[nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 52, Issue 8

Mon Feb 7 15:00:31 UTC 2011

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Obtaining electronic text (David Thomas)
   2. for Joshua and others with similar experiences (Annemarie Cooke)
   3. Re: for Joshua and others with similar experiences (Joshua Lester)
   4. technology for sell (Janice Jeang)
   5. Obtaining electronic text (Bridgit Pollpeter)
   6. Obtaining electronic text (Bridgit Pollpeter)
   7. Re: Obtaining electronic text (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
   8. Re: Obtaining electronic text (Joshua Lester)
   9. A national standard, obtaining electronic text (Bridgit Pollpeter)
  10. Re: for Joshua and others with similar experiences (Jorge Paez)
  11. windows 7 navigation (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
  12. Re: windows 7 navigation (becky sabo)
  13. creating folders (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
  14. Transferring Audio Books on iTunes (Joe Orozco)
  15. Re: Transferring Audio Books on iTunes (cowboy0210 at gmail.com)
  16. Re: windows 7 navigation (Joshua Lester)
  17. Never Mind on Audio Book Question (Joe Orozco)
  18. Re: creating folders (Bill)
  19. Daniel ROmero -- Introduction (Daniel Romero)
  20. Re: Daniel ROmero -- Introduction (Joshua Lester)
  21. Re: Daniel ROmero -- Introduction (Daniel Romero)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:14:04 -0600
From: David Thomas <davidschool97 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
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Do you have embosser you could take the book share BRf to your empower and emboss them

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2011, at 6:30 PM, "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:

> The PDF I got was very very big, so when I did try to use Adobe, it
> literally just did not nothing. When I ran it through Kurzwwil, it crashed
> my computer. Not to say that this always happens. I do also use RFBandD,
> Bookshare, and NLS. Getting the books from the publisher as a PDF, is my
> last resort too. Like this semester, one of my professors was okay with
> letting me use a later edition. My another wanted the most recent edition,
> thus why I had to get it from the publisher. The later edition is pretty
> much the same just a newer version. The version I am using is a 2010, and
> the version he originally requested was the 2011 version. I explained to the
> professor my dilemma and he was okay with using the later version. This is a
> professor I have worked with in the past, last semester, so he already knows
> what some times my difficulties are. I rather not use bookshare because of
> either one I have to read the book on the computer, which is fine especially
> if I need to know page numbers and such. But if I put the book on my stream,
> the TTS voice is so bad, with my hearing impairment I can not understand it.
> Now if I had a Braille display and could connected it up to my stream and
> read as it talks, I could handle that. I do have a Braille note mPower, but
> have never used it for bookshare. 
> 
> Marsha  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Nicole B. Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:30 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
> 
> Breaking up a PDF might not be a problem. However, especially if there is a 
> reasonably large number of other students with disabilities, the office 
> might not want to convert a PDF to a word document if it is readable with 
> Jaws without conversion. If you don't want to deal with the PDF and have 
> Kurzweil, you can run the document through the virtual printer. This works 
> better than saving as text because the formatting is not lost. Also, if the 
> PDF is protected, I don't think that you can save it as text.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 3:23 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
> 
> 
>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve myself
>> as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that are long, I
>> request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in smaller sections.
>> I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do what they can, but of
>> course I can not get everything in Word.
>> 
>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share and
>> we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I
>> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the
>> chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or they
>> use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can download the
>> material.
>> 
>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with
>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  It
>> is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, though I
>> have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>> 
>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on my
>> Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not always
>> the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at times, but now
>> that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like other electronic
>> versions, I can read line by line, para by para, spell words and other
>> features similar to how we use computers.  I download Book Share files
>> on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a
>> software you downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a
>> membership, and two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille
>> display.  In fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I
>> had to explain this to them.
>> 
>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing
>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can
>> make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they
>> can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options so
>> you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your DSO, or
>> at least know someone who can provide this information.
>> 
>> Bridgit
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they
>> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a PDF
>> file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was huge
>> and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then it was
>> all good. I got another book this way again this semester. Haven't had
>> to do much with it so I don't know what it is like.
>> 
>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:06:23 -0500
From: Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] for Joshua and others with similar experiences
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Hi Joshua,Annemarie Cooke here. First, if your VR counselor won't provide equipment you feel you need, you should speak to the supervisor of that counselor. And if that doesn't work, your blindness agency, by law, has a Client Assistance Program (CAP) which helps consumers resolve issues with the agency). Have you gone beyond a "no" from your counselor? Now is your opportunity to make a convincing case as to why you need a Pacmate or similar braille note taking device.

List, please know that the Association on Higher Ed and Disability (AHEAD) runs a multiday annual workshop on creating alternative text materials for DSOs. They acknowledge individual students have individual needs and  preferences when it comes to educational materials (www.AHEAD.org)

And finally, I went to: nls.loc.gov and found info on the NLS library in AR:
Address list for Arkansas

Arkansas
Regional Library
Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped 
900 West Capitol Avenue, Suite 100 
Little Rock, AR 72201-3108 

Librarian: John D Hall 
Library Code: AR1A 
Telephone: (501) 682-1155 
Toll-free (In-state): (866) 660-0885 
TDD: (501) 682-1002 
FAX: (501) 682-1529 
E-mail: nlsbooks at Library.Arkansas.gov or jd at Library.Arkansas.gov 
Web site: http://www.library.arkansas.gov/libraryForTheBlind/Pages/default.aspx 

Hours of Operation: 8:00-5:00 M-F 

Serves: Arkansas 

Subregional Library
Library for the Blind and Handicapped, Southwest 
Magnolia, AR 71754 

Library Code: AR1E 

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:13:50 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] for Joshua and others with similar experiences
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We had trouble in Pine Bluff. My counselor retired, and they took
forever to train my current counselor. The problem was, that the Pine
Bluff office was willing to help me, but the main one in Little Rock
wouldn't cooperate. The guy over the Little Rock one said that I
didn't need a Pac Mate, he only authorized them to provide the
computer and Jaws. I need a Pac Mate to download my textbooks, and to
take notes in class. I've tried to tell them this, but I'm having no
success. I'm tired of having work-studies reading things to me.
Blessings, Joshua

On 2/6/11, Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Joshua,Annemarie Cooke here. First, if your VR counselor won't provide
> equipment you feel you need, you should speak to the supervisor of that
> counselor. And if that doesn't work, your blindness agency, by law, has a
> Client Assistance Program (CAP) which helps consumers resolve issues with
> the agency). Have you gone beyond a "no" from your counselor? Now is your
> opportunity to make a convincing case as to why you need a Pacmate or
> similar braille note taking device.
>
> List, please know that the Association on Higher Ed and Disability (AHEAD)
> runs a multiday annual workshop on creating alternative text materials for
> DSOs. They acknowledge individual students have individual needs and
> preferences when it comes to educational materials (www.AHEAD.org)
>
> And finally, I went to: nls.loc.gov and found info on the NLS library in AR:
> Address list for Arkansas
>
>
> Arkansas
> Regional Library
> Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
> 900 West Capitol Avenue, Suite 100
> Little Rock, AR 72201-3108
>
> Librarian: John D Hall
> Library Code: AR1A
> Telephone: (501) 682-1155
> Toll-free (In-state): (866) 660-0885
> TDD: (501) 682-1002
> FAX: (501) 682-1529
> E-mail: nlsbooks at Library.Arkansas.gov or jd at Library.Arkansas.gov
> Web site:
> http://www.library.arkansas.gov/libraryForTheBlind/Pages/default.aspx
>
> Hours of Operation: 8:00-5:00 M-F
>
> Serves: Arkansas
>
> Subregional Library
> Library for the Blind and Handicapped, Southwest
> Magnolia, AR 71754
>
> Library Code: AR1E
>
>
>
>                          
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:13:50 -0600
From: Janice Jeang <snowball07 at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] technology for sell
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Hello,

I have the following items for sale:

1. Braille Note PK with Sendero GPS

2. Brailliant 40

3. Eye Pal Solo

4. Toshiba Satalite Laptop

5. Olympus DS-50

6. KNFB Reader Mobile ? software only
*all prices do not include shipping and handling.
If interested or any questions, contact janice.jeang at gmail.com

1. Braille Note PK with Sendero GPS

This unit was refurbished back in August of last year. It has the latest
firmware, as well as what was a new battery at that time. It has just been
sitting on my shelf, since I moved over to the Mac OS. The device also comes
with the BrailleNote GPS from Sendero, as well as a 16GB compact flash card,
and compact flash card reader; I will also throw in a GPS receiver if you
ask for it.

I?m asking  $2000 or best offer.

Information from the Humanware site about the device.

http://www.humanware.com/en-usa/products/blindness/braillenotes/_details/id_26/braillenote_pk.html

2. Brailliant 40

Brailliant-40 braille display in perfect working order. Selling the item
because I just have not been using it, and it might as well get some use.
Included is the Brailliant, and a mini USB to USB cord, which I was last
using it to charge. Fairly certain I should have the AC charger too. Item
will come in its original box with all original paperwork.

This display works with Apple products, JAWS and Window-Eyes. This device
also works with System Access from Serotek. It does not have a keyboard for
entering text but has a keypad for issuing screen reading commands.

I am asking $1,500 or best offer.

Here is the link to the page on Humanware's website for the device.

http://www.humanware.com/en-usa/products/blindness/braille_displays/_details/id_34/brailliant_40.html

3. Eye Pal Solo

I am asking $1,800 or best offer.

Here is the link to the page on Abisee's website for the device.

http://www.abisee.com/products/eye-pal-solo.html

4. Toshiba Satalite Laptop

This is a used laptop recently reformatted, works perfect.

Specs:
Processor: Intel Pentium Dual T2330 @ 1.60 GHz
Memory: 2GB RAM
Hard Drive: 120GB
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit
Screen: 15.4

Asking $350 or best offer.

