[nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy

Fri Aug 19 03:29:27 UTC 2011

I don't think blind people should not have to have therapy.  I 
have therapy, however, for a different reason.  But you could say 
it was related to blindness.  My parents from an early age 
embarrassed, sheltered, and otherwise tried to uproot my 
childhood.  I could not comee to terms, for instance, with the 
reality behind who I was.  My mother wanted to make me a real 
person, understand that being real meant accepting that youare 
"negative" or "bad" in some way.  Blindness was seen as a bad 
thing in the household.  Because I was told I acted poorly, I was 
hidden fro the public eye, then was thrown at counselors and told 
that I was the broken child.  My parents, however, do not know 
this, but family dynamics were the reason I was on medications 
and therapy.  Both do not help much because right now, my current 
doc is too far away for me to see.  She lives and works way down 
in Centennial, while I live in East Denver now.  I need a doc 
here in Denver, but it appears the Medicaid came through.  Blind 
people should not have to have this kind of hassle.  
Psychiatrists and therapists are not there to fix one person.  
They should fix the family, not the person.  It's like a doctor 
who treats countries, not patients.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:03:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy

Hi Ashley and all,
Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's
initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally
defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come 
to
acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion 
that
people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've 
spent
some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer
rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and
depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the
depression and sense of helplessness worse.
I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: 
Should
training centers for the blind provide counseling or 
psychotherapy
either as an optional service, or as a required part of the
curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly 
many
students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness
issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to 
need
counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center 
staff
a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all 
need
therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this.
Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned 
earlier
did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming.
Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I
realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness 
or
other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss
common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because 
we
were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing
meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably 
derived
more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about 
blindness-related
issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in 
the
group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy 
generally.
But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could 
offer
some benefit.
Arielle

On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
wrote:
 Arielle,
 I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree 
with Mr.
 Carroll.
 No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from 
the source.
 Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on 
adjustment
 to blindness.
 Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to 
me it makes
 some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the 
denial and
 depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to 
move on and
 get blindness skills.
 People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your 
environment
 and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss.

 I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they 
are
 depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you 
will have to
 give up your driver's license?
 Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then 
no longer
 being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news 
stand and
 magazine stand?
 These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or 
enough vision to
 function in a sighted manner.
 Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be 
desired; and if
 you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on 
weekends. Heck
 most buses stop running at mid evening.
 American society really does not make public transit a priority! 
We as a
 society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge 
loss.
 Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in 
alternative format;
 most newspapers are not accessible either.
 As someone who was legally blind for their life, I
 am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack 
or the news
 stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read 
it.
 So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and 
read or
 drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt 
and go on
 with life?
 Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent 
theory.  I know
 people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something 
and its
 hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For 
instance,
 some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille 
dots; they can
 read slowly or they cannot read at all.

 Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave 
the youth
 age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness 
sports and
 daily living.
 No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students.  I 
guess some staff
 members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they 
certainly
 did not show it.
 Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not
 sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new 
staff and
 probably new ideas in the current center.
 No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more 
positive
 attitude and higher expectations than the founder did.

 Okay, I'll go get the book this week.  Can't read all of it; I 
might get
 depressed.
 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Arielle Silverman
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying?

 Hi all,
 Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center 
was
 the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and 
How to
 Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I 
have
 read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up 
quite a
 bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I 
recently
 wrote.
 Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 
1960's
 and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people 
adjust
 to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's 
eyesight
 is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that 
people
 cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages 
of
 grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they
 eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My 
understanding
 is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose 
their
 sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative
 techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and
 grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is 
that
 they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and 
that
 these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will 
happen
 regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family 
members,
 spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field 
have
 noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences 
depression or
 grief and that some people actually do quite well with early 
training
 in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand 
that the
 reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can 
play a
 huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that 
much of
 the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness 
actually
 come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the 
temporary
 sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative 
skills.
 The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they 
assume
 blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who 
lose
 vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course 
even
 those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when 
we
 hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way 
or
 finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's 
similar
 to research we often see showing how blind children on average 
are
 deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This 
may be
 true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These 
kinds of
 conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be 
accurate, but
 they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors 
that
 allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What
 distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who
 don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking 
on time
 from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are 
rarely
 asked, but they're much more important than the questions that 
lump
 all blind people together, because they show us what 
controllable
 factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask 
these
 kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a 
kind of
 equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted 
and
 unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing!
 Arielle

 On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Justin,

 Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the
 Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it 
happening
 soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and 
a lot
 of them still believe in what FR Carroll did.

