[nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO

Sun Aug 28 20:13:29 UTC 2011

Awesome post!
The critics are as annoying as Simon, from American Idol.
Blessings, Joshua

On 8/28/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Peter,
> Ideally, we should think of everything before the  semester begins; but we
> are human. Its not good to criticize
> people for what they did not do. I hate when my mom does this. IF you did
> not do it, you did not do it and people pointing it out is hurtful.
> We should not have personal attacks. This list should be supportive and
> answer people's questions.
> I believe you miss the point. Joshua's VR agency, DSB, fails to support him
> by buying a braille notetaker and if they do not do that, they will not pay
> for a book.
> So he is turning to his disability support office, DSO, to contact
> transcription agencies and procure the book on his behalf. This is what a
> DSO is supposed to do. As a student you tell them the accomodations you need
> and point them to the right resources. We have to educate the DSO because
> they don't know much about blindness resources.
> You actually have to go through the DSO for electronic books and test
> accomodations. The publishers go through the DSO so they have proof of your
> disability. Other accomodations are handled through them because
> they need proof of a disability; yes its obvious someone's blind, but still
> everyone needs documentation now a days.
> We can work out some things ourselves like accessible handouts and talk to
> the professor, yet some things need to go through the DSO. Joshua is doing
> the right thing.
> Its not Joshua's responsibility to pay thousands of dollars for a textbook.
> It’s the college's responsibility.
> It is his responsibility though to purchase the print textbook and show
> proof of purchase; then the college does what it can to render it
> accessible.
> Times have changed and DSOs are here to stay. Its best if we work with them
> to have a good college education.
> When you went to school, you did everything yourself because there was NO
> DSO. But now there is and they play a role in accomodating us.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Donahue
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>
> Hello Chris and everyone,
>
>     And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy
> bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated  all of these
> concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal
> with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect.
> I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have
> not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment
> needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well
> documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing
> off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise
> the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue
>
>   Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>
>
> Hi Peter and everyone,
>
> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If
> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've
> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments,
> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all
> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing
> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a
> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the
> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done.
> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally
> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I
> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the
> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I
> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can
> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to
> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in
> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about
> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all
> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a
> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us
> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest
> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this
> instead of that." Hope this makes sense!
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter
> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent
> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should
> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only
> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for
> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material
> or a lot of cursing.
>
> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Good evening Josh and everyone,
>>
>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a
>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds
>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this
>> before
>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The
>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in
>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>
>>
>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille
>> transcribing services.  It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can
>> offer.
>> Beth
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National
>> Braille
>> Press, about my Math textbook.
>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in
>> Braille.
>> Where else can we go?
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
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