[nabs-l] Training centers

Fri Feb 11 00:23:03 UTC 2011

Oh yeah, I did a little of the job training program, but I had a hard time 
finding a place to volunteer because of my wheelchair. Why that makes a 
difference, I don't know, but I ended up volunteering at Perkin's for one 
day.

Later I took an Excel class through their online program.

I wanted to go back for the six week Office Skills program , but State 
Services wouldn't pay for me to go, so that's why I took the online course 
instead.

Jen
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Young" <jty727 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
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Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers

> Darian,
>
> Explaining further about the Carroll Center in Newton, MA there are
> many different programs.  I went 3 consecutive Summers.  I started in
> the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which focuses on daily living
> skills with different classes from 8am-3pm approximately(at least that
> was the time frame when I attended).  The second Summer I attended the
> Real World of Work Experience(RWWE) Program.  This program lasts 5 to
> 6 weeks where you spend 1 week of stuff you do in YIT and then you are
> on your own.  You have an assigned Job Coach who goes out to the site
> with you and helps you out.  You are treated as a volunteer at your
> work site, but you are paid by Carroll Center twice a week.  Come to
> think of it it was 5 weeks the YIT was 6.  The final Summer I was one
> of 5 individuals who tested out the pilot program known as Transition
> To College(TTC).  This lasts 4 weeks where you live 2 on the Carroll
> Center property and the other 2 weeks at a College living in a
> resident hall.  It was a suite style setting.  I'm not sure if they
> still do it with the same college, but when I did it we stayed at
> Boston College.  For this program they give you $15 per day(might have
> changed because like I said it was the pilot) for food.  During the
> day you attend seminars which were held in the Education building.  We
> walked like a mile between the classroom and our dorm.  The other
> program which I didn't attend was the Computting to College(CTC).  Its
> 2 weeks of classroom sessions in the Technology center on the Carroll
> Center property.  You learn much about microsoft office and all that
> fun stuff.  There is also the Adult programs which are held during the
> year and not during the Summer.
> Hope this helps answer some of your questions,
> Justin
>
> On 2/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Jen,
>> There are two programs: vocational transition where it gives you some 
>> work
>> experience and the independent living program.
>> I'm not sure which one you went to.  Anyway, I'd be interested in your
>> experience with the program; perhaps you can write off list and
>> explain what you learned.  Many nfb people criticize the O&M instructors 
>> for
>> not having high expectations.
>> I believe there are some good so called traditional O&M instructors out
>> there.
>> Unfortunately, the one I had growing up was not so progressive in her
>> attitude, but some are.
>> At Carroll, what did you do on mobility and was it helpful in teaching 
>> you
>> transferable skills, as opposed to just route travel?
>>
>> My email is bookwormahb at earthlink.net.
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jennifer Aberdeen
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:03 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>
>> Yes, the independent living Transition program.
>>
>> Jen
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>
>>
>>> Jennifer,
>>> When I was in the youth in transition program a girl name Jen and Heath
>>> had a mock wedding. I
>>> don't think it was you though.  Which adult program were you at? The
>>> independence one? I only attended the YIT program in the summer in 2001 
>>> I
>>> think.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jennifer Aberdeen
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:14 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>
>>> I had a mock wedding while I was there also. It wasn't my idea, but
>>> looking
>>> back now, I think it was rather funny.
>>>
>>> Jen
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>
>>>
>>>> George,
>>>> There may be more to the story.  When I was in Carroll's youth program,
>>>> opposite gender students could not visit your room, but they were free 
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> hang out together.  A guy got pretty close to me.  I can't remember
>>>> whether he kissed me or not. Anyway, no one got in trouble for liking
>>>> each other.
>>>> In fact there was a mock wedding and divorce between a couple.
>>>> I didn't find the attitudes or treatment there indicative of low
>>>> expectations.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jorge Paez
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:56 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>>
>>>> Brian:
>>>> You can't let centers do that to you.
>>>>
>>>> Its like you're not human.
>>>>
>>>> I mean--I've heard of centers with low expectations, but this low!!!!?