Website with more specs and pictures:
http://www.clearanceclub.com/products/9307-Satellite-A205-S5810

5. Olympus DS-50

Asking $120 or best offer.

Website with more info:
http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-DS-50-Digital-voice-recorder/dp/B000MFR34Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1297017730&sr=8-2

6. KNFB Reader Mobile ? software only

Asking $900 or best offer.

Website with more info: http://www.knfbreader.com/products-mobile.php

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:45:33 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP39F57B30C24EC4C87F4B19C4E80 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

For me, most material I have in PDF form, the DSO is able and willing to
break it into smaller sections.  They never send me inaccessible PDF's
though which is great.

True, I don't like converting PDF documents into text files since it
loses its formatting.  I have had problems, though, when I print then
scan PDF's on my own.  Usually they scan okay, but not always especially
when they are downloaded from Blackboard because they often have
pictures or, of course, these are usually not readable with JAWS.

Fortunately, I have a wonderful DSO and they are willing to assist in
any way I need.  Two of my classes this semester did not have most of
the required reading selected before hand, and the instructors are
posting the material in inaccessible PDF's on Blackboard.  The DSO has
been allowed to have an administrative access so they can properly
format them.

Bridgit

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:23:07 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP147CB3ED9DAB1BD9B15F692C4E90 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve myself
as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that are long, I
request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in smaller sections. I
have said I prefer Word documents, and they do what they can, but of
course I can not get everything in Word.

We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share and
we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I
purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the
chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or they
use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can download the
material.

I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with
electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  It
is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, though I
have grown use to JAWS's drone!

Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on my
Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not always
the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at times, but now
that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like other electronic
versions, I can read line by line, para by para, spell words and other
features similar to how we use computers.  I download Book Share files
on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a
software you downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a
membership, and two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille
display.  In fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I
had to explain this to them.

Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing
material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can
make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they
can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options so
you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your DSO, or
at least know someone who can provide this information.

Bridgit

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they
request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a PDF
file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was huge
and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then it was
all good. I got another book this way again this semester. Haven't had
to do much with it so I don't know what it is like. 

Sorry your college way is so complicated. 

Marsha

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:30:08 -0800
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
Message-ID: <892BA22451D6421785EB48095F968585 at stanford.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    reply-type=original

Breaking up a PDF might not be a problem. However, especially if there
is a 
reasonably large number of other students with disabilities, the office 
might not want to convert a PDF to a word document if it is readable
with 
Jaws without conversion. If you don't want to deal with the PDF and have

Kurzweil, you can run the document through the virtual printer. This
works 
better than saving as text because the formatting is not lost. Also, if
the 
PDF is protected, I don't think that you can save it as text.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text

>I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve myself

>as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that are long, 
>I  request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in smaller 
>sections.  I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do what they 
>can, but of  course I can not get everything in Word.
>
> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share 
> and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I 
> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the 
> chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or 
> they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can 
> download the material.
>
> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  It

> is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, though 
> I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>
> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on my

> Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not 
> always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at 
> times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like 
> other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by para, 
> spell words and other features similar to how we use computers.  I 
> download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My 
> DSO thought Book Share was a software you downloaded, they didn't 
> realize, one, you needed a membership, and two, it required a device 
> like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In fact, they thought the 
> software was the Victor Stream.  I had to explain this to them.
>
> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can 
> make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they 
> can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options 
> so you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your DSO,

> or at least know someone who can provide this information.
>
> Bridgit
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they 
> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a 
> PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was 
> huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then 
> it was all good. I got another book this way again this semester. 
> Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is like.
>
> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>
> Marsha
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:47:22 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Computer science info
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Thank you so much for the info.  I am asking on behalf of my husband,
Ross, who briefly minored in the topic years ago, and is considering
getting a second degree in computer science.

He has some foundational knowledge on the subject, but is looking to
learn more that may help him in the classroom.

This has been helpful, and I will let him know he can contact you for
more info.

Thanks.

Bridgit

Message: 25
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:03:32 -0700
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking for infoComputer programming
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Howdy,
Sorry for my late arrival to this discussion, but I've been just a bit
busy with school and work.

The short answer is that not really all that much has changed in the
past 10 years or so as far as the computer science curriculum goes. The
exact tools used for teaching have changed some, but over all the topics
covered and the order in which they are covered really hasn't changed
much. That makes sense if you consider it a bit because while we have
had some major developments in technology, the foundations on which they
are developed just haven't changed that much. Same general
architectures, same players in the market, same programming languages,
same algorithms, etc.

That being said, there are some things you may find which are different.
Some schools now place a greater emphasis on web based applications and
their development. For instance, having you develop java applets or ruby
applications instead of traditional console or gui based applications.
It doesn't really matter as far as learning to develop software goes,
but there you have it. Second, there have been some developments in the
software life cycle and in how software is engineered, and computer
science programs have adapted to encorperate these new ideas and models.
Third, people have, in the past 5 years or so, really started to take
notice of security issues as far as how they relate to computing. As a
result, many computer science programs now offer one or more courses
which focus on this topic. Usually it's an elective, not a requirement.
At least it has been with every school I've looked it up for or talked
to others about.

Let me know if you would like more information. I can say more on this
topic if desired, including providing a list of the general topics which
would be covered in any decent computer science curriculum and the order
in which those topics would most likely be covered. Joe

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 19:30:56 -0500
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
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The PDF I got was very very big, so when I did try to use Adobe, it
literally just did not nothing. When I ran it through Kurzwwil, it
crashed my computer. Not to say that this always happens. I do also use
RFBandD, Bookshare, and NLS. Getting the books from the publisher as a
PDF, is my last resort too. Like this semester, one of my professors was
okay with letting me use a later edition. My another wanted the most
recent edition, thus why I had to get it from the publisher. The later
edition is pretty much the same just a newer version. The version I am
using is a 2010, and the version he originally requested was the 2011
version. I explained to the professor my dilemma and he was okay with
using the later version. This is a professor I have worked with in the
past, last semester, so he already knows what some times my difficulties
are. I rather not use bookshare because of either one I have to read the
book on the computer, which is fine especially if I need to know page
numbers and such. But if I put the book on my stream, the TTS voice is
so bad, with my hearing impairment I can not understand it. Now if I had
a Braille display and could connected it up to my stream and read as it
talks, I could handle that. I do have a Braille note mPower, but have
never used it for bookshare. 

Marsha  

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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text

Breaking up a PDF might not be a problem. However, especially if there
is a 
reasonably large number of other students with disabilities, the office 
might not want to convert a PDF to a word document if it is readable
with 
Jaws without conversion. If you don't want to deal with the PDF and have

Kurzweil, you can run the document through the virtual printer. This
works 
better than saving as text because the formatting is not lost. Also, if
the 
PDF is protected, I don't think that you can save it as text.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text

>I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve myself

>as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that are long, 
>I  request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in smaller 
>sections.  I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do what they 
>can, but of  course I can not get everything in Word.
>
> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share 
> and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I 
> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the 
> chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or 
> they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can 
> download the material.
>
> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  It

> is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, though 
> I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>
> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on my

> Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not 
> always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at 
> times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like 
> other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by para, 
> spell words and other features similar to how we use computers.  I 
> download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My 
> DSO thought Book Share was a software you downloaded, they didn't 
> realize, one, you needed a membership, and two, it required a device 
> like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In fact, they thought the 
> software was the Victor Stream.  I had to explain this to them.
>
> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can 
> make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they 
> can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options 
> so you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your DSO,

> or at least know someone who can provide this information.
>
> Bridgit
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
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>
> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they 
> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a 
> PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was 
> huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then 
> it was all good. I got another book this way again this semester. 
> Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is like.
>
> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>
> Marsha
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:45:11 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Brigitte,
That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That is
what 
upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the
ability 
to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they don't have
the 
software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I think that's the name,
to 
scan books for students!
Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that allows

universities/colleges to share scanned books!
I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest
four 
year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for 
students as long as they purchased a book.
Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
ocassions 
because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes for english or 
history classes that require readings like that NLS has come in handy.
For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of a 
salesman that way.

Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice for
DSOs 
to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the student via 
email.
That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.  Not so
at 
Nova though.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text

I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve myself
as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that are long, I
request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in smaller sections. I
have said I prefer Word documents, and they do what they can, but of
course I can not get everything in Word.

We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share and
we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I
purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the
chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or they
use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can download the
material.

I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with
electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  It
is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, though I
have grown use to JAWS's drone!

Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on my
Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not always
the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at times, but now
that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like other electronic
versions, I can read line by line, para by para, spell words and other
features similar to how we use computers.  I download Book Share files
on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a
software you downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a
membership, and two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille
display.  In fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I
had to explain this to them.

Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing
material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can
make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they
can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options so
you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your DSO, or
at least know someone who can provide this information.

Bridgit

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
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Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they
request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a PDF
file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was huge
and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then it was
all good. I got another book this way again this semester. Haven't had
to do much with it so I don't know what it is like.

Sorry your college way is so complicated.

Marsha

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:45:33 -0700
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking for infoComputer programming
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Hi,
Just to warn you, this is going to be a rather long message.

Here are the topics you would cover in a standard computer science
program. I have not included info on other programs that include
software or programming aspects, such as applied computing or computer
information systems. Those math majors with a computer science component
are also not included, even though that's the computer science degree
for some schools. This is the topic list for a dedicated computer
science program. Also, the order is only approximate. Schools may cover
this info in a different order, some of it might be optional or not
offered at all, etc. I've focused mostly on the computer science and
mathematics, since those make up the back bone of any good computer
science program.