 Chris

 On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
 Hello Justin and everyone,

     You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness 
being a
 "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How 
to Live
 With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning 
Allie, or
 Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally 
depressed
 after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it 
in his
 address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic."

 Peter Donahue

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
 To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM
 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind

 I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center:

 If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that 
you don't
 already have, it can benefit you.  If you have the opportunity 
to attend
 an
 NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB
 philosophy),
 choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times.

 I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it 
does not
 surprise me.  I would love to get a good Federationist to take 
over the
 management of the Carroll Center.

 Justin

 Justin M. Salisbury
 Undergraduate Student
 The University Honors Program
 East Carolina University
 salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu

 “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed 
citizens can
 change
 the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”    
—MARGARET MEAD

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 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400
 From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
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         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
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 Hi Everybody!
 I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for 
the
 convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late 
it
 is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
 provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost 
some
 files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, 
but
 our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. 
So if I
 had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
 nabslinkaudio.org.
 So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new 
hosting
 home that does have automated site backups, protects from 
viruses and
 spam, etc.
 So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
 nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the 
switch
 to a new provider.
 During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page 
letting you
 know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
 You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be 
back
 online again.
 Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all 
internet
 service providers have had a chance to update their records to 
reflect
 the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also 
implement
 text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I 
already
 mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want 
their
 numbers shared for getting text notifications of call 
availability get
 said messages and no one else
 and
 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number 
if a
 concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
 validated by the owner
 Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total 
sense
 once you see it!
 If you have any questions, please email me at
 djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
 Thank you.
From David

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 Message: 2
 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400
 From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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 Hi David,

 No problem.  I did three different programs.  In the Summer of 
2006 I
 did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily 
focused upon
 daily living skills.  There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri.  
Then
 there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that.  
Some
 were fun and some not really.  You have the opportunity to do 
fencing,
 and other evening activities.  Some of the evening ones were 
more
 arts/crafts style if I recall.  Its hard to say with the
 extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year.  The ones whichwere 
the
 same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget.  
The
 next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience 
Program(RWWE)
 which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to 
make
 sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait 
until
 after classes were over or on weekends as well.  Once you begin
 working its great I must say.  When I did it they selected a 
place for
 you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & 
Thu you
 went on Field Trips.  Oh yes I forgot about those we went on 
those as
 well in YIT.  They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff 
like
 that.  For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work
 related field trips.  Like once we went to the State House in 
Boston
 and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so
 couldn't do that one.  There were still the activities in the
 afternoon and evening.  I didn't really do the ones in the 
afternoon
 because I got back from work to late always.  I worked at the 
Newton
 Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun 
after I
 got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and 
confidence
 that I could do it all.  I delivered to depts mainly.  For my 
Final
 Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of 
Transition
 To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008.  This program was 4 weeks 
where
 we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at 
Boston
 College.  The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it 
while
 at BC.  There was also a 2 week period before the program 
started for
 all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a 
computer
 program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center.  I
 couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School.  
While
 at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I 
think
 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked.  We stayed in a 
dorm
 which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 
rooms
 with us.  We were given each day $15 for food and had to give 
the
 supervisor all receipts of what we spent.  We definitely got our
 exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education 
Building
 where our seminars took place.  We went on a field trip or two I 
don't
 remember.  I remember we went to either Boston University or one 
of
 the UMass schools.  I and a few of the others in the program 
took the
 train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on 
the
 edge of the college and not far from our dorm.  So, I went there
 sometimes.

 It was a great three years full of making friends.  The cons you
 asked?  Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which 
program
 you are in.  I would say that sometimes you were forced to do 
things
 you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC
 living.  I hope this helps you.

 Justin

 On 8/13/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
 Justin,
 Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of 
experience
 with
 the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what 
you
 learned,
 and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks 
so
 much.

 David
 ----------------------------------
 David Dodge
 Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
 State University of New York Student Assembly
 English Major
 University at Buffalo
 306 Clemens Hall
 Buffalo, NY 14260
 daviddod at buffalo.edu

 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young 
<jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi David,

 I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive 
summers
 at the Corroll Center.  I would be happy to answer any questions 
you
 may have.

