[nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy

[Carly]

Hi, Beth,

'Sounds sort of like the way I was raised, with 
my folks being dismissive of blind people's 
abbilities. yett, I didn't have any real issues 
with which a therapist and meds, needed to be 
involved. 'sounds that you did. It's just perhaps 
a natural realization of your folks not 
necessarily having, what you see as your best interests, in mind.

How is Metro, treating you? I think you've started, by now.
for today,
CarAt 08:29 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote:
>I don't think blind people should not have to 
>have therapy.  I have therapy, however, for a 
>different reason.  But you could say it was 
>related to blindness.  My parents from an early 
>age embarrassed, sheltered, and otherwise tried 
>to uproot my childhood.  I could not comee to 
>terms, for instance, with the reality behind who 
>I was.  My mother wanted to make me a real 
>person, understand that being real meant 
>accepting that youare "negative" or "bad" in 
>some way.  Blindness was seen as a bad thing in 
>the household.  Because I was told I acted 
>poorly, I was hidden fro the public eye, then 
>was thrown at counselors and told that I was the 
>broken child.  My parents, however, do not know 
>this, but family dynamics were the reason I was 
>on medications and therapy.  Both do not help 
>much because right now, my current doc is too 
>far away for me to see.  She lives and works way 
>down in Centennial, while I live in East Denver 
>now.  I need a doc here in Denver, but it 
>appears the Medicaid came through.  Blind people 
>should not have to have this kind of hassle.
>Psychiatrists and therapists are not there to fix one person.
>They should fix the family, not the 
>person.  It's like a doctor who treats countries, not patients.
>Beth
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:03:41 -0600
>Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy
>
>Hi Ashley and all,
>Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's
>initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally
>defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come to
>acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion that
>people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've spent
>some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer
>rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and
>depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the
>depression and sense of helplessness worse.
>I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: Should
>training centers for the blind provide counseling or psychotherapy
>either as an optional service, or as a required part of the
>curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly many
>students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness
>issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to need
>counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center staff
>a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all need
>therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this.
>Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned earlier
>did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming.
>Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I
>realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness or
>other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss
>common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because we
>were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing
>meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably derived
>more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about blindness-related
>issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in the
>group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy generally.
>But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could offer
>some benefit.
>Arielle
>
>On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Arielle,
>I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr.
>Carroll.
>No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source.
>Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment
>to blindness.
>Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes
>some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial and
>depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on and
>get blindness skills.
>People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment
>and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss.
>
>I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are
>depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to
>give up your driver's license?
>Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer
>being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and
>magazine stand?
>These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision to
>function in a sighted manner.
>Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if
>you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. Heck
>most buses stop running at mid evening.
>American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a
>society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss.
>Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format;
>most newspapers are not accessible either.
>As someone who was legally blind for their life, I
>am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news
>stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it.
>So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or
>drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on
>with life?
>Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory.  I know
>people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its
>hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance,
>some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they can
>read slowly or they cannot read at all.
>
>Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth
>age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and
>daily living.
>No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students.  I guess some staff
>members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly
>did not show it.
>Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not
>sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and
>probably new ideas in the current center.
>No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive
>attitude and higher expectations than the founder did.
>
>Okay, I'll go get the book this week.  Can't read all of it; I might get
>depressed.
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Arielle Silverman
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying?
>
>Hi all,
>Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was
>the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to
>Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have
>read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a
>bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently
>wrote.
>Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's
>and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust
>to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight
>is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people
>cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of
>grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they
>eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding
>is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their
>sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative
>techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and
>grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that
>they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that
>these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen
>regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members,
>spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have
>noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or
>grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training
>in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the
>reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a
>huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of
>the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually
>come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary
>sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills.
>The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume
>blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose
>vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even
>those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we
>hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or
>finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar
>to research we often see showing how blind children on average are
>deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be
>true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of
>conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but
>they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that
>allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What
>distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who
>don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time
>from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely
>asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump
>all blind people together, because they show us what controllable
>factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these
>kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of
>equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and
>unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing!
>Arielle
>
>On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Justin,
>
>Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the
>Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening
>soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot
>of them still believe in what FR Carroll did.
>
>Chris
>
>On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>Hello Justin and everyone,
>
>     You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a
>"Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live
>With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or
>Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed
>after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his
>address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic."