-- Computer Science Courses --
* Introductory course to programming. Usially this will use an object
oriented language such as Java, and will cover basic programming and
object oriented design.
* Data structures and algorithms. Algorithms involving Searching,
sorting, recursion. Data structures like lists, trees, stacks, and
queues.
* Sometimes a follow-on data structures course, including graphs,
multi-way trees, hashing. This can be merged with the previous item, or
sometimes offered later in the course sequence.
* Computer organization and asembly language. The goal in this course is
not to teach asembly per say, but to teach basic computer architecture.
Teaching asembly as it were would be difficult since it varies with
different types of hardware. Sometimes a separate "computer
architecture" course is offered, sometimes it's rolled into this course.
* Possibly a course in digital logic and digital circuits.
* One or more courses on software design. These usually focus on object
oriented designs since that's what's generally used in industry right
now. Sometimes this is offered at this point, sometimes at  the end of
the course sequence, sometimes both.
* Operating systems. This is not a course on how to use different
operating systems, but rather a course on what goes into operating
system design and programming. You'll probably have to do some low level
programming in this course. An example of a problem you may be set would
be: "you have a certain number of processes competing for CPU time.
Write a program which mimics a round-robin process scheduler to allocate
CPU time equally to all processes that want it."
* Possibly a course on computer networks. This was required at one
school I went to, optional at another. Talking to others seems to
indicate it can really go either way.
* Computational theory. You'll learn about ways to represent machine
states, some algorithm analysis tools, that sort of thing.
* Algorithm analysis. You will use the tools from the previous item to
analyze the data structures and algorithms you already know, and maybe
some new ones.
* Possibly a cap stone course. For example, you might be asked to work
with a team of students to design and implement a medium sized software
system over the course of a semester.
* Various other courses, sprinkled throughout the sequence. Examples
might be compiler design, networks, computer security, relational
databases, AI, and various other topics. Some will be required, some
electives. That varies by school.

-- Required Math --
* Calculous sequence. Some require Calc I and II only, some require Calc
III in addition.
* Some kind of course in discrete mathematics. Examples of what would be
covered here would be: basic proofs and mathematical arguements, set
theory, logic, and the "there exists" and "for all" math operations.
* Some kind of algorithmic math course involving extensive use of
matrices. Example: linear algebra, but some colleges have a substitute
course.
* A calculus based probability and statistics course.

You'll also have general studies requirements, of course. All of the
programs I've seen require two semesters of calc based physics, and you
may need some other hard sciences like chemistry too. Technical
communications and basic writing are also there, naturally.

Wow I wasn't lying, that was a long message. Longest I've written in a
while. Let me know if you have any questions. Joe

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 19:23:35 -0800
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re:  Obtaining electronic text
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And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that there 
should be some kind of national standard or at least guidelines as to
what 
DRC's should provide.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text

> Brigitte,
> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That is 
> what
> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the 
> ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they
don't 
> have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I think that's
the 
> name, to scan books for students!
> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that
allows 
> universities/colleges to share scanned books!
> I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest
four 
> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for 
> students as long as they purchased a book.
> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare 
> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes for 
> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has
come in 
> handy.
> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of a 
> salesman that way.
>
> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice for
> DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the
student 
> via email.
> That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.  Not so
at 
> Nova though.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>
> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that 
> are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in 
> smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do 
> what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>
> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share 
> and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I 
> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the 
> chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or 
> they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can 
> download the material.
>
> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  It

> is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, though 
> I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>
> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on my

> Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not 
> always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at 
> times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like 
> other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by para, 
> spell words and other features similar to how we use computers.  I 
> download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My 
> DSO thought Book Share was a software you downloaded, they didn't 
> realize, one, you needed a membership, and two, it required a device 
> like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In fact, they thought the 
> software was the Victor Stream.  I had to explain this to them.
>
> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can 
> make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they 
> can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options 
> so you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your DSO,

> or at least know someone who can provide this information.
>
> Bridgit
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they 
> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a 
> PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was 
> huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then 
> it was all good. I got another book this way again this semester. 
> Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is like.
>
> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>
> Marsha
>
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:33:36 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to
Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the NFB
convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in Arkansas.
This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on Bookshare, I'd
get them. Blessings, Joshua

On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that there

> should be some kind of national standard or at least guidelines as to 
> what DRC's should provide.
>
> Nicole
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>
>
>> Brigitte,
>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That is

>> what
>>
>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the 
>> ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they 
>> don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I think

>> that's the
>>
>> name, to scan books for students!
>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four year 
>> college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for 
>> students as long as they purchased a book. Of  course I use RFB and 
>> like you prefer the live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS

>> and BARd on rare ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; 
>> but sometimes for english or history classes that require readings 
>> like that NLS has come in
>>
>> handy.
>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of a

>> salesman that way.
>>
>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice 
>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the 
>> student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by 
>> the chapter.  Not so at Nova though.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>
>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that 
>> are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in 
>> smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do 
>> what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>
>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share 
>> and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I 
>> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the

>> chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or 
>> they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can 
>> download the material.
>>
>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  
>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>
>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on 
>> my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not 
>> always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at 
>> times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like

>> other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by para, 
>> spell words and other features similar to how we use computers.  I 
>> download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My

>> DSO thought Book Share was a software you downloaded, they didn't 
>> realize, one, you needed a membership, and two, it required a device 
>> like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In fact, they thought the 
>> software was the Victor Stream.  I had to explain this to them.
>>
>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can

>> make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they

>> can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options

>> so you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your 
>> DSO, or at least know someone who can provide this information.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they 
>> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a 
>> PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was

>> huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then 
>> it was all good. I got another book this way again this semester. 
>> Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is like.
>>
>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:36:03 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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Joshua,
You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS and
read 
that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or you can get
braille 
books from your NLS regional library.
I'd encourage you to read and keep up your braille skills; no braile
since 
convention is a long time!
I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful especially
for 
english classes where you need to read more carefully for analysis and 
getting quotes.
But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you
braille 
for math and science if you really push for it.

Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are 
supposed to provide.
Again, I believe most universities/colleges do scan books or obtain
books 
from publishers; its just that nova doesn't because they have not bought

those resources.  Heck they do not even have an updated jaws.  Its 
rediculous services are lacking.
I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic text

You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to
Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the NFB
convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in Arkansas.
This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on Bookshare, I'd
get them. Blessings, Joshua

On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that there

> should be some kind of national standard or at least guidelines as to 
> what DRC's should provide.
>
> Nicole
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>
>
>> Brigitte,
>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That is
>> what
>>
>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the 
>> ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they 
>> don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I think

>> that's the
>>
>> name, to scan books for students!
>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four year 
>> college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for 
>> students as long as they purchased a book. Of  course I use RFB and 
>> like you prefer the live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS

>> and BARd on rare ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; 
>> but sometimes for english or history classes that require readings 
>> like that NLS has come in
>>
>> handy.
>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of a

>> salesman that way.
>>
>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice 
>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the 
>> student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by 
>> the chapter.  Not so at Nova though.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>
>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that 
>> are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in 
>> smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do 
>> what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>
>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share 
>> and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I 
>> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by the

>> chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material, or 
>> they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can 
>> download the material.
>>
>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  
>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>
>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on 
>> my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not 
>> always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at 
>> times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like

>> other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by para, 
>> spell words and other features similar to how we use computers.  I 
>> download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My

>> DSO thought Book Share was a software you downloaded, they didn't 
>> realize, one, you needed a membership, and two, it required a device 
>> like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In fact, they thought the 
>> software was the Victor Stream.  I had to explain this to them.
>>
>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you can

>> make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse they

>> can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different options

>> so you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to your 
>> DSO, or at least know someone who can provide this information.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they 
>> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a 
>> PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF was

>> huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and then 
>> it was all good. I got another book this way again this semester. 
>> Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is like.
>>
>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 22:42:11 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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Ashley, I can't get the Division of Services for the Blind of Arkansas
to pay for a note taker. Do you know where I can get a good deal on a
Pac Mate? I'm using readers and audiobooks, as well. I hate doing it
that way. I'm also an evangelist, which makes it extra hard. I need the
Bible in Braille. I have it in book form, but that's too many volumes. I
need a Pac Mate so I can download it from Bookshare. Arkansas doesn't,
(to my knowledge,) have a NLS library. Blessings, Joshua

On 2/5/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS and 
> read that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or you can 
> get braille books from your NLS regional library. I'd encourage you to

> read and keep up your braille skills; no braile since convention is a 
> long time! I also agree that braille texts in college would be 
> wonderful especially for english classes where you need to read more 
> carefully for analysis and getting quotes.
> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you
braille
> for math and science if you really push for it.
>
> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are 
> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
> scan books or obtain books from publishers; its just that nova doesn't

> because they have not bought those resources.  Heck they do not even 
> have an updated jaws.  Its rediculous services are lacking.
> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
> text
>
> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to 
> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the 
> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
> wrote:
>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least guidelines

>> as to what DRC's should provide.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>
>>
>>> Brigitte,
>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That 
>>> is what
>>>
>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the

>>> ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they 
>>> don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I 
>>> think that's the
>>>
>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four year 
>>> college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for 
>>> students as long as they purchased a book. Of  course I use RFB and 
>>> like you prefer the live voice too over speech.  I also have used 
>>> NLS and BARd on rare ocassions because they have novels, not 
>>> textbooks; but sometimes for english or history classes that require

>>> readings like that NLS has come in
>>>
>>> handy.
>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of 
>>> a salesman that way.
>>>
>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice 
>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the

>>> student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by

>>> the chapter.  Not so at Nova though.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>
>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that 
>>> are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in 
>>> smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do 
>>> what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>
>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share

>>> and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I

>>> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by 
>>> the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material,

>>> or they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can 
>>> download the material.
>>>
>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  
>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>
>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on 
>>> my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not

>>> always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at 
>>> times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, 
>>> like other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by 
>>> para, spell words and other features similar to how we use 
>>> computers.  I download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny 
>>> story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a software you 
>>> downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a membership, and 
>>> two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In 
>>> fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I had to 
>>> explain this to them.
>>>
>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse

>>> they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different 
>>> options so you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to

>>> your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide this information.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they

>>> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a 
>>> PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF 
>>> was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and 
>>> then it was all good. I got another book this way again this 
>>> semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is 
>>> like.
>>>
>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 22:21:30 -0800
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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Are you going to college in your home state? Does your home state have a

department of services for the blind?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic text

> Joshua,
> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS and 
> read
> that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or you can get 
> braille books from your NLS regional library.
> I'd encourage you to read and keep up your braille skills; no braile
since 
> convention is a long time!
> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful
especially 
> for english classes where you need to read more carefully for analysis
and 
> getting quotes.
> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you 
> braille for math and science if you really push for it.
>
> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are
> supposed to provide.
> Again, I believe most universities/colleges do scan books or obtain
books 
> from publishers; its just that nova doesn't because they have not
bought 
> those resources.  Heck they do not even have an updated jaws.  Its 
> rediculous services are lacking.
> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
text
>
> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to 
> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the 
> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
> wrote:
>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least guidelines

>> as to what DRC's should provide.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>
>>
>>> Brigitte,
>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That 
>>> is
>>> what
>>>
>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the

>>> ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they 
>>> don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I 
>>> think that's the
>>>
>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four
>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes for
>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has
come 
>>> in
>>>
>>> handy.
>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of 
>>> a salesman that way.
>>>
>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice 
>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the

>>> student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by

>>> the chapter.  Not so at
>>> Nova though.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>
>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that 
>>> are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in 
>>> smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do 
>>> what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>
>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book Share

>>> and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of times, I

>>> purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send them by 
>>> the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for material,

>>> or they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can 
>>> download the material.
>>>
>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.  
>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>
>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on 
>>> my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is not

>>> always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny at 
>>> times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, 
>>> like other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by 
>>> para, spell words and other features similar to how we use 
>>> computers.  I download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny 
>>> story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a software you 
>>> downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a membership, and 
>>> two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In 
>>> fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I had to 
>>> explain this to them.
>>>
>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the worse

>>> they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of different 
>>> options so you can be helpful with methods that may be unfamiliar to

>>> your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide this information.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, they

>>> request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD as a 
>>> PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the PDF 
>>> was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file and 
>>> then it was all good. I got another book this way again this 
>>> semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is 
>>> like.
>>>
>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 00:33:23 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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I'm attending Phillips Community College in DeWitt, Arkansas. The
Department of Services for the Blind won't pay to get me a Pac Mate.
I've gone down that road. They're immovable. I'm tired of them. When
they do decide to help me, they're too slow about getting it done. The
DSB should stand for, "dumb scam for the blind." Blessings, Joshua

On 2/6/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Are you going to college in your home state? Does your home state have

> a department of services for the blind?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
> text
>
>
>> Joshua,
>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS and

>> read
>>
>> that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or you can get 
>> braille books from your NLS regional library. I'd encourage you to 
>> read and keep up your braille skills; no braile since
>>
>> convention is a long time!
>> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful 
>> especially for english classes where you need to read more carefully 
>> for analysis and
>>
>> getting quotes.
>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you 
>> braille for math and science if you really push for it.
>>
>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are 
>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>> scan books or obtain books from publishers; its just that nova 
>> doesn't because they have not bought those resources.  Heck they do 
>> not even have an updated jaws.  Its rediculous services are lacking.
>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>> text
>>
>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to 
>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the 
>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brigitte,
>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That 
>>>> is what
>>>>
>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that 
>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, 
>>>> I think that's the
>>>>
>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>>>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four
>>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes
for
>>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has
come
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>> handy.
>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of

>>>> a salesman that way.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice 
>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>> the student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They 
>>>> scanned by the chapter.  Not so at
>>>> Nova though.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>
>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that

>>>> are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in 
>>>> smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do 
>>>> what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>>
>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send 
>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for 
>>>> material, or they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive 
>>>> where I can download the material.
>>>>
>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>>
>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on

>>>> my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is 
>>>> not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny 
>>>> at times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because,

>>>> like other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by 
>>>> para, spell words and other features similar to how we use 
>>>> computers.  I download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny 
>>>> story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a software you 
>>>> downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a membership, and 
>>>> two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In

>>>> fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I had to 
>>>> explain this to them.
>>>>
>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>> this information.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD

>>>> as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the 
>>>> PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file

>>>> and then it was all good. I got another book this way again this 
>>>> semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is

>>>> like.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 02:49:27 -0500
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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If the division of services for the blind is not even getting a
notetaker for you, what are they planning on helping with? This must be
frustrating...

IC
On Feb 5, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

> Ashley, I can't get the Division of Services for the Blind of Arkansas

> to pay for a note taker. Do you know where I can get a good deal on a 
> Pac Mate? I'm using readers and audiobooks, as well. I hate doing it 
> that way. I'm also an evangelist, which makes it extra hard. I need 
> the Bible in Braille. I have it in book form, but that's too many 
> volumes. I need a Pac Mate so I can download it from Bookshare. 
> Arkansas doesn't, (to my knowledge,) have a NLS library. Blessings, 
> Joshua
> 
> On 2/5/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS and

>> read that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or you can

>> get braille books from your NLS regional library. I'd encourage you 
>> to read and keep up your braille skills; no braile since convention 
>> is a long time! I also agree that braille texts in college would be 
>> wonderful especially for english classes where you need to read more 
>> carefully for analysis and getting quotes.
>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you
braille
>> for math and science if you really push for it.
>> 
>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are 
>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>> scan books or obtain books from publishers; its just that nova 
>> doesn't because they have not bought those resources.  Heck they do 
>> not even have an updated jaws.  Its rediculous services are lacking.
>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>> text
>> 
>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to 
>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the 
>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>> 
>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>> 
>>> Nicole
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Brigitte,
>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That 
>>>> is what
>>>> 
>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that 
>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, 
>>>> I think that's the
>>>> 
>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>>>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four year 
>>>> college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for 
>>>> students as long as they purchased a book. Of  course I use RFB and

>>>> like you prefer the live voice too over speech.  I also have used 
>>>> NLS and BARd on rare ocassions because they have novels, not 
>>>> textbooks; but sometimes for english or history classes that 
>>>> require readings like that NLS has come in
>>>> 
>>>> handy.
>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of

>>>> a salesman that way.
>>>> 
>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice 
>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>> the student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They 
>>>> scanned by the chapter.  Not so at Nova though.
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>> 
>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that

>>>> are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in 
>>>> smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do 
>>>> what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>> 
>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send 
>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for 
>>>> material, or they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive 
>>>> where I can download the material.
>>>> 
>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>> 
>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files on

>>>> my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille is 
>>>> not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound funny 
>>>> at times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice because,

>>>> like other electronic versions, I can read line by line, para by 
>>>> para, spell words and other features similar to how we use 
>>>> computers.  I download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny 
>>>> story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a software you 
>>>> downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a membership, and 
>>>> two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille display.  In

>>>> fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I had to 
>>>> explain this to them.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>> this information.
>>>> 
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a CD

>>>> as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as the 
>>>> PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text file

>>>> and then it was all good. I got another book this way again this 
>>>> semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what it is

>>>> like.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 08:21:45 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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All they have done is get a computer and the Jaws software. That's only
for me to use at home. It won't help me take notes in class. Blessings,
Joshua

On 2/6/11, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the division of services for the blind is not even getting a 
> notetaker for you, what are they planning on helping with? This must 
> be frustrating...
>
> IC
> On Feb 5, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> Ashley, I can't get the Division of Services for the Blind of 
>> Arkansas to pay for a note taker. Do you know where I can get a good 
>> deal on a Pac Mate? I'm using readers and audiobooks, as well. I hate

>> doing it that way. I'm also an evangelist, which makes it extra hard.

>> I need the Bible in Braille. I have it in book form, but that's too 
>> many volumes. I need a Pac Mate so I can download it from Bookshare. 
>> Arkansas doesn't, (to my knowledge,) have a NLS library. Blessings, 
>> Joshua
>>
>> On 2/5/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS 
>>> and read that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or 
>>> you can get braille
>>> books from your NLS regional library.
>>> I'd encourage you to read and keep up your braille skills; no braile
>>> since
>>> convention is a long time!
>>> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful
especially
>>> for
>>> english classes where you need to read more carefully for analysis
and
>>> getting quotes.
>>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you
>>> braille
>>> for math and science if you really push for it.
>>>
>>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are

>>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>>> scan books or obtain books from publishers; its just that nova 
>>> doesn't because they have not bought those resources.  Heck they do 
>>> not even have an updated jaws.  Its rediculous services are lacking.
>>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>>> text
>>>
>>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to

>>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the

>>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brigitte,
>>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That

>>>>> is what
>>>>>
>>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that

>>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro,

>>>>> I think that's the
>>>>>
>>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books!
>>>>> I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the
nearest
>>>>> four
>>>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes
for
>>>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has
come
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>> handy.
>>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death 
>>>>> of a salesman that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice

>>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>>> the student via email.
>>>>> That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.
Not so
>>>>> at
>>>>> Nova though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>>
>>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents 
>>>>> that are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least

>>>>> in smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they

>>>>> do what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send

>>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for

>>>>> material, or they
>>>>> use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can
download the
>>>>> material.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files 
>>>>> on my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille 
>>>>> is not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound 
>>>>> funny at times, but now
>>>>> that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like other
electronic
>>>>> versions, I can read line by line, para by para, spell words and
other
>>>>> features similar to how we use computers.  I download Book Share
files
>>>>> on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My DSO thought Book Share
was
>>>>> a
>>>>> software you downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a
>>>>> membership, and two, it required a device like a Victor and/or
Braille
>>>>> display.  In fact, they thought the software was the Victor
Stream.  I
>>>>> had to explain this to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>>> this information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a 
>>>>> CD as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as 
>>>>> the PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text

>>>>> file and then it was all good. I got another book this way again 
>>>>> this semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what

>>>>> it is like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:20:10 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Hi joshua,
That's bad; how do they expect you to write notes for your own study and
in 
class?  Get a notetaker like a braille note and if your counselor says
no, 
go above her.
A computer is not portable unless you get a laptop, but I'd recommend a 
notetaker anyway for its portability and battery life.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:21 AM
To: \National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic text

All they have done is get a computer and the Jaws software. That's only
for me to use at home. It won't help me take notes in class. Blessings,
Joshua

On 2/6/11, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the division of services for the blind is not even getting a 
> notetaker for you, what are they planning on helping with? This must 
> be frustrating...
>
> IC
> On Feb 5, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> Ashley, I can't get the Division of Services for the Blind of 
>> Arkansas to pay for a note taker. Do you know where I can get a good 
>> deal on a Pac Mate? I'm using readers and audiobooks, as well. I hate

>> doing it that way. I'm also an evangelist, which makes it extra hard.