 Justin Young

 On 8/12/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for 
the
 Blind
 in
 Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this 
specific
 center?
 I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.

 David
 ----------------------------------
 David Dodge
 Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
 State University of New York Student Assembly
 English Major
 University at Buffalo
 306 Clemens Hall
 Buffalo, NY 14260
 daviddod at buffalo.edu
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 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600
 From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
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 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
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 Peter,
   I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier 
time
 using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio.  To each 
their
 own, I guess.
   Warmly,
 Kirt

 On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
 Hello Joseph and everyone,

     Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not 
use Blio.
 It
 was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with 
access
 for
 blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in 
helping
 to
 develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously 
investigating Blio
 instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none 
or
 nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
 http://www.blio.com

     We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. 
It's a
 great
 product. Now to add more books to our collection.

 Peter Donahue

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

 The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look.  The Kindle 
can be
 accessible, if the publisher wants it to be.  How well it works
 you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself.  *grin*

 Joseph - kf7qzc

 On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com 
wrote:
Listers,
Can you share any  experiences/recommendations for Nook and 
Kindle?

Thanks,
Jan

-----Original Message-----
From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
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Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership 
is
free.

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Behalf

Of Anjelina

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are 
exempt
from

paying the annual fee.

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From: Marsha Drenth

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM

To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'

Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time 
around

convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people 
want to
use

the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been

grandfathered in since the beginning of time?

At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I 
don't
use

BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read 
audibly I

can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning 
Allie
books.

Marsha

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 Message: 4
 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500
 From: "Heather Field" <missheather at comcast.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
 Message-ID: <B4994BAF808D44B7BA43F214F6406C34 at HeatherAcer
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 Hi Kurt,
 I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech 
enabled.
 However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some 
such
 add-on
 to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with 
using
 Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I 
can read my
 ebook.

 Thanks so much.
 Heather

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Kirt Manwaring
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers

 Peter,
   I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier 
time
 using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio.  To each 
their
 own, I guess.
   Warmly,
 Kirt

 On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
 Hello Joseph and everyone,

     Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not 
use Blio.
 It
 was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with 
access
 for
 blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in 
helping
 to
 develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously 
investigating Blio
 instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none 
or
 nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
 http://www.blio.com

     We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. 
It's a
 great
 product. Now to add more books to our collection.

 Peter Donahue

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

 The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look.  The Kindle 
can be
 accessible, if the publisher wants it to be.  How well it works
 you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself.  *grin*

 Joseph - kf7qzc

 On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com 
wrote:
Listers,
Can you share any  experiences/recommendations for Nook and 
Kindle?

Thanks,
Jan

-----Original Message-----
From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership 
is
free.

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf

Of Anjelina

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are 
exempt
from

paying the annual fee.

-----Original Message-----

From: Marsha Drenth

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM

To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'

Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices

I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time 
around

convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people 
want to
use

the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been

grandfathered in since the beginning of time?

At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I 
don't
use

BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read 
audibly I

can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning 
Allie
books.

Marsha

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 Message: 5
 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400
 From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
 Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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 Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: David Dunphy
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read

 Hi Everybody!
 I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for 
the
 convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late 
it
 is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
 provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost 
some
 files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, 
but
 our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. 
So if I
 had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
 nabslinkaudio.org.
 So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new 
hosting
 home that does have automated site backups, protects from 
viruses and
 spam, etc.
 So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
 nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the 
switch
 to a new provider.
 During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page 
letting you
 know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
 You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be 
back
 online again.
 Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all 
internet
 service providers have had a chance to update their records to 
reflect
 the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also 
implement
 text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I 
already
 mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want 
their
 numbers shared for getting text notifications of call 
availability get
 said messages and no one else
 and
 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number 
if a
 concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
 validated by the owner
 Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total 
sense
 once you see it!
 If you have any questions, please email me at
 djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
 Thank you.
From David

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 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400
 From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
 Message-ID:

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 Hi David,

 Technical problems, technical problems! First, 
nabslinkaudio.org's Web
 hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email 
saying that
 AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. 
Thanks
 for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting!

