[nabs-l] Training centers

Fri Feb 11 00:11:49 UTC 2011

Hi Darian,

The Carrol Center is located in Newton, MA. It's right outside of Boston. 
The building is an old tuitor style mansion; it has a dormatory type 
setting.

Anyway, my original program was twelve weeks, but I got an eight week 
extention because of my particular situation. There were your usual classes: 
O & M, independent living skills, communications Skills and wood shop.

Mobility was interesting because I was trying to learn how to travel safely 
in a power wheelchair. We worked on it for months, but we finally decided 
there was no way I could do it safely without sighted assistance. I kept 
driving the dumb thing off the sidewalk. I did much better with my manual 
wheelchair. I did learn very quickly though. My instructor told me I have 
really good orientation skills.

I didn't really like Woodshop. There was a lot of measuring involved and I 
always had a hard time with that when I had sight, so it wasn't any 
different being blind. I did end up making a bed for my cat though.

I was really good in communications skills. I've always been good with 
technology though, so I wasn't surprised. My instructor recommended the 
Stream and Braille Note, and state services did get those for me.

Independent living skills was a bit challanging for me, but I did learn 
quite a bit. Cooking was a challange, but I think I got the basics down 
anyway. I never plan on being a gourmet shef, so I'm satisfied with what I 
did learn.

Then there was fencing, which I hated at first, but after I got really good 
at it and really enjoyed beating all the guys, lol.

The best part was after classes though where I could just hang out with the 
other students and stuff. I did make quite a few friends there, although 
most of them I've lost contact with now, but there are still two or three 
people I still talk to over the phone.

I was really sad when my time there came to an end, but I have been back to 
visit and most of my instructors are on my facebook friend's list.