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM
>Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>
>
>I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center:
>
>If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't
>already have, it can benefit you.  If you have the opportunity to attend
>an
>NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB
>philosophy),
>choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times.
>
>I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not
>surprise me.  I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the
>management of the Carroll Center.
>
>Justin
>
>Justin M. Salisbury
>Undergraduate Student
>The University Honors Program
>East Carolina University
>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>
>“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>change
>the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
>—MARGARET MEAD
>
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>    1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy)
>    2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young)
>    3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring)
>    4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field)
>    5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>       (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
>    6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum)
>    7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
>    8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email
>       address for the business (chris nusbaum)
>    9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark)
>   10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge)
>   11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>       corrected link (Gabe Cazares)
>   12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth)
>   13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue)
>   14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum)
>   15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
>       (chris nusbaum)
>   16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
>       (chris nusbaum)
>   17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum)
>   18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum)
>   19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move
>       and a corrected link (chris nusbaum)
>   20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400
>From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
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>Hi Everybody!
>I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>nabslinkaudio.org.
>So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>spam, etc.
>So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>to a new provider.
>During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>online again.
>Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>said messages and no one else
>and
>2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>validated by the owner
>Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>once you see it!
>If you have any questions, please email me at
>djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>Thank you.
> From David
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400
>From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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>Hi David,
>
>No problem.  I did three different programs.  In the Summer of 2006 I
>did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon
>daily living skills.  There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri.
>Then
>there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that.
>Some
>were fun and some not really.  You have the opportunity to do fencing,
>and other evening activities.  Some of the evening ones were more
>arts/crafts style if I recall.  Its hard to say with the
>extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year.  The ones whichwere the
>same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget.
>The
>next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE)
>which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make
>sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until
>after classes were over or on weekends as well.  Once you begin
>working its great I must say.  When I did it they selected a place for
>you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you
>went on Field Trips.  Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as
>well in YIT.  They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like
>that.  For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work
>related field trips.  Like once we went to the State House in Boston
>and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so
>couldn't do that one.  There were still the activities in the
>afternoon and evening.  I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon
>because I got back from work to late always.  I worked at the Newton
>Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I
>got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence
>that I could do it all.  I delivered to depts mainly.  For my Final
>Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition
>To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008.  This program was 4 weeks where
>we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston
>College.  The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while
>at BC.  There was also a 2 week period before the program started for
>all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer
>program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center.  I
>couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School.
>While
>at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think
>3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked.  We stayed in a dorm
>which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms
>with us.  We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the
>supervisor all receipts of what we spent.  We definitely got our
>exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building
>where our seminars took place.  We went on a field trip or two I don't
>remember.  I remember we went to either Boston University or one of
>the UMass schools.  I and a few of the others in the program took the
>train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the
>edge of the college and not far from our dorm.  So, I went there
>sometimes.
>
>It was a great three years full of making friends.  The cons you
>asked?  Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program
>you are in.  I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things
>you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC
>living.  I hope this helps you.
>
>Justin
>
>On 8/13/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>Justin,
>Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience
>with
>the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you
>learned,
>and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so
>much.
>
>David
>----------------------------------
>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
>English Major
>University at Buffalo
>306 Clemens Hall
>Buffalo, NY 14260
>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi David,
>
>I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers
>at the Corroll Center.  I would be happy to answer any questions you
>may have.
>
>Justin Young
>
>On 8/12/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the
>Blind
>in
>Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>center?
>I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>
>David
>----------------------------------
>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
>English Major
>University at Buffalo
>306 Clemens Hall
>Buffalo, NY 14260
>daviddod at buffalo.edu
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600
>From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
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>Peter,
>   I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
>using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio.  To each their
>own, I guess.
>   Warmly,
>Kirt
>
>On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>Hello Joseph and everyone,
>
>     Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio.
>It
>was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access
>for
>blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping
>to
>develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
>instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
>nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
>http://www.blio.com
>
>     We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a
>great
>product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>
>
>The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look.  The Kindle can be
>accessible, if the publisher wants it to be.  How well it works
>you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself.  *grin*
>
>Joseph - kf7qzc
>
>
>On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>Listers,
>Can you share any  experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>
>Thanks,
>Jan
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
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><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
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>
>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is
>free.
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
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>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf
>
>Of Anjelina
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>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM
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>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt
>from
>
>paying the annual fee.