 Chris

 On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net 
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: David Dunphy
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read

 Hi Everybody!
 I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for 
the
 convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late 
it
 is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
 provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost 
some
 files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, 
but
 our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. 
So if I
 had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
 nabslinkaudio.org.
 So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new 
hosting
 home that does have automated site backups, protects from 
viruses and
 spam, etc.
 So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
 nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the 
switch
 to a new provider.
 During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page 
letting you
 know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
 You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be 
back
 online again.
 Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all 
internet
 service providers have had a chance to update their records to 
reflect
 the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also 
implement
 text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I 
already
 mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want 
their
 numbers shared for getting text notifications of call 
availability get
 said messages and no one else
 and
 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number 
if a
 concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
 validated by the owner
 Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total 
sense
 once you see it!
 If you have any questions, please email me at
 djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
 Thank you.
From David

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 Message: 7
 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400
 From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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 David,
 What program is your friend attending? Is it the main 
rehabilitation
 adult
 program? They also have one for work experience called the 
vocational
 transition program.  I can only comment briefly upon the center. 
I have a
 short summer experience to comment on.
 I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the 
adult
 program
 because I am thinking of going back for training.

 Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, 
Program.
 I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; 
now it?s
 a
 shorter program since they have  a new program called
 Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two 
weeks the
 students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks.  
Had I
 known
 about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
 program, I might have attended that during my high school years. 
The
 teens
 in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
 That would have been a good way to get work experience and 
socialize.  I
 was
 friends with the RWWE students though.
 In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days  a week with one 
day of
 field
 trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in 
YIT and
 RWWE
 had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips 
together.
 We also had meals together. I guess that is why we  got to know 
each
 other
 since there was some overlap in experience.

 In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily 
living
 skills.
 Its like  the youth version of the rehab program.
 Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
 Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, 
students
 had
 club activities and in the evening
 there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
 In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
 period.  I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
 curriculars
 and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already 
knew.  I
 wonder
 if the  adult program is more individualized with a good 
evaluation of
 skills before you learn skills in class.

 Some of the classes were communication, personal management, 
mobility,
 and
 information technology.  In communication some students learned 
braille
 but
 I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how 
to erase
 a
 tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that 
class.
 In
 personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class 
focuses on
 cooking, personal care  and housekeeping skills. I practiced 
cutting and
 spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, 
but found
 Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over  hand and 
explained
 things.
 There was another student in my class.  We made
 cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew 
that. We had
 a
 lesson on putting on lipstick too.
 Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with 
shaving and
 bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.

 IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street 
crossing and
 went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went 
on the
 bus.
 I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the 
bus to
 Newton
 center which is a  stip shopping center a few miles from the 
center. I
 had
 practice buying things in the store with customer service 
assistance.

 The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day 
ones. It was
 ten
 years ago!
 I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we 
made clay
 objects and painted them.
 I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep 
ball or
 goal
 ball.
 On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the 
lake to
 swim,
 but I don't think I went; I was too tired.  On Mondays was our 
shopping
 night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went 
canoeing.

 We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were 
usually
 fun.
 I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance 
studio where
 they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's 
shoes and
 outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they 
wanted us to
 know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, 
and
 museums.

 I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw 
one student
 who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the 
vision
 impaired.

 I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: David Dodge
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?

 Hello Everyone,
 A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for 
the Blind
 in
 Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this 
specific
 center?
 I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.

 David
 ----------------------------------
 David Dodge
 Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
 State University of New York Student Assembly
 English Major
 University at Buffalo
 306 Clemens Hall
 Buffalo, NY 14260
 daviddod at buffalo.edu
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 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400
 From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,    Blind Talk Mailing List
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 \"Ross
         Hammond\" <editor at matildaziegler.com>,  \"alena 
roberts\""
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 Cc: Ariana Lipka <arigeogirl at gmail.com>, ariannas.art at gmail.com
 Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's 
Art:
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 Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!

 Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info 
for
 information on our foundation and how it helps blind and 
visually
 impaired children in MD say "I can!"

 Hi everyone,

 I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in 
our
 painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. 
We've
 just created an email account where you can send us questions,
 comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our
 business. If you would like to advertise our product by 
displaying it
 at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would 
like to
 advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this 
email.
 Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying 
to
 create an email list for people who would like to recieve
 announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you 
would
 like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address 
to
 our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, 
we'll
 email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us,
 please leave us your name and email address at the above email. 
The
 email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has 
two
 n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from 
you
 soon!