Jen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers

> Hello Ladies,
>  would one of you mind explaining a littel  more   about Carroll?
> I've nevver heard of it and would  appreciate the education. off list
> or on list is fine; I imagineI'm probably not the only kid in the
> classroom  with the question, rather  the  only one raising their hand
> *smile*.
>  Darian
>
>
> On 2/10/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Jennifer,
>> When I was in the youth in transition program a girl name Jen and Heath 
>> had
>> a mock wedding. I
>> don't think it was you though.  Which adult program were you at? The
>> independence one? I only attended the YIT program in the summer in 2001 I
>> think.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jennifer Aberdeen
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:14 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>
>> I had a mock wedding while I was there also. It wasn't my idea, but 
>> looking
>> back now, I think it was rather funny.
>>
>> Jen
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>
>>
>>> George,
>>> There may be more to the story.  When I was in Carroll's youth program,
>>> opposite gender students could not visit your room, but they were free 
>>> to
>>> hang out together.  A guy got pretty close to me.  I can't remember
>>> whether he kissed me or not. Anyway, no one got in trouble for liking 
>>> each
>>>
>>> other.
>>> In fact there was a mock wedding and divorce between a couple.
>>> I didn't find the attitudes or treatment there indicative of low
>>> expectations.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jorge Paez
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:56 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>
>>> Brian:
>>> You can't let centers do that to you.
>>>
>>> Its like you're not human.
>>>
>>> I mean--I've heard of centers with low expectations, but this low!!!!?
>>>
>>> And you still call it good?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Brian Hatgelakas wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only complaint I have about the center I went to that was non NFB 
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>> that I was yelled at and given a 15 minute lecture about my sighted 
>>>> girl
>>>> friend who I met in college.  She came to visit me one weekend and 
>>>> right
>>>> when I ran into her in the lobby I gave her a great big hug and kiss. 
>>>> The
>>>>
>>>> weekend we had was lots of fun but that Monday morning I was pulled 
>>>> into
>>>> my home management's instructor's office and I was yelled at and 
>>>> grilled
>>>> for 15 minutes for kissing and hugging her.  Meanwhile I hadn't scene 
>>>> her
>>>>
>>>> in a month!  I'm sure if this would've been an NFB center people 
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>
>>>> have raised hell about that tiny issue!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman"
>>>> <nabs.president at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi again,
>>>>
>>>> Humberto, yes, people who are born blind are just as welcome at NFB
>>>> centers as people who just went blind. I think when I was at LCB, it
>>>> was about half and half, or maybe even more people who grew up blind
>>>> than people who are newly blind. Some students also attend who have
>>>> been "legally blind" for most or all of their lives, but who are
>>>> recently losing more vision.
>>>>
>>>> Brian: It's sad, but also funny to hear about other centers
>>>> discouraging students from dating, because to my knowledge dating
>>>> between students at NFB centers is actually quite common, and not
>>>> discouraged (sometimes teasingly encouraged by staff who like to play
>>>> "matchmaker"). I believe that several blind married couples who are
>>>> active in the NFB first met at training centers (Dr. Maurer and Mrs.
>>>> Maurer met at the Iowa training center, the one that the three NFB
>>>> centers are modeled after). That said, there is certainly no
>>>> expectation to get romantically involved with a fellow center student
>>>> and many students intentionally avoid it because the time at the
>>>> center is relatively short, or because they don't want to be
>>>> distracted during their training by such things. Either way is
>>>> perfectly acceptable, in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 2/9/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know, there is no magical number of days you must stay at a
>>>>> training center in order to emerge as an "enlightened" blind person.
>>>>> Nor is the center itself magical, or absolutely necessary for everyone
>>>>> to achieve their optimal amount of self-sufficiency and integration in
>>>>> the world. If you attend a center (NFB or not), you will hopefully
>>>>> gain skills you can combine with your prior skills so you have as many
>>>>> "tools in your toolbox" as possible. Having attended the Louisiana
>>>>> Center for the Blind, and knowing many people who have gone to the
>>>>> other two NFB centers, I believe that our centers are unique, and
>>>>> anybody can gain something from attending one of them at least for a
>>>>> short time, whether you "need" it or not. However, I also don't think
>>>>> attending a center is essential for success. Unfortunately, center
>>>>> training often must serve to fill in the gaps in one's childhood
>>>>> blindness skills training, so if you already have a solid foundation
>>>>> in Braille, Computers, cane travel, and home management and feel
>>>>> appropriately confident in your skills in all four of these areas,
>>>>> then going to a center may not be as important to you as other goals,
>>>>> like college attendance. However, if you feel deficient in one or more
>>>>> of these skills or feel your independence is limited because of these
>>>>> issues, then a center is an excellent way to fill in that knowledge
>>>>> gap.
>>>>>
>>>>> In answer to a couple questions that were raised, at least in
>>>>> Louisiana, the evenings and weekends are, for the most part, your
>>>>> time. There are occasional trips like rafting and rock climbing, and
>>>>> sometimes optional weekend activities, but the rest of the free time
>>>>> is yours. I know at LCB many students attended local churches and some
>>>>> exercised at the local fitness center. You are more than welcome to
>>>>> sign up for community activities, as long as they don't take up time
>>>>> during the week (Monday-Friday from 8:00-5:00, or 8:00-4:30 for CCB;
>>>>> I'm not sure about BLIND, Inc.'s exact schedule).
>>>>>
>>>>> As someone mentioned, contrary to some people's stereotypes about NFB
>>>>> centers, they really do make an effort to treat every student as an
>>>>> individual. There are graduation requirements, but if you are
>>>>> struggling to meet them, the teachers will work with you to develop a
>>>>> plan so that you can graduate and be challenged without being
>>>>> overwhelmed. When I was at LCB I saw lots of students with a great
