[nabs-l] Outlook, or Live Mail- nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35

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Hi, first: full version of Outlook cost money, Live mail doesn't; second, I 
use Live mail, it's just find as Outlook on accessibility-I'm Jaws user. Can 
you explain the accessibility advantage of Outlook that you/the person is 
hinting?
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   1. Re: huricane Irene (chris nusbaum)
   2. Re: Some Questions For A Friend (chris nusbaum)
   3. Re: Sad news, from my DSO (Peter Donahue)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:14:51 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] huricane Irene
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Hi Nathan,

We still have power here, thankfully! I also hope that this storm gets
out of here as soon as possible, and life returns to normal... as
normal as it can get. Now WJZ (our local CBS station in Baltimore) is
saying there's another storm out in the tropics, and we have 3 more
months to go until the end of the hurricane season. By the way, I got
an email from Melissa (after I decided not to go to the MDABS
seminar... or more accurately, Mom decided for me) that they finally
canceled the seminar and will try to schedule a rain date in
September. Wow! That was... a little too late! But... we can talk
about that off list, since the rest of the list probably doesn't know
what I'm talking about. If you want to give me a call today, I'm home.
I'm glad your family is OK and you still have power. Mom just left to
check on the store, so I hope it's good, too! Talk to you soon!

Chris

P.S. For the rest of the list, I was referring to some personal stuff
in that email, that Nathan would know about because we're friends, but
you don't have to worry about it if you don't know what I'm talking
about in that email.

On 8/28/11, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Chris,
> How are you and your family doing with the storm, it is a big one?
> Also, are you in the dark or are you like me and my family who still
> have power? I hope this storm gets out of here as soon as possible.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nathan
>
> On 8/27/11, chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I would just like to encourage everyone to stay safe if you're in the
>> huge path of Hurricane Irene. It seems like a pretty big one, so
>> please be carefull and heed the authorities' warnings and evacuate if
>> you need to. I'm here in northern Maryland and we're preparing for the
>> storm to hit. I was planning on going to the MDABS (Maryland
>> Association of Blind Students) annual seminar today at the national
>> center in Baltimore today, but unfortunately had to miss it because my
>> mom was worried about getting home tonight. So, while I'm disappointed
>> (very much so,) I hope nobody gets hurt who ends up going. So, once
>> again, please be safe and use common sense in this storm! That's all I
>> have to say. I hope everybody has a safe weekend if they're in the
>> path of the huricane!
>>
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
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problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:32:59 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend
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Hi everyone,

It sounds to me like Outlook is a lot more accessible than Live Mail.
Which is more accessible?

Chris

On 8/27/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Where does that friend live?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Kerri Kosten
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend
>
> Hi Everyone:
>
> Thanks so much for all the helpful responses both on and fof list.
>
> My friend talked to someone and they gave her some ideas on how to
> solve her issues. She thinks these ideas will work and so she will not
> need to go for more training.
>
> I told her about the suggestions for using Windows live mail. I
> believe she can make it work and have it put into her accomodations to
> send and reply to her emails to her professors though Gmail.
>
> Again, thanks so much for all the help and information.
>
> Kerri
>
> On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Kerri,
>> Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice
>> rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school.
>> However, without knowing what skills she  lacks, its hard to suggest a
>> course of action.
>> I agree with Bridgit.  Assess the situation.  What blindness skills are
> they
>> and how long would it take to learn them?
>> Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer,  and 
>> braille?
>> Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new
>> environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting
> accessible
>> handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is  more 
>> of
>> an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about
>> bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own
> readers.
>>
>> As to your question: can she attend
>> another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit
>> said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to
>> shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long
> was
>> she there?
>> She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for 
>> a
>> whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle
> to
>> attend a program when she really needs just a few areas?
>> She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend
> energy
>> justifying going out of state for training.
>>
>> Some other ideas are:
>> 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach
>> that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the
> issue.
>> O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling,
>> braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I
> am
>> they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or
> notetaker
>> skills.
>> 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the
>> braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is
>> something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the
>> state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help.
>> 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB
>> chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active,
>> getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone
> about
>> any computer questions and some daily living tasks.
>> 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley
> school
>> for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes
> and
>> braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and
>> punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that
> you
>> would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There
> is
>> also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in.
>> Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a
>> variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living.
>> 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll
>> center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are
> for
>> windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But
>> check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The
>> site is www.carrolltech.org.
>> I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both
>> and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I
>> already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and
> analytical
>> skills.
>>
>> Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related
>> skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a
>> writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always
>> have office hours.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kerri Kosten
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with
>> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post
>> some questions for her.
>>
>> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash
>> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know
>> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws
>> or is it totally inaccessible?
>>
>> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were
>> changing some staff members around and because of this among other
>> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a
>> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible
>> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB
>> training centers or one that is similar?
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>> Kerri
>>
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-- 
Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:50:09 -0500
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
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Hello Chris and everyone,

    And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy
bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated  all of these
concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal
with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect.
I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have
not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment
needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well
documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing
off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise
the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue

  Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chris nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO

Hi Peter and everyone,

That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If
the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've
heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments,
you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all
the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing
national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a
70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the
funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done.
This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally
integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I
am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the
work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I
believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can
fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to
resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in
school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about
the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all
of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a
lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us
feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest
it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this
instead of that." Hope this makes sense!

Chris

P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter
should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent
comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should
encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only
be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for
example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material
or a lot of cursing.

On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Good evening Josh and everyone,
>
> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a
> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds
> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this
> before
> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The
> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in
> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>
>
> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille
> transcribing services.  It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can
> offer.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO
>
> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National
> Braille
> Press, about my Math textbook.
> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in
> Braille.
> Where else can we go?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
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problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

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information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
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