 Chris

 ------------------------------

 Message: 9
 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000
 From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
 To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
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 I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive 
summers
 with
 Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.

 Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin 
Corporation, an
 underground mafia meat market.  It was an amazing social 
experience with
 all
 of the other students involved.  If only considering the social 
frontier,
 I
 highly recommend it.

 I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and 
then the
 Real
 World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007.  I valued every bit of the
 experience
 both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental 
disagreement
 that
 I
 now have with the training that I received.  I lost my vision in 
2005, so
 I
 was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center.  They 
taught me to
 use
 my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to 
use my
 remaining vision.  I wish that they had taught me how to do 
everything
 non-visually.  I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me 
during O&M
 lessons and other lessons in general.  I learned a lot of great 
things,
 but
 blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things 
non-visually.
 I
 am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana 
Center for
 the
 Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I 
will learn
 all
 of the skills I need non-visually.  Also understand that I have 
a stable
 visual field and acuity.

 I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I 
was before
 I
 went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could 
have
 chosen.

 In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our 
confidence
 and social skills.  They taught us some basic cooking skills, 
how to do
 laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low 
vision
 devices,
 and they had a class called "personal management," where they 
taught us
 about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like 
that.  If we
 already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and 
suggest
 modifications in technique if necessary.  They also had a class 
called
 adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and 
other
 students
 with less vision than me to Jaws.  We had a lot of great group 
activities
 and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time.  
We also
 saw
 a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure 
that we
 were
 adjusting well to the environment.  Another activity, called 
"people
 talk,"
 was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues 
that often
 led
 to self-awareness and confidence building.

 In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on 
our
 skills
 for a week and prepared for a month of work.  Once we started 
work, we
 worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we 
were paid
 by
 the Carroll Center.  The other two days were used for field 
trips and
 training days.  Again, it was an amazing experience.  Different 
students
 were placed in different positions in the Boston area.  We were
 responsible
 for using public transportation to get to and from our work 
sites.  We
 had
 two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the 
program, so
 they
 weren't with us all the time.  They were sighted people who 
watched us at
 a
 distance while we were in the environment.

 At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who 
were at the
 end
 of their adult program, which runs during the regular school 
year.  They
 spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't 
an
 aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their 
program.  They
 studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB 
training
 center
 would push them to become.  Also, students at the Carroll Center 
live in
 a
 dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable 
crutch, but
 it
 does not push them to really be independent.  When you walk into 
the
 dining
 hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and 
navigate
 the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
 counter-clockwise direction.

 The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in 
it, but
 it
 is not the very best option available.

 I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.

 Justin

 Justin M. Salisbury
 Undergraduate Student
 The University Honors Program
 East Carolina University
 salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu

 ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed 
citizens can
 change
 the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.?    
?MARGARET MEAD

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 Message: 10
 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400
 From: David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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 Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and 
is
 interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know 
you had
 very
 positive experiences.

 David
 ----------------------------------
 David Dodge
 Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
 State University of New York Student Assembly
 English Major
 University at Buffalo
 306 Clemens Hall
 Buffalo, NY 14260
 daviddod at buffalo.edu

 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
wrote:

 David,
 What program is your friend attending? Is it the main 
rehabilitation
 adult
 program? They also have one for work experience called the 
vocational
 transition program.  I can only comment briefly upon the center. 
I have
 a
 short summer experience to comment on.
 I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the 
adult
 program
 because I am thinking of going back for training.

 Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, 
Program.
 I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; 
now
 it?s
 a
 shorter program since they have  a new program called
 Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two 
weeks the
 students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks.  
Had I
 known
 about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
 program, I might have attended that during my high school years. 
The
 teens
 in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
 That would have been a good way to get work experience and 
socialize.  I
 was friends with the RWWE students though.
 In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days  a week with one 
day of
 field
 trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in 
YIT and
 RWWE
 had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips 
together.
 We also had meals together. I guess that is why we  got to know 
each
 other
 since there was some overlap in experience.

 In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily 
living
 skills.
 Its like  the youth version of the rehab program.
 Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
 Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, 
students
 had club activities and in the evening
 there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
 In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
 period.  I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
 curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I 
already
 knew.  I wonder if the  adult program is more individualized 
with a good
 evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class.