>>>>
>>>> And you still call it good?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Brian Hatgelakas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only complaint I have about the center I went to that was non NFB
>>>>> was that I was yelled at and given a 15 minute lecture about my 
>>>>> sighted
>>>>> girl friend who I met in college.  She came to visit me one weekend 
>>>>> and
>>>>> right when I ran into her in the lobby I gave her a great big hug and
>>>>> kiss. The weekend we had was lots of fun but that Monday morning I was
>>>>> pulled into my home management's instructor's office and I was yelled 
>>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>> and grilled for 15 minutes for kissing and hugging her.  Meanwhile I
>>>>> hadn't scene her in a month!  I'm sure if this would've been an NFB
>>>>> center people wouldn't have raised hell about that tiny issue!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman"
>>>>> <nabs.president at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>
>>>>> Humberto, yes, people who are born blind are just as welcome at NFB
>>>>> centers as people who just went blind. I think when I was at LCB, it
>>>>> was about half and half, or maybe even more people who grew up blind
>>>>> than people who are newly blind. Some students also attend who have
>>>>> been "legally blind" for most or all of their lives, but who are
>>>>> recently losing more vision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian: It's sad, but also funny to hear about other centers
>>>>> discouraging students from dating, because to my knowledge dating
>>>>> between students at NFB centers is actually quite common, and not
>>>>> discouraged (sometimes teasingly encouraged by staff who like to play
>>>>> "matchmaker"). I believe that several blind married couples who are
>>>>> active in the NFB first met at training centers (Dr. Maurer and Mrs.
>>>>> Maurer met at the Iowa training center, the one that the three NFB
>>>>> centers are modeled after). That said, there is certainly no
>>>>> expectation to get romantically involved with a fellow center student
>>>>> and many students intentionally avoid it because the time at the
>>>>> center is relatively short, or because they don't want to be
>>>>> distracted during their training by such things. Either way is
>>>>> perfectly acceptable, in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/9/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you know, there is no magical number of days you must stay at a
>>>>>> training center in order to emerge as an "enlightened" blind person.
>>>>>> Nor is the center itself magical, or absolutely necessary for 
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> to achieve their optimal amount of self-sufficiency and integration 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the world. If you attend a center (NFB or not), you will hopefully
>>>>>> gain skills you can combine with your prior skills so you have as 
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> "tools in your toolbox" as possible. Having attended the Louisiana
>>>>>> Center for the Blind, and knowing many people who have gone to the
>>>>>> other two NFB centers, I believe that our centers are unique, and
>>>>>> anybody can gain something from attending one of them at least for a
>>>>>> short time, whether you "need" it or not. However, I also don't think
>>>>>> attending a center is essential for success. Unfortunately, center
>>>>>> training often must serve to fill in the gaps in one's childhood
>>>>>> blindness skills training, so if you already have a solid foundation
>>>>>> in Braille, Computers, cane travel, and home management and feel
>>>>>> appropriately confident in your skills in all four of these areas,
>>>>>> then going to a center may not be as important to you as other goals,
>>>>>> like college attendance. However, if you feel deficient in one or 
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> of these skills or feel your independence is limited because of these
>>>>>> issues, then a center is an excellent way to fill in that knowledge
>>>>>> gap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In answer to a couple questions that were raised, at least in
>>>>>> Louisiana, the evenings and weekends are, for the most part, your
>>>>>> time. There are occasional trips like rafting and rock climbing, and
>>>>>> sometimes optional weekend activities, but the rest of the free time
>>>>>> is yours. I know at LCB many students attended local churches and 
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> exercised at the local fitness center. You are more than welcome to
>>>>>> sign up for community activities, as long as they don't take up time
>>>>>> during the week (Monday-Friday from 8:00-5:00, or 8:00-4:30 for CCB;
>>>>>> I'm not sure about BLIND, Inc.'s exact schedule).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As someone mentioned, contrary to some people's stereotypes about NFB
>>>>>> centers, they really do make an effort to treat every student as an
>>>>>> individual. There are graduation requirements, but if you are
>>>>>> struggling to meet them, the teachers will work with you to develop a