>> I need the Bible in Braille. I have it in book form, but that's too 
>> many volumes. I need a Pac Mate so I can download it from Bookshare. 
>> Arkansas doesn't, (to my knowledge,) have a NLS library. Blessings, 
>> Joshua
>>
>> On 2/5/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS 
>>> and read that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or 
>>> you can get braille
>>> books from your NLS regional library.
>>> I'd encourage you to read and keep up your braille skills; no braile
>>> since
>>> convention is a long time!
>>> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful
especially
>>> for
>>> english classes where you need to read more carefully for analysis
and
>>> getting quotes.
>>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you
>>> braille
>>> for math and science if you really push for it.
>>>
>>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are

>>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>>> scan books or obtain books
>>> from publishers; its just that nova doesn't because they have not
bought
>>> those resources.  Heck they do not even have an updated jaws.  Its
>>> rediculous services are lacking.
>>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>>> text
>>>
>>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to

>>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the

>>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brigitte,
>>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That

>>>>> is what
>>>>>
>>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that

>>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro,

>>>>> I think that's the
>>>>>
>>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books!
>>>>> I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the
nearest
>>>>> four
>>>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes
for
>>>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has

>>>>> come
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>> handy.
>>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death 
>>>>> of a salesman that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice

>>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>>> the student via email.
>>>>> That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.
Not so
>>>>> at
>>>>> Nova though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>>
>>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve
>>>>> myself
>>>>> as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that are
long,
>>>>> I
>>>>> request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in smaller
sections.
>>>>> I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do what they can,
but of
>>>>> course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send

>>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for

>>>>> material, or they
>>>>> use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can
download 
>>>>> the
>>>>> material.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files 
>>>>> on my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille 
>>>>> is not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound 
>>>>> funny at times, but now
>>>>> that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like other 
>>>>> electronic
>>>>> versions, I can read line by line, para by para, spell words and
other
>>>>> features similar to how we use computers.  I download Book Share
files
>>>>> on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My DSO thought Book Share
was
>>>>> a
>>>>> software you downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a
>>>>> membership, and two, it required a device like a Victor and/or
Braille
>>>>> display.  In fact, they thought the software was the Victor
Stream.  I
>>>>> had to explain this to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>>> this information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a 
>>>>> CD as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as 
>>>>> the PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text

>>>>> file and then it was all good. I got another book this way again 
>>>>> this semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what

>>>>> it is like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:19:22 -0500
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
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Aren't they required to do that by law though?

On Feb 6, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:

> I'm attending Phillips Community College in DeWitt, Arkansas. The 
> Department of Services for the Blind won't pay to get me a Pac Mate. 
> I've gone down that road. They're immovable. I'm tired of them. When 
> they do decide to help me, they're too slow about getting it done. The

> DSB should stand for, "dumb scam for the blind." Blessings, Joshua
> 
> On 2/6/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
> wrote:
>> Are you going to college in your home state? Does your home state 
>> have a department of services for the blind?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>> text
>> 
>> 
>>> Joshua,
>>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS 
>>> and read
>>> 
>>> that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or you can get

>>> braille books from your NLS regional library. I'd encourage you to 
>>> read and keep up your braille skills; no braile since
>>> 
>>> convention is a long time!
>>> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful 
>>> especially for english classes where you need to read more carefully

>>> for analysis and
>>> 
>>> getting quotes.
>>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you 
>>> braille for math and science if you really push for it.
>>> 
>>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are

>>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>>> scan books or obtain books from publishers; its just that nova 
>>> doesn't because they have not bought those resources.  Heck they do 
>>> not even have an updated jaws.  Its rediculous services are lacking.
>>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>>> text
>>> 
>>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to

>>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the

>>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>>> 
>>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>>> 
>>>> Nicole
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Brigitte,
>>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That

>>>>> is what
>>>>> 
>>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that

>>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro,

>>>>> I think that's the
>>>>> 
>>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>>>>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four
>>>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes
for
>>>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has
come
>>>>> in
>>>>> 
>>>>> handy.
>>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death 
>>>>> of a salesman that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice

>>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>>> the student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They 
>>>>> scanned by the chapter.  Not so at
>>>>> Nova though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents 
>>>>> that are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least

>>>>> in smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they

>>>>> do what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send

>>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for

>>>>> material, or they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive 
>>>>> where I can download the material.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files 
>>>>> on my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille 
>>>>> is not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound 
>>>>> funny at times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice 
>>>>> because, like other electronic versions, I can read line by line, 
>>>>> para by para, spell words and other features similar to how we use

>>>>> computers.  I download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny 
>>>>> story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a software you 
>>>>> downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a membership, and

>>>>> two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille display.  
>>>>> In fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I had 
>>>>> to explain this to them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>>> this information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a 
>>>>> CD as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as 
>>>>> the PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text

>>>>> file and then it was all good. I got another book this way again 
>>>>> this semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what

>>>>> it is like.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:00:02 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
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Ashley,

Since I am a creative writing major, many of my textbooks are literature
books so I like to use BARD, NLS or RFBD so I can enjoy the reading.  I
mark any places so I can refer to the electronic copy which has page
numbers.  RFBD is not my favorite, though, because the narrators do not
always do a great job.  I am reading an ancient Irish text this semester
that has been translated into English and the RFBD narrator keeps
tripping up on the Gaelic names.  *smile*

I have gotten use to reading with JAWS however.  My emphasis is in
creative nonfiction and many of these books are not currently available
in accessible audio formats.

I am not sure of the legality, but aren't schools now required to find
material in proper formats as well as giving them to students in proper
amounts of time?  It seems like a school should have to have some form
of scanning for students who require electronic copies.  What do they do
when books are not currently in an accessible format?  So you can't buy
the book and have the DSO scan it?  I would look into that.

Does your area have a good agency for the blind?  Perhaps they can look
into this.

Bridgit

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:45:11 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
Message-ID: <52EF84397E574E82BD2E0FC00B69079F at OwnerPC>
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Brigitte,
That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That is
what 
upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the
ability 
to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they don't have
the 
software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I think that's the name,
to 
scan books for students!
Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that allows

universities/colleges to share scanned books!
I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest
four 
year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for 
students as long as they purchased a book.
Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
ocassions 
because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes for english or 
history classes that require readings like that NLS has come in handy.
For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of a 
salesman that way.

Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice for
DSOs 
to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the student via 
email.
That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.  Not so
at 
Nova though.

Ashley

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:18:44 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
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No they do not scan books which frustrates me and other students!
The other book I need as I said in the prior posts you got to unzip the 
stupid file from the internet and I did not do it right and now need another 
link to try downloading again.
In my past schools yes they scanned matterial and I'd get it by the chapter 
via email or they got CDs of ebooks from the publisher.

I'll use readers; the dss is not helpful.
I'll be lucky if I can get another link to download my tech editing book.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:00 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text

Ashley,

Since I am a creative writing major, many of my textbooks are literature
books so I like to use BARD, NLS or RFBD so I can enjoy the reading.  I
mark any places so I can refer to the electronic copy which has page
numbers.  RFBD is not my favorite, though, because the narrators do not
always do a great job.  I am reading an ancient Irish text this semester
that has been translated into English and the RFBD narrator keeps
tripping up on the Gaelic names.  *smile*

I have gotten use to reading with JAWS however.  My emphasis is in
creative nonfiction and many of these books are not currently available
in accessible audio formats.

I am not sure of the legality, but aren't schools now required to find
material in proper formats as well as giving them to students in proper
amounts of time?  It seems like a school should have to have some form
of scanning for students who require electronic copies.  What do they do
when books are not currently in an accessible format?  So you can't buy
the book and have the DSO scan it?  I would look into that.

Does your area have a good agency for the blind?  Perhaps they can look
into this.

Bridgit

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:45:11 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
Message-ID: <52EF84397E574E82BD2E0FC00B69079F at OwnerPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Brigitte,
That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That is
what
upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the
ability
to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they don't have
the
software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I think that's the name,
to
scan books for students!
Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that allows

universities/colleges to share scanned books!
I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest
four
year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for
students as long as they purchased a book.
Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
ocassions
because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes for english or
history classes that require readings like that NLS has come in handy.
For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of a
salesman that way.

Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice for
DSOs
to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the student via
email.
That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.  Not so
at
Nova though.