 Some of the classes were communication, personal management, 
mobility,
 and
 information technology.  In communication some students learned 
braille
 but
 I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how 
to
 erase
 a
 tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that 
class.
 In
 personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class 
focuses on
 cooking, personal care  and housekeeping skills. I practiced 
cutting and
 spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, 
but found
 Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over  hand and 
explained
 things.
 There was another student in my class.  We made
 cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew 
that. We
 had
 a
 lesson on putting on lipstick too.
 Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with 
shaving and
 bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.

 IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street 
crossing
 and
 went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went 
on the
 bus.
 I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the 
bus to
 Newton
 center which is a  stip shopping center a few miles from the 
center. I
 had
 practice buying things in the store with customer service 
assistance.

 The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day 
ones. It was
 ten years ago!
 I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we 
made clay
 objects and painted them.
 I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep 
ball or
 goal
 ball.
 On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the 
lake to
 swim,
 but I don't think I went; I was too tired.  On Mondays was our 
shopping
 night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went 
canoeing.

 We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were 
usually
 fun.
 I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance 
studio where
 they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's 
shoes and
 outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they 
wanted us
 to
 know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, 
and
 museums.

 I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw 
one
 student
 who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the 
vision
 impaired.

 I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
 -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?

 Hello Everyone,
 A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for 
the Blind
 in
 Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this 
specific
 center?
 I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.

 David
 ------------------------------**----
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 State University of New York Student Assembly
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 University at Buffalo
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 Buffalo, NY 14260
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 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500
 From: Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com
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         <tabs_students at googlegroups.com>,       nabs-l
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 FYI

 ...Gabe

 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
 Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and 
a
 corrected
 link
 To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org

Hello,

Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new 
book,
"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of 
Trust at
Ground
Zero " was released on August 2.  .  Please continue to tell the 
world
about
its release and please encourage your friends, family, and 
colleagues to
order Thunder Dog.  I would appreciate your help very much.

Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release 
it has
climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best 
Sellers
 list
for print and eBooks.  This is incredible according to my 
publisher and
book
agent.  I wanted to share the exciting news.  I hope that you 
have
purchased
your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog.  If you want to buy 
one
please
visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog".  
All
copies
come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.

Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble 
charts.
If
you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn 
some life
lessons around
9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at
bookstores.
Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit 
www.michaelhingson.com and
purchase copies.  The pawtograph from Roselle is especially 
meaningful to
me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days 
before
 Roselle
passed on June 26, 2011.

The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous.  I hope that 
"Thunder
Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about 
blindness.
The
book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available 
at
www.michaelhingson.com.  The audio edition has some extras 
including a
speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind
convention
in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.

I also wish your help on another front.  In June, Roselle was 
nominated
as
a
candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the 
American Humane
Association.  Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of 
the
 eight
finalists.  The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had 
a
problem.
I have corrected the difficulty.  Again I am asking you to take 
the time
and
vote for her at 
www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
You can vote daily through September 30, 2011.  I would 
appreciate you
spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win.  A victory 
for
Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the 
Blind, her
Alma Mater.

Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years.  As 
always,
if
you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am 
always
looking
for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and 
contact
information.  I hope all is well with you.

Best,

Mike Hingson

The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
  "Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on 
Michael
Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
www.michaelhingson.com

Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the 
year at
www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458

To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com

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 --
 Gabriel M. Cazares,
 2nd Vice President
 Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
 (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
 www.nfbtx.org/tabs
 Phone: 713-581-0619
 "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the 
rest
 willing to let them."
 -Robert Frost

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 Message: 12
 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600
 From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
 Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com
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 Hi, guys.
 I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
 of Roselle's passing.  The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
 her to have the American Hero Dog award.  How many of you guys
 have voted for her?  I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
 myself.  Anyway, if anybody has voted, great.  If you haven't, I
 have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
 thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
 heard it.  I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
 portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog.  So let's all
 vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
 Thanks.
 Beth

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 Message: 13
 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500
 From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
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 Hello Justin and everyone,

     For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the 
Carroll
 Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from 
Massachusetts and saw
 the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went 
there. What
 can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as 
a
 "Dying."
 If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get 
what you
 need
 once and it will last you a life time.

 Peter Donahue

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
 To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind