[nabs-l] Outlook, or Live Mail- nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35

[chris nusbaum]

Hi,

I've heard that Live Mail is flash-based, which makes it hard with
JAWS. I'll try it, though.

Chris

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> Hi, first: full version of Outlook cost money, Live mail doesn't; second, I
> use Live mail, it's just find as Outlook on accessibility-I'm Jaws user. Can
> you explain the accessibility advantage of Outlook that you/the person is
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>    1. Re: huricane Irene (chris nusbaum)
>    2. Re: Some Questions For A Friend (chris nusbaum)
>    3. Re: Sad news, from my DSO (Peter Donahue)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:14:51 -0400
> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] huricane Irene
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> Hi Nathan,
>
> We still have power here, thankfully! I also hope that this storm gets
> out of here as soon as possible, and life returns to normal... as
> normal as it can get. Now WJZ (our local CBS station in Baltimore) is
> saying there's another storm out in the tropics, and we have 3 more
> months to go until the end of the hurricane season. By the way, I got
> an email from Melissa (after I decided not to go to the MDABS
> seminar... or more accurately, Mom decided for me) that they finally
> canceled the seminar and will try to schedule a rain date in
> September. Wow! That was... a little too late! But... we can talk
> about that off list, since the rest of the list probably doesn't know
> what I'm talking about. If you want to give me a call today, I'm home.
> I'm glad your family is OK and you still have power. Mom just left to
> check on the store, so I hope it's good, too! Talk to you soon!
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. For the rest of the list, I was referring to some personal stuff
> in that email, that Nathan would know about because we're friends, but
> you don't have to worry about it if you don't know what I'm talking
> about in that email.
>
> On 8/28/11, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Chris,
>> How are you and your family doing with the storm, it is a big one?
>> Also, are you in the dark or are you like me and my family who still
>> have power? I hope this storm gets out of here as soon as possible.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> On 8/27/11, chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I would just like to encourage everyone to stay safe if you're in the
>>> huge path of Hurricane Irene. It seems like a pretty big one, so
>>> please be carefull and heed the authorities' warnings and evacuate if
>>> you need to. I'm here in northern Maryland and we're preparing for the
>>> storm to hit. I was planning on going to the MDABS (Maryland
>>> Association of Blind Students) annual seminar today at the national
>>> center in Baltimore today, but unfortunately had to miss it because my
>>> mom was worried about getting home tonight. So, while I'm disappointed
>>> (very much so,) I hope nobody gets hurt who ends up going. So, once
>>> again, please be safe and use common sense in this storm! That's all I
>>> have to say. I hope everybody has a safe weekend if they're in the
>>> path of the huricane!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
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>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
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> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:32:59 -0400
> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend
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> Hi everyone,
>
> It sounds to me like Outlook is a lot more accessible than Live Mail.
> Which is more accessible?
>
> Chris
>
> On 8/27/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Where does that friend live?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kerri Kosten
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend
>>
>> Hi Everyone:
>>
>> Thanks so much for all the helpful responses both on and fof list.
>>
>> My friend talked to someone and they gave her some ideas on how to
>> solve her issues. She thinks these ideas will work and so she will not
>> need to go for more training.
>>
>> I told her about the suggestions for using Windows live mail. I
>> believe she can make it work and have it put into her accomodations to
>> send and reply to her emails to her professors though Gmail.
>>
>> Again, thanks so much for all the help and information.
>>
>> Kerri
>>
>> On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Kerri,
>>> Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice
>>> rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school.
>>> However, without knowing what skills she  lacks, its hard to suggest a
>>> course of action.
>>> I agree with Bridgit.  Assess the situation.  What blindness skills are
>> they
>>> and how long would it take to learn them?
>>> Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer,  and
>>> braille?
>>> Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new
>>> environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting
>> accessible
>>> handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is  more
>>> of
>>> an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about
>>> bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own
>> readers.
>>>
>>> As to your question: can she attend
>>> another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit
>>> said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to
>>> shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long
>> was
>>> she there?
>>> She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for
>>> a
>>> whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle
>> to
>>> attend a program when she really needs just a few areas?
>>> She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend
>> energy
>>> justifying going out of state for training.
>>>
>>> Some other ideas are:
>>> 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach
>>> that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the
>> issue.
>>> O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling,
>>> braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I
>> am
>>> they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or
>> notetaker
>>> skills.
>>> 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the
>>> braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is
>>> something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the
>>> state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help.
>>> 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB
>>> chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active,
>>> getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone
>> about
>>> any computer questions and some daily living tasks.
>>> 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley
>> school
>>> for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes
>> and
>>> braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and
>>> punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that
>> you
>>> would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There
>> is
>>> also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in.
>>> Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a
>>> variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living.
>>> 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll
>>> center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are
>> for
>>> windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But
>>> check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The
>>> site is www.carrolltech.org.
>>> I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both
>>> and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I
>>> already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and
>> analytical
>>> skills.
>>>
>>> Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related
>>> skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a
>>> writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always
>>> have office hours.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kerri Kosten
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend
>>>
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with
>>> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post
>>> some questions for her.
>>>
>>> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash
>>> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know
>>> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws
>>> or is it totally inaccessible?
>>>
>>> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were
>>> changing some staff members around and because of this among other
>>> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a
>>> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible
>>> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB
>>> training centers or one that is similar?
>>>
>>> Thanks so much!
>>> Kerri
>>>
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> --
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:50:09 -0500
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
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> Hello Chris and everyone,
>
>     And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy
> bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated  all of these
> concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal
> with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect.
> I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have
> not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment
> needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well
> documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing
> off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise
> the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue
>
>   Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>
>
> Hi Peter and everyone,
>
> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If
> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've
> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments,
> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all
> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing
> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a
> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the
> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done.
> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally
> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I
> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the
> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I
> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can
> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to
> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in
> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about
> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all
> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a
> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us
> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest
> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this
> instead of that." Hope this makes sense!
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter
> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent
> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should
> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only
> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for
> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material
> or a lot of cursing.
>
> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Good evening Josh and everyone,
>>
>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a
>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds
>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this
>> before
>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The
>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in
>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>
>>
>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille
>> transcribing services.  It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can
>> offer.
>> Beth
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>>
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National
>> Braille
>> Press, about my Math textbook.
>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in
>> Braille.
>> Where else can we go?
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
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> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
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Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"