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>-----Original Message-----
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>From: Marsha Drenth
>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>
>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
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>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>
>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to
>use
>
>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>
>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
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>
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>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't
>use
>
>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>
>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500
>From: "Heather Field" <missheather at comcast.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
>Message-ID: <B4994BAF808D44B7BA43F214F6406C34 at HeatherAcer
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>Hi Kurt,
>I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled.
>However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such
>add-on
>to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using
>Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my
>ebook.
>
>Thanks so much.
>Heather
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kirt Manwaring
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
>
>Peter,
>   I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
>using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio.  To each their
>own, I guess.
>   Warmly,
>Kirt
>
>On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>Hello Joseph and everyone,
>
>     Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio.
>It
>was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access
>for
>blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping
>to
>develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
>instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
>nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
>http://www.blio.com
>
>     We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a
>great
>product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>
>
>The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look.  The Kindle can be
>accessible, if the publisher wants it to be.  How well it works
>you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself.  *grin*
>
>Joseph - kf7qzc
>
>
>On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>Listers,
>Can you share any  experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>
>Thanks,
>Jan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>
>
>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is
>free.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf
>
>Of Anjelina
>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM
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>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>
>
>
>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt
>from
>
>paying the annual fee.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Marsha Drenth
>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>
>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>
>
>
>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>
>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to
>use
>
>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>
>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
>
>
>
>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't
>use
>
>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>
>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie
>books.
>
>
>
>Marsha
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400
>From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
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>Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Dunphy
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>
>Hi Everybody!
>I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>nabslinkaudio.org.
>So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>spam, etc.
>So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>to a new provider.
>During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>online again.
>Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>said messages and no one else
>and
>2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>validated by the owner
>Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>once you see it!
>If you have any questions, please email me at
>djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>Thank you.
> From David
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>Message-ID:
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>Hi David,
>
>Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web
>hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that
>AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks
>for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting!
>
>Chris
>
>On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Dunphy
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>
>Hi Everybody!
>I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
>convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
>is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
>provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
>files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
>our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
>had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
>nabslinkaudio.org.
>So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
>home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
>spam, etc.
>So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
>nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
>to a new provider.
>During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
>know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
>You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
>online again.
>Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
>service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
>the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
>text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
>mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
>1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
>numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
>said messages and no one else
>and
>2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
>concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
>validated by the owner
>Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
>once you see it!
>If you have any questions, please email me at
>djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
>Thank you.
> From David
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400
>From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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>David,
>What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation
>adult
>program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
>transition program.  I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a
>short summer experience to comment on.
>I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult
>program
>because I am thinking of going back for training.
>
>Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
>I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s
>a
>shorter program since they have  a new program called
>Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
>students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks.
>Had I
>known
>about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
>program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The
>teens
>in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
>That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize.  I
>was
>friends with the RWWE students though.
>In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days  a week with one day of
>field
>trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and
>RWWE
>had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
>We also had meals together. I guess that is why we  got to know each
>other
>since there was some overlap in experience.
>
>In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living
>skills.
>Its like  the youth version of the rehab program.
>Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
>Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students
>had
>club activities and in the evening
>there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
>In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
>period.  I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
>curriculars
>and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew.  I
>wonder
>if the  adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of
>skills before you learn skills in class.
>
>Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility,
>and
>information technology.  In communication some students learned braille
>but
>I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase
>a
>tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class.
>In
>personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
>cooking, personal care  and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
>spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
>Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over  hand and explained
>things.
>There was another student in my class.  We made
>cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had
>a
>lesson on putting on lipstick too.
>Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
>bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
>
>IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and
>went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the
>bus.
>I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to
>Newton
>center which is a  stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I
>had
>practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
>
>The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was
>ten
>years ago!
>I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
>objects and painted them.
>I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or
>goal
>ball.
>On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to
>swim,
>but I don't think I went; I was too tired.  On Mondays was our shopping
>night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
>
>We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually
>fun.
>I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
>they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
>outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to
>know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and
>museums.
>
>I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student
>who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
>impaired.
>
>I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Dodge
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>
>Hello Everyone,
>A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind
>in
>Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>center?
>I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>
>David
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
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>
>--
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>
>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>
>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>
>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our
>painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've
>just created an email account where you can send us questions,
>comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our
>business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it
>at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to
>advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email.
>Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to
>create an email list for people who would like to recieve
>announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would
>like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to
>our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll
>email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us,
>please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The
>email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two
>n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you
>soon!
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000
>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
>To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>Message-ID:
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>I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>with
>Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>
>Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>underground mafia meat market.  It was an amazing social experience with
>all
>of the other students involved.  If only considering the social frontier,
>I
>highly recommend it.
>
>I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>Real
>World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007.  I valued every bit of the
>experience
>both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>that
>I
>now have with the training that I received.  I lost my vision in 2005, so
>I
>was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center.  They taught me to
>use
>my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>remaining vision.  I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>non-visually.  I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>lessons and other lessons in general.  I learned a lot of great things,
>but
>blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>I
>am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>the
>Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>all
>of the skills I need non-visually.  Also understand that I have a stable
>visual field and acuity.
>
>I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>I
>went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>chosen.
>
>In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
>and social skills.  They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>devices,
>and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that.  If we
>already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>modifications in technique if necessary.  They also had a class called
>adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>students
>with less vision than me to Jaws.  We had a lot of great group activities
>and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time.
>We also
>saw
>a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>were
>adjusting well to the environment.  Another activity, called "people
>talk,"
>was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>led
>to self-awareness and confidence building.
>
>In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>skills
>for a week and prepared for a month of work.  Once we started work, we
>worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>by
>the Carroll Center.  The other two days were used for field trips and
>training days.  Again, it was an amazing experience.  Different students
>were placed in different positions in the Boston area.  We were
>responsible
>for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites.  We
>had
>two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>they
>weren't with us all the time.  They were sighted people who watched us at
>a
>distance while we were in the environment.
>
>At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>end
>of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year.  They
>spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program.  They
>studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>center
>would push them to become.  Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>a
>dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but
>it
>does not push them to really be independent.  When you walk into the
>dining
>hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
>the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>counter-clockwise direction.
>
>The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>it
>is not the very best option available.
>
>I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>
>Justin
>
>
>
>Justin M. Salisbury
>Undergraduate Student
>The University Honors Program
>East Carolina University
>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>
>?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>change
>the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.?
>?MARGARET MEAD
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400
>From: David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>Message-ID:
>
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>Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is
>interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had
>very
>positive experiences.
>
>David
>----------------------------------
>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
>English Major
>University at Buffalo
>306 Clemens Hall
>Buffalo, NY 14260
>daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>David,
>What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation
>adult
>program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
>transition program.  I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have
>a
>short summer experience to comment on.
>I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult
>program
>because I am thinking of going back for training.
>
>Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
>I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now
>it?s
>a
>shorter program since they have  a new program called
>Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
>students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks.
>Had I
>known
>about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
>program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The
>teens
>in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
>That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize.  I
>was friends with the RWWE students though.
>In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days  a week with one day of
>field
>trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and
>RWWE
>had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
>We also had meals together. I guess that is why we  got to know each
>other
>since there was some overlap in experience.
>
>In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living
>skills.
>Its like  the youth version of the rehab program.
>Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
>Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students
>had club activities and in the evening
>there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
>In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
>period.  I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
>curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already
>knew.  I wonder if the  adult program is more individualized with a good
>evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class.
>
>Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility,
>and
>information technology.  In communication some students learned braille
>but
>I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to
>erase
>a
>tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class.
>In
>personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
>cooking, personal care  and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
>spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
>Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over  hand and explained
>things.
>There was another student in my class.  We made
>cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We
>had
>a
>lesson on putting on lipstick too.
>Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
>bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
>
>IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing
>and
>went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the
>bus.
>I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to
>Newton
>center which is a  stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I
>had
>practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
>
>The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was
>ten years ago!
>I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
>objects and painted them.
>I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or
>goal
>ball.
>On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to
>swim,
>but I don't think I went; I was too tired.  On Mondays was our shopping
>night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
>
>We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually
>fun.
>I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
>they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
>outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us
>to
>know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and
>museums.
>
>I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one
>student
>who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
>impaired.
>
>I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>
>Hello Everyone,
>A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind
>in
>Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>center?