Ashley

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:26:42 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
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I don't know who posted about the RFBD books. I found it funny that
the narrators keep tripping up on words. Even in my history and
Geography books, they have so many "ums," and "urs," that it's
laughable. They need better readers. The Library of Congress narrators
weren't that bad. Blessings, Joshua

On 2/6/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> No they do not scan books which frustrates me and other students!
> The other book I need as I said in the prior posts you got to unzip the
> stupid file from the internet and I did not do it right and now need another
> link to try downloading again.
> In my past schools yes they scanned matterial and I'd get it by the chapter
> via email or they got CDs of ebooks from the publisher.
>
> I'll use readers; the dss is not helpful.
> I'll be lucky if I can get another link to download my tech editing book.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:00 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>
> Ashley,
>
> Since I am a creative writing major, many of my textbooks are literature
> books so I like to use BARD, NLS or RFBD so I can enjoy the reading.  I
> mark any places so I can refer to the electronic copy which has page
> numbers.  RFBD is not my favorite, though, because the narrators do not
> always do a great job.  I am reading an ancient Irish text this semester
> that has been translated into English and the RFBD narrator keeps
> tripping up on the Gaelic names.  *smile*
>
> I have gotten use to reading with JAWS however.  My emphasis is in
> creative nonfiction and many of these books are not currently available
> in accessible audio formats.
>
> I am not sure of the legality, but aren't schools now required to find
> material in proper formats as well as giving them to students in proper
> amounts of time?  It seems like a school should have to have some form
> of scanning for students who require electronic copies.  What do they do
> when books are not currently in an accessible format?  So you can't buy
> the book and have the DSO scan it?  I would look into that.
>
> Does your area have a good agency for the blind?  Perhaps they can look
> into this.
>
> Bridgit
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:45:11 -0500
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
> Message-ID: <52EF84397E574E82BD2E0FC00B69079F at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Brigitte,
> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That is
> what
> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have the
> ability
> to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that they don't have
> the
> software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro, I think that's the name,
> to
> scan books for students!
> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that allows
>
> universities/colleges to share scanned books!
> I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest
> four
> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books for
> students as long as they purchased a book.
> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
> ocassions
> because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes for english or
> history classes that require readings like that NLS has come in handy.
> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death of a
> salesman that way.
>
> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice for
> DSOs
> to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to the student via
> email.
> That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.  Not so
> at
> Nova though.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:29:04 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] A national standard, obtaining electronic text
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Joshua,

Many departments for the blind are only required to purchase a note
taker or a computer.  I trained in Iowa and they were going to purchase
me both a PAC Mate and laptop with JAWS, but I moved to Nebraska before
I started school again and here, they would only purchase me one or the
other.

A lot of this depends on funding and placement of funding.  Directors
need to actively focus on gaining funding for necessary programs and
services as well as working to properly distributed that funding where
it will benefit clients the most.

If in this situation, I would advise students choose a laptop, or
netbook (which is what I use) so you have the ability to take notes as
well as complete assignments.  It does make using Braille a problem, but
some universities will supply Braille material if requested.  My DSO
outsources, but they can get my material in Braille.

Also, I recommend purchasing your own technology if possible.  I know
much of it is expensive, but often necessary.  Since going back to
university, I have had to buy my own Victor Stream and I recently bought
my Netbook for the convenience factor due to its size.  If possible, do
what you can to save up so you can buy any equipment you feel is
necessary.  Remember, not everything will be cheap in life and we will
not always be clients of institutions that will purchase technology and
material for us.

I know what it is like to be a struggling college student so please do
not take my comments as any criticism, but just as advice.  I am a
non-traditional student now, but I have been there-- hell, I'm still
there!  LOL

Bridgit

Message: 14 
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 08:21:45 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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All they have done is get a computer and the Jaws software. That's only
for me to use at home. It won't help me take notes in class. Blessings,
Joshua

On 2/6/11, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the division of services for the blind is not even getting a 
> notetaker for you, what are they planning on helping with? This must 
> be frustrating...
>
> IC
> On Feb 5, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> Ashley, I can't get the Division of Services for the Blind of 
>> Arkansas to pay for a note taker. Do you know where I can get a good 
>> deal on a Pac Mate? I'm using readers and audiobooks, as well. I hate

>> doing it that way. I'm also an evangelist, which makes it extra hard.

>> I need the Bible in Braille. I have it in book form, but that's too 
>> many volumes. I need a Pac Mate so I can download it from Bookshare. 
>> Arkansas doesn't, (to my knowledge,) have a NLS library. Blessings, 
>> Joshua
>>
>> On 2/5/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS 
>>> and read that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or 
>>> you can get braille
>>> books from your NLS regional library.
>>> I'd encourage you to read and keep up your braille skills; no braile
>>> since
>>> convention is a long time!
>>> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful
especially
>>> for
>>> english classes where you need to read more carefully for analysis
and
>>> getting quotes.
>>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you
>>> braille
>>> for math and science if you really push for it.
>>>
>>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are

>>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>>> scan books or obtain books from publishers; its just that nova 
>>> doesn't because they have not bought those resources.  Heck they do 
>>> not even have an updated jaws.  Its rediculous services are lacking.
>>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>>> text
>>>
>>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to

>>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the

>>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brigitte,
>>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That

>>>>> is what
>>>>>
>>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that

>>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro,

>>>>> I think that's the
>>>>>
>>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books!
>>>>> I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the
nearest
>>>>> four
>>>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes
for
>>>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has
come
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>> handy.
>>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death 
>>>>> of a salesman that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice

>>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>>> the student via email.
>>>>> That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.
Not so
>>>>> at
>>>>> Nova though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>>
>>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents 
>>>>> that are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least

>>>>> in smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they

>>>>> do what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send

>>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for

>>>>> material, or they
>>>>> use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can
download the
>>>>> material.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files 
>>>>> on my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille 
>>>>> is not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound 
>>>>> funny at times, but now
>>>>> that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like other
electronic
>>>>> versions, I can read line by line, para by para, spell words and
other
>>>>> features similar to how we use computers.  I download Book Share
files
>>>>> on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My DSO thought Book Share
was
>>>>> a
>>>>> software you downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a
>>>>> membership, and two, it required a device like a Victor and/or
Braille
>>>>> display.  In fact, they thought the software was the Victor
Stream.  I
>>>>> had to explain this to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>>> this information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a 
>>>>> CD as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as 
>>>>> the PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text

>>>>> file and then it was all good. I got another book this way again 
>>>>> this semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what

>>>>> it is like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:20:10 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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Hi joshua,
That's bad; how do they expect you to write notes for your own study and
in 
class?  Get a notetaker like a braille note and if your counselor says
no, 
go above her.
A computer is not portable unless you get a laptop, but I'd recommend a 
notetaker anyway for its portability and battery life.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:21 AM
To: \National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic text

All they have done is get a computer and the Jaws software. That's only
for me to use at home. It won't help me take notes in class. Blessings,
Joshua

On 2/6/11, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the division of services for the blind is not even getting a 
> notetaker for you, what are they planning on helping with? This must 
> be frustrating...
>
> IC
> On Feb 5, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>
>> Ashley, I can't get the Division of Services for the Blind of 
>> Arkansas to pay for a note taker. Do you know where I can get a good 
>> deal on a Pac Mate? I'm using readers and audiobooks, as well. I hate

>> doing it that way. I'm also an evangelist, which makes it extra hard.

>> I need the Bible in Braille. I have it in book form, but that's too 
>> many volumes. I need a Pac Mate so I can download it from Bookshare. 
>> Arkansas doesn't, (to my knowledge,) have a NLS library. Blessings, 
>> Joshua
>>
>> On 2/5/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS 
>>> and read that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or 
>>> you can get braille
>>> books from your NLS regional library.
>>> I'd encourage you to read and keep up your braille skills; no braile
>>> since
>>> convention is a long time!
>>> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful
especially
>>> for
>>> english classes where you need to read more carefully for analysis
and
>>> getting quotes.
>>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you
>>> braille
>>> for math and science if you really push for it.
>>>
>>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are

>>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>>> scan books or obtain books
>>> from publishers; its just that nova doesn't because they have not
bought
>>> those resources.  Heck they do not even have an updated jaws.  Its
>>> rediculous services are lacking.
>>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>>> text
>>>
>>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to

>>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the

>>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brigitte,
>>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That

>>>>> is what
>>>>>
>>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that

>>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro,

>>>>> I think that's the
>>>>>
>>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books!
>>>>> I think its called Access text. George Mason university, the
nearest
>>>>> four
>>>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes
for
>>>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has

>>>>> come
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>> handy.
>>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death 
>>>>> of a salesman that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice

>>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>>> the student via email.
>>>>> That is how it was at Marymount.  They scanned by the chapter.
Not so
>>>>> at
>>>>> Nova though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>>
>>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve
>>>>> myself
>>>>> as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents that are
long,
>>>>> I
>>>>> request they be broken up by chapter, or at least in smaller
sections.
>>>>> I have said I prefer Word documents, and they do what they can,
but of
>>>>> course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send

>>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for

>>>>> material, or they
>>>>> use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive where I can
download 
>>>>> the
>>>>> material.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files 
>>>>> on my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille 
>>>>> is not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound 
>>>>> funny at times, but now
>>>>> that I am use to it, it is actually nice because, like other 
>>>>> electronic
>>>>> versions, I can read line by line, para by para, spell words and
other
>>>>> features similar to how we use computers.  I download Book Share
files
>>>>> on my own at home.  Funny story though.  My DSO thought Book Share
was
>>>>> a
>>>>> software you downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a
>>>>> membership, and two, it required a device like a Victor and/or
Braille
>>>>> display.  In fact, they thought the software was the Victor
Stream.  I
>>>>> had to explain this to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>>> this information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a 
>>>>> CD as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as 
>>>>> the PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text

>>>>> file and then it was all good. I got another book this way again 
>>>>> this semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what

>>>>> it is like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:19:22 -0500
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic
    text
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Aren't they required to do that by law though?

