[nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO

Sun Aug 28 20:22:51 UTC 2011

You've got that right! Kind of glad he's off the show! Sometimes, I
thought he was hearing things... but that's beside the point. This
isn't an American Idol list, so let's get back on topic, LOL.

Chris

On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Awesome post!
> The critics are as annoying as Simon, from American Idol.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 8/28/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Peter,
>> Ideally, we should think of everything before the  semester begins; but we
>> are human. Its not good to criticize
>> people for what they did not do. I hate when my mom does this. IF you did
>> not do it, you did not do it and people pointing it out is hurtful.
>> We should not have personal attacks. This list should be supportive and
>> answer people's questions.
>> I believe you miss the point. Joshua's VR agency, DSB, fails to support
>> him
>> by buying a braille notetaker and if they do not do that, they will not
>> pay
>> for a book.
>> So he is turning to his disability support office, DSO, to contact
>> transcription agencies and procure the book on his behalf. This is what a
>> DSO is supposed to do. As a student you tell them the accomodations you
>> need
>> and point them to the right resources. We have to educate the DSO because
>> they don't know much about blindness resources.
>> You actually have to go through the DSO for electronic books and test
>> accomodations. The publishers go through the DSO so they have proof of
>> your
>> disability. Other accomodations are handled through them because
>> they need proof of a disability; yes its obvious someone's blind, but
>> still
>> everyone needs documentation now a days.
>> We can work out some things ourselves like accessible handouts and talk to
>> the professor, yet some things need to go through the DSO. Joshua is doing
>> the right thing.
>> Its not Joshua's responsibility to pay thousands of dollars for a
>> textbook.
>> It’s the college's responsibility.
>> It is his responsibility though to purchase the print textbook and show
>> proof of purchase; then the college does what it can to render it
>> accessible.
>> Times have changed and DSOs are here to stay. Its best if we work with
>> them
>> to have a good college education.
>> When you went to school, you did everything yourself because there was NO
>> DSO. But now there is and they play a role in accomodating us.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>
>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>
>>     And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his
>> guy
>> bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated  all of these
>> concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal
>> with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect.
>> I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that
>> have
>> not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment
>> needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well
>> documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing
>> off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to
>> raise
>> the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue
>>
>>   Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "chris nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>
>>
>> Hi Peter and everyone,
>>
>> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If
>> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've
>> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments,
>> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all
>> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing
>> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a
>> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the
>> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done.
>> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally
>> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I
>> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the
>> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I
>> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can
>> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to
>> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in
>> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about
>> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all
>> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a
>> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us
>> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest
>> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this
>> instead of that." Hope this makes sense!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter
>> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent
>> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should
>> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only
>> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for
>> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material
>> or a lot of cursing.
>>
>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Good evening Josh and everyone,
>>>
>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a
>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds
>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this
>>> before
>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe.
>>> The
>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win
>>> in
>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>>
>>>
>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille
>>> transcribing services.  It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can
>>> offer.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>>
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National
>>> Braille
>>> Press, about my Math textbook.
>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in
>>> Braille.
>>> Where else can we go?
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
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>>
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>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
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Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"