>I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>
>David
>------------------------------**----
>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
>English Major
>University at Buffalo
>306 Clemens Hall
>Buffalo, NY 14260
>daviddod at buffalo.edu
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>  Message: 11
>  Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500
>  From: Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com
>  To: members <members at nfbtx.org>, tabs_students
>         <tabs_students at googlegroups.com>,       nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the
>         move and a corrected link
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>FYI
>
>...Gabe
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>corrected
>link
>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at
>Ground
>Zero " was released on August 2.  .  Please continue to tell the world
>about
>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>order Thunder Dog.  I would appreciate your help very much.
>
>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers
>list
>for print and eBooks.  This is incredible according to my publisher and
>book
>agent.  I wanted to share the exciting news.  I hope that you have
>purchased
>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog.  If you want to buy one
>please
>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog".
>All
>copies
>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>
>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts.
>If
>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>lessons around
>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at
>bookstores.
>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>purchase copies.  The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to
>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before
>Roselle
>passed on June 26, 2011.
>
>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous.  I hope that "Thunder
>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness.
>The
>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>www.michaelhingson.com.  The audio edition has some extras including a
>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind
>convention
>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>
>I also wish your help on another front.  In June, Roselle was nominated
>as
>a
>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane
>Association.  Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the
>eight
>finalists.  The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a
>problem.
>I have corrected the difficulty.  Again I am asking you to take the time
>and
>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011.  I would appreciate you
>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win.  A victory for
>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>Alma Mater.
>
>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years.  As always,
>if
>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always
>looking
>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact
>information.  I hope all is well with you.
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>Mike Hingson
>
>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>  "Speaking with Vision"
>Michael Hingson, President
>(415) 827-4084
>info at michaelhingson.com
>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>www.michaelhingson.com
>
>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at
>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>
>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Nfbnet-members-list mailing list
>Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
>--
>Gabriel M. Cazares,
>2nd Vice President
>Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
>(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
>www.nfbtx.org/tabs
>Phone: 713-581-0619
>"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest
>willing to let them."
>-Robert Frost
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600
>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
>Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi, guys.
>I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
>of Roselle's passing.  The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
>her to have the American Hero Dog award.  How many of you guys
>have voted for her?  I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
>myself.  Anyway, if anybody has voted, great.  If you haven't, I
>have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
>thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
>heard it.  I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
>portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog.  So let's all
>vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
>Thanks.
>Beth
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500
>From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"
>
>Hello Justin and everyone,
>
>     For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
>Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw
>the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What
>can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a
>"Dying."
>If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you
>need
>once and it will last you a life time.
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
>Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>
>
>I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>with
>Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>
>Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>underground mafia meat market.  It was an amazing social experience with
>all
>of the other students involved.  If only considering the social frontier,
>I
>highly recommend it.
>
>I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>Real
>World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007.  I valued every bit of the
>experience
>both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>that
>I
>now have with the training that I received.  I lost my vision in 2005, so
>I
>was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center.  They taught me to
>use
>my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>remaining vision.  I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>non-visually.  I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>lessons and other lessons in general.  I learned a lot of great things,
>but
>blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>I
>am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>the
>Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>all
>of the skills I need non-visually.  Also understand that I have a stable
>visual field and acuity.
>
>I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>I
>went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>chosen.
>
>In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
>and social skills.  They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>devices,
>and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that.  If we
>already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>modifications in technique if necessary.  They also had a class called
>adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>students
>with less vision than me to Jaws.  We had a lot of great group activities
>and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time.
>We also
>saw
>a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>were
>adjusting well to the environment.  Another activity, called "people
>talk,"
>was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>led
>to self-awareness and confidence building.
>
>In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>skills
>for a week and prepared for a month of work.  Once we started work, we
>worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>by
>the Carroll Center.  The other two days were used for field trips and
>training days.  Again, it was an amazing experience.  Different students
>were placed in different positions in the Boston area.  We were
>responsible
>for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites.  We
>had
>two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>they
>weren't with us all the time.  They were sighted people who watched us at
>a
>distance while we were in the environment.
>
>At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>end
>of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year.  They
>spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program.  They
>studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>center
>would push them to become.  Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>a
>dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but
>it
>does not push them to really be independent.  When you walk into the
>dining
>hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
>the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>counter-clockwise direction.
>
>The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>it
>is not the very best option available.
>
>I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>
>Justin
>
>
>
>Justin M. Salisbury
>Undergraduate Student
>The University Honors Program
>East Carolina University
>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>
>?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>change
>the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.?
>?MARGARET MEAD
>
>
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 14
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts?
