and it will last you a life time.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>>>
>>>
>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>>> with
>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>>>
>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with
>>> all
>>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social
>>> frontier,
>>> I
>>> highly recommend it.
>>>
>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>>> Real
>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the
>>> experience
>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>>> that
>>>
>>> I
>>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005,
>>> so
>>> I
>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to
>>> use
>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things,
>>> but
>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>>> I
>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>>> the
>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>>> all
>>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable
>>> visual field and acuity.
>>>
>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>>> I
>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>>> chosen.
>>>
>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our
>>> confidence
>>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>>> devices,
>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If
>>> we
>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called
>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>>> students
>>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group
>>> activities
>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also
>>> saw
>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>>> were
>>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people
>>> talk,"
>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>>> led
>>> to self-awareness and confidence building.
>>>
>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>>> skills
>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we
>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>>> by
>>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and
>>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students
>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were
>>> responsible
>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We
>>> had
>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>>> they
>>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us
>>> at
>>> a
>>> distance while we were in the environment.
>>>
>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>>> end
>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They
>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program.
>>> They
>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>>> center
>>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>>> a
>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch,
>>> but
>>> it
>>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the
>>> dining
>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and
>>> navigate
>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>>> counter-clockwise direction.
>>>
>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>>> it
>>> is not the very best option available.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>> Undergraduate Student
>>> The University Honors Program
>>> East Carolina University
>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>
>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>> change
>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CABpnAxGDsDADy5FFb6OCrp-Lrjgy=V=UHAG=u6o5SwCjSPjYQA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Beth,
>>
>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little
>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have
>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for
>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad
>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love
>> it! Enjoy the book!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is?
>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay
>> attention?
>>
>> On 8/14/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, guys.
>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
>>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys
>>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
>>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I
>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
>>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all
>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Beth
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>>
>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400
>> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on
>> the move and a corrected link
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CABpnAxHibrcGCSFU+_RgW4ArDfc-hpe+kH4WNCByefUUifkxZw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Gabe,
>>
>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come
>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts
>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to
>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for
>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list,
>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then
>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you
>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though,
>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> FYI
>>>
>>> ...Gabe
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>>> corrected
>>> link
>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at
>>>> Ground
>>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world
>>>> about
>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much.
>>>>
>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers
>>>>list
>>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and
>>>> book
>>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have
>>>> purchased
>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one
>>>> please
>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All
>>>> copies
>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>>>>
>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts.
>>>> If
>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>>>>lessons around
>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at
>>>> bookstores.
>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful
>>>>to
>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before
>>>>Roselle
>>>>passed on June 26, 2011.
>>>>
>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that
>>>>"Thunder
>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness.
>>>> The
>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a
>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind
>>>> convention
>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>>>>
>>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated
>>>> as
>>>> a
>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American
>>>>Humane
>>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the
>>>>eight
>>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a
>>>> problem.
>>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time
>>>> and
>>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you
>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for
>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>>>>Alma Mater.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As
>>>>always,
>>>> if
>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always
>>>> looking
>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and
>>>>contact
>>>>information. I hope all is well with you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike Hingson
>>>>
>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>>>> "Speaking with Vision"
>>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>>>
>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year
>>>>at
>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>>>>
>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gabriel M. Cazares,
>>> 2nd Vice President
>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs
>>> Phone: 713-581-0619
>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest
>>> willing to let them."
>>> -Robert Frost
>>>
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>>
>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>>
>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
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>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400
>> From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CAN+-G_D7v0DEHG2kvFPkPNLqiYSMZN1j+z_CtannoBx_2H6+RQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hello everyone:
>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds
>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something
>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more
>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days?
>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't
>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be
>> appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick Molloy
>>
>>
>>
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