>>>>>> plan so that you can graduate and be challenged without being
>>>>>> overwhelmed. When I was at LCB I saw lots of students with a great
>>>>>> range of prior skills and some who had additional disabilities and I
>>>>>> thought that for the most part, the staff did an exceptionally good
>>>>>> job of adjusting to each person's specific needs and abilities. And,
>>>>>> you can negotiate the length of your stay. If you stay for less than
>>>>>> six months you might not officially graduate or get a "freedom bell"
>>>>>> but if you say you only can attend for a few months because of 
>>>>>> school,
>>>>>> work or other reasons, they're not going to turn you away. I think 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> more time, the better, but even a one-month stay is better than none
>>>>>> at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a lot of things that make NFB centers stand out but I think
>>>>>> the high expectations and belief the instructors have in their
>>>>>> students is the most important. A few of the instructors are sighted,
>>>>>> but I was struck by the difference in basic approach between the
>>>>>> sighted teachers at LCB and the other sighted instructors I had
>>>>>> growing up. It was clear that the teachers all believed in and
>>>>>> respected the students' capacity to learn and become independent in
>>>>>> completing the assignments. They were both patient and firm,
>>>>>> challenging us to go beyond what we thought we could do while also
>>>>>> being willing to invest the time and attention we needed to learn the
>>>>>> skills correctly. Even with little things, like having us
>>>>>> independently find the pots we needed for cooking or the tools we
>>>>>> needed for woodshop, they conveyed that they expected us to employ
>>>>>> alternative techniques in every step of the process. It was also 
>>>>>> clear
>>>>>> to me that it wasn't just a "day job" for the staff. They really care
>>>>>> about the students and their progress even after graduation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main reason I decided to attend the center was because of travel.
>>>>>> Like many of us I grew up with very traditional travel/O&M 
>>>>>> instruction
>>>>>> where I learned that I could only go to places if I had memorized the
>>>>>> route first. My parents were also very protective and I lived in a
>>>>>> suburban neighborhood so I had few opportunities to walk around on my
>>>>>> own or deal with busy streets, shopping centers, etc. without a
>>>>>> sighted guide. In college when I did get to travel on my own, I
>>>>>> frequently got lost, and I had learned from my traditional travel
>>>>>> instruction that getting lost was a "messup" or a failure. So, I 
>>>>>> hated
>>>>>> getting lost. I also wasn't very good at identifying when I was going
>>>>>> the wrong way because I had never really been taught to pay much
>>>>>> attention to environmental cues. And, I was afraid of most
>>>>>> intersections. It would literally take me fifteen minutes to cross a
>>>>>> lighted intersection that didn't have an audible signal because I
>>>>>> couldn't reliably tell the difference between parallel and
>>>>>> perpendicular traffic. I knew when not to cross, but couldn't tell
>>>>>> when it was safe to cross until it was too late. At LCB we spent time
>>>>>> working on these issues. I also spent many days going out finding
>>>>>> addresses, often to places I had never been before. My instructor
>>>>>> would tell me the address of the business, so I knew what block it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> on, but of course I didn't know the set route to get to the place. I
>>>>>> really had to pay attention to where I was going using cardinal
>>>>>> directions and carefully tuning in to traffic sounds. We also worked
>>>>>> on parking lots. When I was growing up I was taught to never ever 
>>>>>> walk
>>>>>> in a parking lot. I was taught routes to get to places where I had to
>>>>>> go around the block or cross over gravel to get to the entrance of a
>>>>>> business without using the parking lot. At LCB I regularly had to
>>>>>> traverse parking lots, sometimes big ones, and I learned that there
>>>>>> was nothing to be so worried about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I attended the center for just under seven months, graduating in
>>>>>> August 2008. I will not say that today I am a great traveler, or even
>>>>>> an above-average cane traveler. I still get turned around a fair
>>>>>> amount (actually did today). But, since leaving the center, I don't
>>>>>> get nearly as frustrated when I do get lost or turned around. More
>>>>>> importantly, I can recognize when I am turned around much more
>>>>>> quickly, and correct it much more accurately, than I did before
>>>>>> training. I can reliably detect parallel and turning traffic at
>>>>>> intersections and I can cross uncontrolled intersections (no light or
>>>>>> stop sign) like the one by my house without problems (something else 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was told to avoid as a child). And, I cut across the driveway for my