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>Hi everyone,
>
>I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send
>a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind
>of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm
>asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art,
>Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us
>questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts
>list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts
>when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this
>in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic
>HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send
>one message to all contacts? Thanks!
>
>--
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>
>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>
>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>
>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 15
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors
>         flier
>Message-ID:
>
><CABpnAxHG7+DGAjuu2LQum16Gut=rtNmez3SOHx9G_g0SxmbJ7A at mail.gmail.c
>om
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
><firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500
>Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
>To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
><nabs at acb.org
>
>*Employment Mentoring Project*
>
>*Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind *
>
>**
>
>Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job??
>
>Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their
>career in a profession similar to yours??
>
>We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
>mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
>
>*BENEFITS*
>
>?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested
>in working in your profession
>
>?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
>
>*RESPONSIBILITIES*
>
>?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee
>graduates
>
>?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job
>shadowing
>
>?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
>
>?Complete online activities monthly
>
>**
>
>*ELIGIBILITY*
>
>?Legal blindness
>
>?Currently employed or retired from a professional career
>
>?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
>software/hardware needed to access online materials
>
>*INTERESTED?*
>
>?*Complete the eligibility survey at
>*http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals**
>
>**
>
>?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
>University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
>rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
>1-800-675-7782
>
>
>
>
>--
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>
>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>
>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>
>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 16
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,    Blind Talk Mailing List
><blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees
>         flier.
>Message-ID:
>
><CABpnAxE+K3tVMPpAY7EGCZ=HS=DnyArud-Ya_H+nN1heA-v2aQ at mail.gmail.c
>om
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
><firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500
>Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
>To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
><nabs at acb.org
>
>*Employment Mentoring Project*
>
>*For Students Who Are Legally Blind*
>
>**
>
>Is finding a job your next big step after graduation??
>
>Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind
>and has experience in your profession of interest??
>
>We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
>mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
>
>*BENEFITS*
>
>?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind
>
>?Access to career development resources
>
>?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
>
>*RESPONSIBILITIES*
>
>?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation
>
>?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
>
>?Complete online activities monthly
>
>**
>
>*ELIGIBILITY*
>
>?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who:
>
>oIs legally blind
>
>oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012
>
>oExpects to seek employment after graduation
>
>oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
>software/hardware needed to access online materials
>
>*INTERESTED?*
>
>?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students**
>
>?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
>University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
>rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
>1-800-675-7782
>
>
>
>
>--
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>
>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>
>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>
>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 17
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>Message-ID:
>
><CABpnAxHz5Gn0S-s3q_Yb4H47HMK7APhSbcsxpJHGLTNHU9Cs1A at mail.gmail.c
>om
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to
>start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about
>attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend
>BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed,
>from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center
>next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota,
>Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought
>were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each
>program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences
>in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely
>be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm
>going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into
>9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks!
>
>Chris
>
>On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>Hello Justin and everyone,
>
>     For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
>Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and
>saw
>the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there.
>What
>can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a
>"Dying."
>If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you
>need
>once and it will last you a life time.
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
>Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>
>
>I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers
>with
>Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>
>Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
>underground mafia meat market.  It was an amazing social experience with
>all
>of the other students involved.  If only considering the social
>frontier,
>I
>highly recommend it.
>
>I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the
>Real
>World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007.  I valued every bit of the
>experience
>both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement
>that
>
>I
>now have with the training that I received.  I lost my vision in 2005,
>so
>I
>was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center.  They taught me to
>use
>my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
>remaining vision.  I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
>non-visually.  I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
>lessons and other lessons in general.  I learned a lot of great things,
>but
>blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually.
>I
>am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for
>the
>Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn
>all
>of the skills I need non-visually.  Also understand that I have a stable
>visual field and acuity.
>
>I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before
>I
>went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
>chosen.
>
>In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our
>confidence
>and social skills.  They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
>laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision
>devices,
>and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
>about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that.  If
>we
>already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
>modifications in technique if necessary.  They also had a class called
>adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other
>students
>with less vision than me to Jaws.  We had a lot of great group
>activities
>and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time.
>We also
>saw
>a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we
>were
>adjusting well to the environment.  Another activity, called "people
>talk,"
>was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often
>led
>to self-awareness and confidence building.