On Feb 6, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:

> I'm attending Phillips Community College in DeWitt, Arkansas. The 
> Department of Services for the Blind won't pay to get me a Pac Mate. 
> I've gone down that road. They're immovable. I'm tired of them. When 
> they do decide to help me, they're too slow about getting it done. The

> DSB should stand for, "dumb scam for the blind." Blessings, Joshua
> 
> On 2/6/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
> wrote:
>> Are you going to college in your home state? Does your home state 
>> have a department of services for the blind?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>> text
>> 
>> 
>>> Joshua,
>>> You can obtain braille books through web braille sponsored by NLS 
>>> and read
>>> 
>>> that way if you have a braille display on a notetaker or you can get

>>> braille books from your NLS regional library. I'd encourage you to 
>>> read and keep up your braille skills; no braile since
>>> 
>>> convention is a long time!
>>> I also agree that braille texts in college would be wonderful 
>>> especially for english classes where you need to read more carefully

>>> for analysis and
>>> 
>>> getting quotes.
>>> But braille is seldom available but some universities will give you 
>>> braille for math and science if you really push for it.
>>> 
>>> Nicole, I also agree we need a national standard as to what DRCs are

>>> supposed to provide. Again, I believe most universities/colleges do 
>>> scan books or obtain books from publishers; its just that nova 
>>> doesn't because they have not bought those resources.  Heck they do 
>>> not even have an updated jaws.  Its rediculous services are lacking.
>>> I'm using readers since I can't get books in accessible format.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A National Standard Re: Obtaining electronic 
>>> text
>>> 
>>> You are all talking about scanning books. I wish we could go back to

>>> Braille. The sad thing is, that I haven't read any Braille since the

>>> NFB convention. They don't offer college textbooks in Braille in 
>>> Arkansas. This drives me mad! If our textbooks were available on 
>>> Bookshare, I'd get them. Blessings, Joshua
>>> 
>>> On 2/5/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> And it is things like this that are the reason that I think that 
>>>> there should be some kind of national standard or at least 
>>>> guidelines as to what DRC's should provide.
>>>> 
>>>> Nicole
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Brigitte,
>>>>> That is great the DSO helps you and scans chapters as needed. That

>>>>> is what
>>>>> 
>>>>> upsets me too. The largest community college in VA does not have 
>>>>> the ability to scan books; or that's what I'm told!  They say that

>>>>> they don't have the software such as Abby fine reader or Omni pro,

>>>>> I think that's the
>>>>> 
>>>>> name, to scan books for students!
>>>>> Its so rediculous.  Oh they also do not belong to a database that 
>>>>> allows universities/colleges to share scanned books! I think its 
>>>>> called Access text. George Mason university, the nearest four
>>>>> year college, belongs and does what your school does, scans books
for
>>>>> students as long as they purchased a book.
>>>>> Of  course I use RFB and like you prefer the
>>>>> live voice too over speech.  I also have used NLS and BARd on rare
>>>>> ocassions because they have novels, not textbooks; but sometimes
for
>>>>> english or history classes that require readings like that NLS has
come
>>>>> in
>>>>> 
>>>>> handy.
>>>>> For instance I read the Prince, The Cruicible, and part of Death 
>>>>> of a salesman that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glad to know about your college; sounds like its standard practice

>>>>> for DSOs to scan books and either put them on CD or send them to 
>>>>> the student via email. That is how it was at Marymount.  They 
>>>>> scanned by the chapter.  Not so at
>>>>> Nova though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 6:23 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining electronic text
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know each Disability Office is different, but I try to involve 
>>>>> myself as much as possible in the process.  With PDF documents 
>>>>> that are long, I request they be broken up by chapter, or at least

>>>>> in smaller sections. I have said I prefer Word documents, and they

>>>>> do what they can, but of course I can not get everything in Word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We also look for text available in all formats like RFBD, Book 
>>>>> Share and we contact the publishers directly sometimes.  A lot of 
>>>>> times, I purchase books and the DSO scans them.  Usually they send

>>>>> them by the chapter.  I either receive emails with attachments for

>>>>> material, or they use a feature on Blackboard called the X drive 
>>>>> where I can download the material.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do use NLS and BARD at times, but usually in conjunction with 
>>>>> electronic copies since page numbers are not listed for NLS books.

>>>>> It is nice to have a live voice narrating over an electronic one, 
>>>>> though I have grown use to JAWS's drone!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Book Share was an adjustment for me because I use the text files 
>>>>> on my Victor Stream because I have a nerve condition and Braille 
>>>>> is not always the most efficient method.  The text files sound 
>>>>> funny at times, but now that I am use to it, it is actually nice 
>>>>> because, like other electronic versions, I can read line by line, 
>>>>> para by para, spell words and other features similar to how we use

>>>>> computers.  I download Book Share files on my own at home.  Funny 
>>>>> story though.  My DSO thought Book Share was a software you 
>>>>> downloaded, they didn't realize, one, you needed a membership, and

>>>>> two, it required a device like a Victor and/or Braille display.  
>>>>> In fact, they thought the software was the Victor Stream.  I had 
>>>>> to explain this to them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, each DSO has their format for gathering and distributing 
>>>>> material, but be aware of how other institutions do things so you 
>>>>> can make suggestions, and do not hesitate to make request; the 
>>>>> worse they can do is say no.  Also, try to be knowledgeable of 
>>>>> different options so you can be helpful with methods that may be 
>>>>> unfamiliar to your DSO, or at least know someone who can provide 
>>>>> this information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:06:08 -0500
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] obtaining electronic texts
>>>>> Message-ID: <AE27D4778D98498EAD071EAC711B091B at Cptr233>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow that seems very complicated. My college has me sign a form, 
>>>>> they request the book, and then it comes from the publisher on a 
>>>>> CD as a PDF file. Last semester that was not sucha good thing, as 
>>>>> the PDF was huge and very hard to handle. I converted it to a Text

>>>>> file and then it was all good. I got another book this way again 
>>>>> this semester. Haven't had to do much with it so I don't know what

>>>>> it is like.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry your college way is so complicated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:33:05 -0500
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] for Joshua and others with similar experiences
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Joshua:
I forgot what its called,
but there's a program that does an annual selection of applicants for devices like the Packmate that covers up to half the cost of your technology.

I don't know the link,
but Google is your friend.

Jorge

On Feb 6, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:

> We had trouble in Pine Bluff. My counselor retired, and they took
> forever to train my current counselor. The problem was, that the Pine
> Bluff office was willing to help me, but the main one in Little Rock
> wouldn't cooperate. The guy over the Little Rock one said that I
> didn't need a Pac Mate, he only authorized them to provide the
> computer and Jaws. I need a Pac Mate to download my textbooks, and to
> take notes in class. I've tried to tell them this, but I'm having no
> success. I'm tired of having work-studies reading things to me.
> Blessings, Joshua
> 
> On 2/6/11, Annemarie Cooke <aec732 at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joshua,Annemarie Cooke here. First, if your VR counselor won't provide
>> equipment you feel you need, you should speak to the supervisor of that
>> counselor. And if that doesn't work, your blindness agency, by law, has a
>> Client Assistance Program (CAP) which helps consumers resolve issues with
>> the agency). Have you gone beyond a "no" from your counselor? Now is your
>> opportunity to make a convincing case as to why you need a Pacmate or
>> similar braille note taking device.
>> 
>> List, please know that the Association on Higher Ed and Disability (AHEAD)
>> runs a multiday annual workshop on creating alternative text materials for
>> DSOs. They acknowledge individual students have individual needs and
>> preferences when it comes to educational materials (www.AHEAD.org)
>> 
>> And finally, I went to: nls.loc.gov and found info on the NLS library in AR:
>> Address list for Arkansas
>> 
>> 
>> Arkansas
>> Regional Library
>> Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
>> 900 West Capitol Avenue, Suite 100
>> Little Rock, AR 72201-3108
>> 
>> Librarian: John D Hall
>> Library Code: AR1A
>> Telephone: (501) 682-1155
>> Toll-free (In-state): (866) 660-0885
>> TDD: (501) 682-1002
>> FAX: (501) 682-1529
>> E-mail: nlsbooks at Library.Arkansas.gov or jd at Library.Arkansas.gov
>> Web site:
>> http://www.library.arkansas.gov/libraryForTheBlind/Pages/default.aspx
>> 
>> Hours of Operation: 8:00-5:00 M-F
>> 
>> Serves: Arkansas
>> 
>> Subregional Library
>> Library for the Blind and Handicapped, Southwest
>> Magnolia, AR 71754
>> 
>> Library Code: AR1E
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:20:19 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] windows 7 navigation
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Hi all,

As I said before I am used to windows xp.  Going to windows 7 and its layout is worse than the microsoft ribbons.  I find jaws gets stuck in the ribbons sometimes and you can?t go backward to the last option.

The layout is weird.  How do you best navigate it?  For instance in the documents, there are two lists where as before it was one list and you could arrow up and down.  How do you get to the other part of the screen?  Jaws keeps saying tree view.  When I enter on the folder, it opens the folder, but all options/files are displayed in the other part of the screen.  Its confusing.
Is tab the best option? I pressed right arrow to open the ?tree view? which is the way things opened before.  I  still did not see the options for that folder.  When you down arrow through the list, jaws says ?level 2 something? and Level 3 something? etc.

Also after creating a subfolder in documents, how do you save to it?  I went to save in the file, shift tabbed back to the name of the folder, and pressed enter.  Enter is equivalent to clicking it.  This doesn?t work.  A family member told me the folder name was not highlighted so that is why it didn?t work.  
You have to highlight it for it to recognize the folder. Thing is you don?t know if its highlighted.  In past microsoft versions if you were on a folder, it was highlighted.  You just listened to jaws to tell you where you were.  I could down arrow then up arrow to highlight it I suppose.
I found the last windows easier.
Ashley

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:44:17 -0700
From: "becky sabo" <beckyasabo at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows 7 navigation
Message-ID: <CC4835A8C6F44859BE389B0B168848EB at BSaboPC>
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Hi everyone,
I have a windows seven desktop that I just bought.  I am still getting
around in it too.  So far it seems ok.
Becky sabo 

-----Original Message-----
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Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Subject: [nabs-l] windows 7 navigation

Hi all,

As I said before I am used to windows xp.  Going to windows 7 and its layout
is worse than the microsoft ribbons.  I find jaws gets stuck in the ribbons
sometimes and you can't go backward to the last option.