>>>>>> condominium complex or the big parking lot by my grocery store 
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> a second thought. Had I stuck with my traditional training, I think I
>>>>>> would have had artificial limits on where I could live, and my
>>>>>> mobility on the bus would have been limited by my inability to cross
>>>>>> streets or negotiate parking lots. I find it unlikely that I would
>>>>>> have gained this confidence and safety in cane travel at a non-NFB
>>>>>> training center, because I think the reason these benefits stay with
>>>>>> me today is because the NFB center assignments are so rigorous and I
>>>>>> spent so much time practicing these basic skills, both with
>>>>>> instructors and by myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course this is just one person's story, and everyone has a
>>>>>> different story to bring to the table. I do think all of us can
>>>>>> experience heightened confidence and skills by attending an NFB 
>>>>>> center
>>>>>> for any length of time, but of course, there are trade-offs in life
>>>>>> between center training and other priorities. I do think, as Joe
>>>>>> alluded, that it would be great if we can figure out how to bring
>>>>>> NFB-style training to the one-on-one/home setting so blind people can
>>>>>> receive this quality of instruction without having to leave their
>>>>>> homes or their communities for several months. Until that happens,
>>>>>> though, the NFB centers all have an excellent track record for 
>>>>>> turning
>>>>>> out competent, self-reliant graduates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/9/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>>> Would you really need to attend a training center? I do not know you
>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>> but having met you a time or two I am not really sure if you need to
>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>> a training center. However, if you do attend I would encourage you 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> involved in the community and find sighted friends and do not fall
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> common blind bubbel of only socializing with other blind people. 
>>>>>>> Like
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> said there is nothing wrong with that, but like you most of my 
>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> also sighted and I believe that we live in a sight world and will 
>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> sighted world it is important that blind people get out of their
>>>>>>> comfert
>>>>>>> zone and participate in activities that sighted people do. Just my 
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>> Anmol
>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 2:37 PM
>>>>>>>> Dear Beth, Tara and all,
>>>>>>>> Is it hard to get involved with the community
>>>>>>>> outside the center?
>>>>>>>> Let me clarify the question, as it maybe doesn't make
>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>> I know a lot of blind people (and please keep in
>>>>>>>> mind I'm not
>>>>>>>> calling anyone out or judging), who graduated from the
>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>> centers and now spend their lives mostly with other blind
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with that, it's just not for
>>>>>>>> me. I'm probably
>>>>>>>> not going to marry a blind person or seriously date a
>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>> person...simply because most of my friends aren't
>>>>>>>> blind. So, with
>>>>>>>> that in mind, I'm going to want to find ways to get
>>>>>>>> involved in the
>>>>>>>> community at large, at whichever center I decide is right
>>>>>>>> for me.
>>>>>>>> So...do you think I'll be discouraged or austricized if I
>>>>>>>> choose to
>>>>>>>> spend lots of my free time with church groups, volunteer
>>>>>>>> programs,
>>>>>>>> other friends I might find outside the center, etc?
>>>>>>>> Because I think
>>>>>>>> the worst thing that could happen to me is to get caught in
>>>>>>>> a "blind
>>>>>>>> bubble" where I learn all the skills I need, hang out with
>>>>>>>> center
>>>>>>>> people all the time, and miss out on whatever other
>>>>>>>> opportunities I
>>>>>>>> might find living away from home for such a long
>>>>>>>> time. Don't get me
>>>>>>>> wrong, I hope to make friends at the center and have a
>>>>>>>> great time.
>>>>>>>> But I don't want that to be my whole life while I'm out on
>>>>>>>> my own like
>>>>>>>> this. Thoughts, anyone?
>>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/9/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Training centers are a good way for blind people to
>>>>>>>> learn the
>>>>>>>> > skills, but the CCB staff being blind makes it
>>>>>>>> easier. Tara, I
>>>>>>>> > agree with you on all points. At a center in
>>>>>>>> Daytona Beach,
>>>>>>>> > Florida, there were nurses, old creeps,, and lots of
>>>>>>>> rules such
>>>>>>>> > as the lights out rule. Sexes were separated by
>>>>>>>> wing, and there
>>>>>>>> > was no question about dating. At CCB, blind
>>>>>>>> people are treated
>>>>>>>> > like people.