>
>In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our
>skills
>for a week and prepared for a month of work.  Once we started work, we
>worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid
>by
>the Carroll Center.  The other two days were used for field trips and
>training days.  Again, it was an amazing experience.  Different students
>were placed in different positions in the Boston area.  We were
>responsible
>for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites.  We
>had
>two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so
>they
>weren't with us all the time.  They were sighted people who watched us
>at
>a
>distance while we were in the environment.
>
>At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the
>end
>of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year.  They
>spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
>aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program.
>They
>studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training
>center
>would push them to become.  Also, students at the Carroll Center live in
>a
>dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch,
>but
>it
>does not push them to really be independent.  When you walk into the
>dining
>hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and
>navigate
>the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
>counter-clockwise direction.
>
>The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but
>it
>is not the very best option available.
>
>I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>
>Justin
>
>
>
>Justin M. Salisbury
>Undergraduate Student
>The University Honors Program
>East Carolina University
>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>
>?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>change
>the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.?
>?MARGARET MEAD
>
>
>
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>
>--
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>
>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>
>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>
>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 18
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
>Message-ID:
>
><CABpnAxGDsDADy5FFb6OCrp-Lrjgy=V=UHAG=u6o5SwCjSPjYQA at mail.gmail.c
>om
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Hi Beth,
>
>Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little
>weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have
>recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for
>me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad
>Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love
>it! Enjoy the book!
>
>Chris
>
>P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is?
>Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay
>attention?
>
>On 8/14/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi, guys.
>I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
>of Roselle's passing.  The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
>her to have the American Hero Dog award.  How many of you guys
>have voted for her?  I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
>myself.  Anyway, if anybody has voted, great.  If you haven't, I
>have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
>thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
>heard it.  I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
>portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog.  So let's all
>vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
>Thanks.
>Beth
>
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>
>
>
>--
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>
>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>
>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>
>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 19
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400
>From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on
>         the move and a corrected link
>Message-ID:
>
><CABpnAxHibrcGCSFU+_RgW4ArDfc-hpe+kH4WNCByefUUifkxZw at mail.gmail.c
>om
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Hi Gabe,
>
>Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come
>across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts
>something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to
>everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for
>people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list,
>then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then
>another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you
>posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though,
>because they're on different servers. Just letting you know!
>
>Chris
>
>On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>FYI
>
>...Gabe
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
>corrected
>link
>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at
>Ground
>Zero " was released on August 2.  .  Please continue to tell the world
>about
>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>order Thunder Dog.  I would appreciate your help very much.
>
>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers
>list
>for print and eBooks.  This is incredible according to my publisher and
>book
>agent.  I wanted to share the exciting news.  I hope that you have
>purchased
>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog.  If you want to buy one
>please
>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog".
>All
>copies
>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>
>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts.
>If
>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>lessons around
>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at
>bookstores.
>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>purchase copies.  The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful
>to
>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before
>Roselle
>passed on June 26, 2011.
>
>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous.  I hope that
>"Thunder
>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness.
>The
>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>www.michaelhingson.com.  The audio edition has some extras including a
>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind
>convention
>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>
>I also wish your help on another front.  In June, Roselle was nominated
>as
>a
>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American
>Humane
>Association.  Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the
>eight
>finalists.  The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a
>problem.
>I have corrected the difficulty.  Again I am asking you to take the time
>and
>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011.  I would appreciate you
>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win.  A victory for
>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>Alma Mater.
>
>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years.  As
>always,
>if
>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always
>looking
>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and
>contact
>information.  I hope all is well with you.
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>Mike Hingson
>
>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>  "Speaking with Vision"
>Michael Hingson, President
>(415) 827-4084
>info at michaelhingson.com
>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>www.michaelhingson.com
>
>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year
>at
>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>
>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Nfbnet-members-list mailing list
>Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
>--
>Gabriel M. Cazares,
>2nd Vice President
>Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS
>(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
>www.nfbtx.org/tabs
>Phone: 713-581-0619
>"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest
>willing to let them."
>-Robert Frost
>
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>--
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sales and Advertising Coordinator
>
>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
>
>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
>
>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 20
>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400
>From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod
>Message-ID:
>
><CAN+-G_D7v0DEHG2kvFPkPNLqiYSMZN1j+z_CtannoBx_2H6+RQ at mail.gmail.c
>om
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Hello everyone:
>I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds
>are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something
>to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more
>accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days?
>(I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't
>compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be
>appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Patrick Molloy
>
>
>
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