The layout is weird.  How do you best navigate it?  For instance in the
documents, there are two lists where as before it was one list and you could
arrow up and down.  How do you get to the other part of the screen?  Jaws
keeps saying tree view.  When I enter on the folder, it opens the folder,
but all options/files are displayed in the other part of the screen.  Its
confusing.
Is tab the best option? I pressed right arrow to open the "tree view" which
is the way things opened before.  I  still did not see the options for that
folder.  When you down arrow through the list, jaws says "level 2 something"
and Level 3 something" etc.

Also after creating a subfolder in documents, how do you save to it?  I went
to save in the file, shift tabbed back to the name of the folder, and
pressed enter.  Enter is equivalent to clicking it.  This doesn't work.  A
family member told me the folder name was not highlighted so that is why it
didn't work.  
You have to highlight it for it to recognize the folder. Thing is you don't
know if its highlighted.  In past microsoft versions if you were on a
folder, it was highlighted.  You just listened to jaws to tell you where you
were.  I could down arrow then up arrow to highlight it I suppose.
I found the last windows easier.
Ashley
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:53:37 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Subject: [nabs-l] creating folders
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Hi all,
What is a good way to create a new folder?  I?d like it to be in the documents area.
What order are folders read in?

Ashley

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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:02:56 -0500
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Discussion list for NABS,    National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
    <nabs at acb.org>,     "'National Association of Blind Students mailing
    list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Transferring Audio Books on iTunes
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Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Hello,

I used MP3 to iPod Audio Book Converter to turn a bunch of MP3 tracks into
one M4B file.  Then, I opened iTunes, went to File, and added that file to
my Library.  On my PC, it's showing up just fine under Books, but it's not
synchronizing with my iPod.  iTunes is the devil.  I'm going to listen to
that FS Cast on iTunes and JAWS 12, but if anyone has any ideas on why my
audio book is not transferring over to the device, I sure would be
appreciative.  Also, any alternatives to iTunes that work well with JAWS
would be great.  Other than providing a quicker way to downloading and
installing apps, I think it's a headache!

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:08:06 +0000
From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com
To: jsorozco at gmail.com,    "National Association of Blind Students
    mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transferring Audio Books on iTunes
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I am not sure how to explain it effectively using a screen reader but you have to make sure the sync audiobooks tab is checked for syncing all audiobooks.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [nabs-l] Transferring Audio Books on iTunes

Hello,

I used MP3 to iPod Audio Book Converter to turn a bunch of MP3 tracks into
one M4B file.  Then, I opened iTunes, went to File, and added that file to
my Library.  On my PC, it's showing up just fine under Books, but it's not
synchronizing with my iPod.  iTunes is the devil.  I'm going to listen to
that FS Cast on iTunes and JAWS 12, but if anyone has any ideas on why my
audio book is not transferring over to the device, I sure would be
appreciative.  Also, any alternatives to iTunes that work well with JAWS
would be great.  Other than providing a quicker way to downloading and
installing apps, I think it's a headache!

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:56:45 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows 7 navigation
Message-ID:
    <AANLkTikL7qRW+gYHyONYaQOE8kZ4hJpAD9QOWiJjh+KJ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Ashley, I don't know anything about the Windows 7. I use it, but I
don't have any of the problems you've had. I have noticed though, on
some Websites that enter alone won't let you get a link to come up. I
have to hit shift and enter together for the link to come up. I don't
know if that's how you'd do it in Windows 7, but some Websites are
like that. Blessings, Joshua

On 2/6/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As I said before I am used to windows xp.  Going to windows 7 and its layout
> is worse than the microsoft ribbons.  I find jaws gets stuck in the ribbons
> sometimes and you can?t go backward to the last option.
>
> The layout is weird.  How do you best navigate it?  For instance in the
> documents, there are two lists where as before it was one list and you could
> arrow up and down.  How do you get to the other part of the screen?  Jaws
> keeps saying tree view.  When I enter on the folder, it opens the folder,
> but all options/files are displayed in the other part of the screen.  Its
> confusing.
> Is tab the best option? I pressed right arrow to open the ?tree view? which
> is the way things opened before.  I  still did not see the options for that
> folder.  When you down arrow through the list, jaws says ?level 2 something?
> and Level 3 something? etc.
>
> Also after creating a subfolder in documents, how do you save to it?  I went
> to save in the file, shift tabbed back to the name of the folder, and
> pressed enter.  Enter is equivalent to clicking it.  This doesn?t work.  A
> family member told me the folder name was not highlighted so that is why it
> didn?t work.
> You have to highlight it for it to recognize the folder. Thing is you don?t
> know if its highlighted.  In past microsoft versions if you were on a
> folder, it was highlighted.  You just listened to jaws to tell you where you
> were.  I could down arrow then up arrow to highlight it I suppose.
> I found the last windows easier.
> Ashley
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:58:55 -0500
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Discussion list for NABS,    National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
    <nabs at acb.org>,     "'National Association of Blind Students mailing
    list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Never Mind on Audio Book Question
Message-ID: <E585C2CEB192415AA47144610DF12729 at Rufus>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

I figured it out.  If you're using JAWS:

1. Use F6 to go to Sources.  Arrow down to your device.

2. Tab until you get to a series of check boxes.  Tick the Books box.

3. Tab again until you get to Sync Books.  From this point forward you'll
see options to sync all books or just certain books.  Mine is now apparently
working.

Anyway, I Googled up and down, but it's a little harder to find screen
reader instructions.  Ultimately I just played around with the darn thing.

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing

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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:10:26 -0600
From: "Bill" <eventhorizon315 at frontier.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating folders
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Hi there.  Within the documents folder press the alt key and arrow to the 
new sub menu.  Arrow to the right and press the enter key.  You may need to 
press control A and press delete or the folder will be called new folder. 
Give the folder a name and then press enter.  The folders will be journaled 
in alphabetical order.  I hope this was helpful.  Bill

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Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] creating folders

> Hi all,
> What is a good way to create a new folder?  I?d like it to be in the 
> documents area.
> What order are folders read in?
>
> Ashley
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:26:26 -0500
From: Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com>
To: Nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Daniel ROmero -- Introduction
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Hey all! I'm Daniel Romero, a blind musician, music producer, and
singer from New Jersey. i am an active member in the NJABS (New Jersey
Association of Blind Students) and also heavily active in a highschool
program in NJ called LEAD.
I ment to subscribe to this list a long time ago. Also, seeing how
involved all students were in Washington last week, I thought it would
be a great idea to join the list and interact with fello students
around the country. For those who were their in Washing, at the NABS
meeting, I represented New Jersey.
So that's pretty much Daniel Romero. IF you want to know more, you
know where to contact me. Take care guys!

-- 
Daniel C Romero
Paterson New Jersey
MSN messenger/E-mail:
djdan567 at gmail.com
Aim: RadioDJ246
Skype: radiodj246
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:30:09 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Daniel ROmero -- Introduction
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Welcome, Daniel. I'm Joshua Lester. I'm from Arkansas. I'm a college
student. I joined the NFB last year. I hope you have a great time on
this list. I'm a musician, as well. You need to subscribe to the music
talk list. Just send your subscription request to
musictlk-request at nfbnet.org. Write "subscribe," in the subject line.
Send your posts to musictlk at nfbnet.org. You're good to go on that list
now. Blessings, Joshua

On 2/7/11, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all! I'm Daniel Romero, a blind musician, music producer, and
> singer from New Jersey. i am an active member in the NJABS (New Jersey
> Association of Blind Students) and also heavily active in a highschool
> program in NJ called LEAD.
> I ment to subscribe to this list a long time ago. Also, seeing how
> involved all students were in Washington last week, I thought it would
> be a great idea to join the list and interact with fello students
> around the country. For those who were their in Washing, at the NABS
> meeting, I represented New Jersey.
> So that's pretty much Daniel Romero. IF you want to know more, you
> know where to contact me. Take care guys!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel C Romero
> Paterson New Jersey
> MSN messenger/E-mail:
> djdan567 at gmail.com
> Aim: RadioDJ246
> Skype: radiodj246
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567
>
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:34:26 -0500
From: Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com>
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    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Daniel ROmero -- Introduction
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Hey josh. Thank you for that information! Greatly appreciated! I'm
going to subscribe now!

On 2/7/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Welcome, Daniel. I'm Joshua Lester. I'm from Arkansas. I'm a college
> student. I joined the NFB last year. I hope you have a great time on
> this list. I'm a musician, as well. You need to subscribe to the music
> talk list. Just send your subscription request to
> musictlk-request at nfbnet.org. Write "subscribe," in the subject line.
> Send your posts to musictlk at nfbnet.org. You're good to go on that list
> now. Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/7/11, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey all! I'm Daniel Romero, a blind musician, music producer, and
>> singer from New Jersey. i am an active member in the NJABS (New Jersey
>> Association of Blind Students) and also heavily active in a highschool
>> program in NJ called LEAD.
>> I ment to subscribe to this list a long time ago. Also, seeing how
>> involved all students were in Washington last week, I thought it would
>> be a great idea to join the list and interact with fello students
>> around the country. For those who were their in Washing, at the NABS
>> meeting, I represented New Jersey.
>> So that's pretty much Daniel Romero. IF you want to know more, you
>> know where to contact me. Take care guys!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel C Romero
>> Paterson New Jersey
>> MSN messenger/E-mail:
>> djdan567 at gmail.com
>> Aim: RadioDJ246
>> Skype: radiodj246
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/djdan567
>>
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Daniel C Romero
Paterson New Jersey

Cell Phone: 973-955-6955
Studio/Office: 973-707-6844
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