>>>>>>>> > Beth
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> > From: Tara Annis <TAnnis at afb.net
>>>>>>>> > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> > Date sent: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:38:09 -0500
>>>>>>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I attended the Colorado Center program between
>>>>>>>> semesters at
>>>>>>>> > college. I attended the school for the
>>>>>>>> blind and also took
>>>>>>>> > some classes at a local association of the blind, so
>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>> > to provide some insight.
>>>>>>>> > I do agree that blind people can be successful and
>>>>>>>> have above
>>>>>>>> > average skills, even though they do not go to
>>>>>>>> the NFB center,
>>>>>>>> > but this is really rare from my observations.
>>>>>>>> > Before I went to CCB, I did not know that blind people
>>>>>>>> could walk
>>>>>>>> > long distances using a cane, as in m five or ten
>>>>>>>> miles. I
>>>>>>>> > thought people could only walk routes that the O&M
>>>>>>>> instructor had
>>>>>>>> > taught them, and the route would be a mile or
>>>>>>>> less. I thought
>>>>>>>> > blind people needed sighted guide for any
>>>>>>>> new place they
>>>>>>>> > visited, and couldn't use the cane to follow someone.
>>>>>>>> > I didn't know that blind people could use a charcoal
>>>>>>>> grill.
>>>>>>>> > Some observations:
>>>>>>>> > 1. There were no nurses at CCB that had control of the
>>>>>>>> medication
>>>>>>>> > you took. If you are supposed to be living in
>>>>>>>> the real world,
>>>>>>>> > why have someone keep track of your meds?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 2. There were no lights out at CCB. As long as
>>>>>>>> you showed up to
>>>>>>>> > class on time, who cares what you do at night, as long
>>>>>>>> as you
>>>>>>>> > aren't breaking the law. You're adults, so you
>>>>>>>> should be treated
>>>>>>>> > like them.
>>>>>>>> > Go to bed when you feel like it.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 3. There was no hassle at CCB when you wanted to go
>>>>>>>> for lunch.
>>>>>>>> > You just walked out the door. You didn't
>>>>>>>> need to make sure
>>>>>>>> > people had a sighted guide before beginning. You
>>>>>>>> didn't need to
>>>>>>>> > have a sighted person to come along to help out.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 4. Instructors were blind at CCB, and not ashamed of
>>>>>>>> it. At other
>>>>>>>> > training centers, the instructors would never be
>>>>>>>> caught using a
>>>>>>>> > cane or reading braille. Sighted people wore
>>>>>>>> dark glasses when
>>>>>>>> > traveling with blind people, so the public couldn't
>>>>>>>> look into
>>>>>>>> > their eyes. They did not like being stared
>>>>>>>> at by the public.
>>>>>>>> > Yet, they never told blind people this fact.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 5. Colorado staff did not hide the fact that the
>>>>>>>> public can
>>>>>>>> > sometimes be cruel, and many do not understand
>>>>>>>> blindness. I have
>>>>>>>> > witnessed at other centers staff outright lying
>>>>>>>> to blind people
>>>>>>>> > telling them that no one can tell they are blind and
>>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>>> > don't need a cane, since they get around so
>>>>>>>> well. Yet, the
>>>>>>>> > people they tell this to have disfigured eyes, and run
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> > obstacles. The instructors do not want the blind
>>>>>>>> person to feel
>>>>>>>> > bad so that is why they make up these lies.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 6. I hate how at other centers they always assume a
>>>>>>>> blind person
>>>>>>>> > has low self esteem, and needs counseling.
>>>>>>>> > CCB knew that some of their students are at an
>>>>>>>> intermediate
>>>>>>>> > level, already past the adjustment phase of blidnness,
>>>>>>>> and just
>>>>>>>> > came to CCB for advanced skills training.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>>>>>> Email:
>>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>>> Website:
>>>>>> www.nabslink.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>>>>> Email:
>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>> Website:
>>>>> www.nabslink.org
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