[nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products

Tue Dec 6 01:13:18 UTC 2011

Hi=20Ashley,

Yes,=20that's=20what=20I=20think=20too.=20=20A=20lot=20of=20blind=20people=
=20have=20learned=20
and=20are=20successful=20with=20the=20touch=20screen=20alone,=20even=20with=
out=20a=20
Braille=20display,=20but=20just=20using=20the=20VoiceOver=20gestures.=20=20=
But=20it=20
has=20always=20seemed=20a=20little=20tedious=20to=20me,=20especially=20typi=
ng=20on=20
the=20touch=20screen.=20=20By=20the=20way,=20I=20forwarded=20an=20email=20t=
o=20all=20the=20
lists=20last=20night=20with=20the=20link=20to=20an=20article=20which=20list=
s=20the=20
Voiceover=20gestures=20and=20commands,=20for=20anyone=20interested.=20=20To=
=20the=20
best=20of=20my=20knowledge,=20you=20can=20hook=20any=20standard=20Braille=20=
display=20
that=20has=20bluetooth=20capability=20to=20any=20IOS=20device.=20=20But=20j=
ust=20to=20be=20
sure,=20you=20might=20want=20to=20check=20out=20apple.com/accessibility=20t=
o=20
learn=20what=20Braille=20displays=20are=20supported.=20=20Another=20cool=20=
feature=20
of=20IOS=20and=20Braille=20displays=20is=20that=20you=20can=20hook=20up=20a=
ny=20notetaker=20
with=20bluetooth=20capabilities=20to=20any=20IOS=20device.=20=20You=20can=20=
then=20use=20
the=20notetaker=20as=20a=20Braille=20display=20for=20the=20iDevice=20and=20=
as=20a=20
keyboard=20for=20it.=20=20In=20other=20words,=20you=20can=20do=20everything=
=20on=20your=20
iDevice=20using=20the=20keyboard=20on=20your=20notetaker.=20=20I=20don't=20=
know=20how=20
to=20do=20it=20with=20the=20BrailleSense=20or=20PacMate,=20but=20there=20is=
=20a=20good=20
podcast=20on=20pairing=20IOS=20devices=20with=20the=20BrailleNote=20and=20u=
sing=20the=20
BrailleNote=20as=20a=20keyboard=20and=20Braille=20display=20for=20the=20IOS=
=20devices=20
on=20braillenoteusers.info/media.=20=20Hope=20this=20helps!

Chris

"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi=
ght.=20=20The=20
real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education=
=20that=20
exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and=
=20
opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20=

nuisance."
--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20=
Blind,=20
1968-1986

=20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa=
ired=20youth=20
in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi=
ding=20
assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention=
s=20
which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For=
=20more=20
information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20=
visit=20
us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info!

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2026=20Nov=202011=2011:32:30=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20ipad=20verses=20blindness=20products

But=20I=20like=20the=20blindness=20notetaker=20because=20I=20can=20read=20a=
nd=20write=20
braille=20on
it.=20=20I=20think=20using=20a
touch=20screen=20would=20require=20a=20lot=20of=20memory=20and=20spatial=20=
awareness.=20=20
I=20already
have=20to=20memorize=20where=20things=20like=20end,=20send=20and=20okay=20a=
re=20on=20my=20
basic=20cell
phone!=20But=20if=20an=20IOS=20devices=20works=20for=20someone=20go=20ahead=
;=20it=E2=80=99s=20a=20
lot=20more
portable=20than=20a=20heavy=20braille=20notetaker.
I=20wonder=20what=20braille=20displays=20you=20can=20use=20with=20those=20I=
Phones=20and=20
IOS
devices.
Its=20cool=20that=20we=20have=20smaller,=20portable=20braille=20displays=20=
and=20
keyboards=20now.
How=20neat=20to=20have=20those=20options.=20=20The=20only=20braille=20displ=
ays=20I=20saw=20
were=20the
large=2040=20cell=20and=2080=20cell=20displays,=20although=20I=20am=20aware=
=20of=20
smaller=20ones.

Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Humberto=20Avila
Sent:=20Friday,=20November=2025,=202011=2011:56=20PM
To:=20'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list'
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20ipad=20verses=20blindness=20products

Yes,=20I=20think=20that=20is=20why=20some=20many=20blind=20people=20are=20u=
sing=20iPhones=20
and=20iPads
as=20their=20personal=20note=20taking=20and=20at=20school=20too.=20=20I=20t=
hink=20that=20
these
mainstream=20IOS=20devices=20with=20voiceover=20will=20be=20the=20nearby=20=
future=20
of=20the
accessibility=20for=20the=20blind.=20=20Since=20those=20assistive=20technol=
ogy=20
products=20made
specifically=20for=20the=20blind=20are=20so=20expensive,=20blind=20people=20=
are=20
going=20to=20shift
to=20those=20devices,=20since=20they=20come=20with=20screen=20reading=20
accessibility=20out=20of
the=20box.=20=20Plus,=20they=20are=20not=20as=20expensive.=20=20Additionall=
y,=20since=20
Braille
displays=20are=20not=20as=20expensive=20as=20note=20takers,=20some=20might=
=20chose=20
the=20option=20to
add=20a=20Braille=20display=20in=20combination=20to=20their=20IOS=20device=
=20instead=20
of
purchasing=20those=20major=20products=20such=20as=20Pacmate=20and=20Braille=
=20Note.=20=20
If=20the
trend=20continues=20like=20I=20mentioned,=20the=20Vocational=20Rehabilitati=
on=20
agencies
better=20take=20notice=20of=20this=20and=20see=20fit.=20=20Besides,=20it=20=
would=20
benefit=20their
programs=20and=20services=20as=20well,=20and=20with=20this=20economy=20(if=
=20it=20
continues=20to=20be
bad),=20they=20will=20not=20have=20to=20suffer=20budget=20cuts=20by=20tryin=
g=20to=20help=20
individuals
with=20their=20note=20takers=20because=20they=20are=20so=20expensive.
So,=20Humanware=20and=20freedom=20Scientific,=20I'm=20sorry=20if=20I=20offe=
nd=20you=20
at=20all,=20I=20am
not=20trying=20to=20be=20mean.=20=20Otherwise=20don't=20listen=20please!!!!=
=20(huge=20
smile)

P.S.=20=20wondering=20if=20this=20listserve=20is=20that=20much=20public?

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org=20
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf
Of=20Koby=20Cox
Sent:=20Friday,=20November=2025,=202011=208:39=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20ipad=20verses=20blindness=20products

Yes.
Koby.

Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

On=20Nov=2025,=202011,=20at=2010:32=20PM,=20"RJ=20Sandefur"=20
<joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
wrote:

=20Thanks.=20=20Is=20voice=20over=20easy=20to=20learn?=20RJ
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----=20From:=20"Beth"=20
<thebluesisloose at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20November=2025,=202011=2011:11=20PM
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20ipad=20verses=20blindness=20products

=20I'd=20justify=20that=20the=20iPad=20is=20a=20cheap=20option.=20=20The=20=
BrailleNote=20is=20
hard=20to
repair=20and=20neeeds=20thousands=20of=20dollars=20just=20to=20maintain.=20=
=20I=20love=20
my=20BNQT
Apex,=20but=20let'=20face=20it.=20=20It's=20really=20expensive.
=20Beth
=20P.S.=20=20does=20anyone=20know=20what=20happened=20to=20Bluetooth=20on=20=
the=20
BrailleNote?

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20"RJ=20Sandefur"=20<joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org=20Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2025=20Nov=202011=2023:08:10=20=
-0500
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20ipad=20verses=20blindness=20products

=20Guys,=20I=20have=20a=20braille=20'n=20speak,=20but=20I=20think=20it=20ha=
s=20bit=20the=20
dust.=20=20I=20was
thinking=20of=20getting=20a=20braille=20note,=20but=20some=20one=20suggeste=
d=20
getting=20an=20iPad,
or=20a=20laptop.=20=20I=20did=20some=20research=20on=20the=20iPad,=20and=20=
here's=20what=20
I've=20found.
=20http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/vision.html
=20Do=20any=20of=20you=20use=20iPad's,=20and=20if=20so,=20who=20purchased=20=
it=20for=20you?=20
If=20VR
=20purchased=20it,=20How=20do=20you=20justify=20need=20for=20an=20Ipad?=20S=
incerely,=20RJ
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