>>>>> range of prior skills and some who had additional disabilities and I
>>>>> thought that for the most part, the staff did an exceptionally good
>>>>> job of adjusting to each person's specific needs and abilities. And,
>>>>> you can negotiate the length of your stay. If you stay for less than
>>>>> six months you might not officially graduate or get a "freedom bell"
>>>>> but if you say you only can attend for a few months because of school,
>>>>> work or other reasons, they're not going to turn you away. I think the
>>>>> more time, the better, but even a one-month stay is better than none
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a lot of things that make NFB centers stand out but I think
>>>>> the high expectations and belief the instructors have in their
>>>>> students is the most important. A few of the instructors are sighted,
>>>>> but I was struck by the difference in basic approach between the
>>>>> sighted teachers at LCB and the other sighted instructors I had
>>>>> growing up. It was clear that the teachers all believed in and
>>>>> respected the students' capacity to learn and become independent in
>>>>> completing the assignments. They were both patient and firm,
>>>>> challenging us to go beyond what we thought we could do while also
>>>>> being willing to invest the time and attention we needed to learn the
>>>>> skills correctly. Even with little things, like having us
>>>>> independently find the pots we needed for cooking or the tools we
>>>>> needed for woodshop, they conveyed that they expected us to employ
>>>>> alternative techniques in every step of the process. It was also clear
>>>>> to me that it wasn't just a "day job" for the staff. They really care
>>>>> about the students and their progress even after graduation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I decided to attend the center was because of travel.
>>>>> Like many of us I grew up with very traditional travel/O&M instruction
>>>>> where I learned that I could only go to places if I had memorized the
>>>>> route first. My parents were also very protective and I lived in a
>>>>> suburban neighborhood so I had few opportunities to walk around on my
>>>>> own or deal with busy streets, shopping centers, etc. without a
>>>>> sighted guide. In college when I did get to travel on my own, I
>>>>> frequently got lost, and I had learned from my traditional travel
>>>>> instruction that getting lost was a "messup" or a failure. So, I hated
>>>>> getting lost. I also wasn't very good at identifying when I was going
>>>>> the wrong way because I had never really been taught to pay much
>>>>> attention to environmental cues. And, I was afraid of most
>>>>> intersections. It would literally take me fifteen minutes to cross a
>>>>> lighted intersection that didn't have an audible signal because I
>>>>> couldn't reliably tell the difference between parallel and
>>>>> perpendicular traffic. I knew when not to cross, but couldn't tell
>>>>> when it was safe to cross until it was too late. At LCB we spent time
>>>>> working on these issues. I also spent many days going out finding
>>>>> addresses, often to places I had never been before. My instructor
>>>>> would tell me the address of the business, so I knew what block it was
>>>>> on, but of course I didn't know the set route to get to the place. I
>>>>> really had to pay attention to where I was going using cardinal
>>>>> directions and carefully tuning in to traffic sounds. We also worked
>>>>> on parking lots. When I was growing up I was taught to never ever walk
>>>>> in a parking lot. I was taught routes to get to places where I had to
>>>>> go around the block or cross over gravel to get to the entrance of a
>>>>> business without using the parking lot. At LCB I regularly had to
>>>>> traverse parking lots, sometimes big ones, and I learned that there
>>>>> was nothing to be so worried about.
>>>>>
>>>>> I attended the center for just under seven months, graduating in
>>>>> August 2008. I will not say that today I am a great traveler, or even
>>>>> an above-average cane traveler. I still get turned around a fair
>>>>> amount (actually did today). But, since leaving the center, I don't
>>>>> get nearly as frustrated when I do get lost or turned around. More
>>>>> importantly, I can recognize when I am turned around much more
>>>>> quickly, and correct it much more accurately, than I did before
>>>>> training. I can reliably detect parallel and turning traffic at
>>>>> intersections and I can cross uncontrolled intersections (no light or
>>>>> stop sign) like the one by my house without problems (something else I
>>>>> was told to avoid as a child). And, I cut across the driveway for my
>>>>> condominium complex or the big parking lot by my grocery store without
>>>>> a second thought. Had I stuck with my traditional training, I think I
>>>>> would have had artificial limits on where I could live, and my
>>>>> mobility on the bus would have been limited by my inability to cross
>>>>> streets or negotiate parking lots. I find it unlikely that I would
>>>>> have gained this confidence and safety in cane travel at a non-NFB
>>>>> training center, because I think the reason these benefits stay with
>>>>> me today is because the NFB center assignments are so rigorous and I
>>>>> spent so much time practicing these basic skills, both with
>>>>> instructors and by myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course this is just one person's story, and everyone has a
>>>>> different story to bring to the table. I do think all of us can
>>>>> experience heightened confidence and skills by attending an NFB center
>>>>> for any length of time, but of course, there are trade-offs in life
>>>>> between center training and other priorities. I do think, as Joe
>>>>> alluded, that it would be great if we can figure out how to bring
>>>>> NFB-style training to the one-on-one/home setting so blind people can
>>>>> receive this quality of instruction without having to leave their
>>>>> homes or their communities for several months. Until that happens,
>>>>> though, the NFB centers all have an excellent track record for turning
>>>>> out competent, self-reliant graduates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/9/11, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Kirt,
>>>>>> Would you really need to attend a training center? I do not know you
>>>>>> well,
>>>>>> but having met you a time or two I am not really sure if you need to
>>>>>> attend
>>>>>> a training center. However, if you do attend I would encourage you to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> involved in the community and find sighted friends and do not fall 
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> common blind bubbel of only socializing with other blind people. Like
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> said there is nothing wrong with that, but like you most of my 
>>>>>> friends
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> also sighted and I believe that we live in a sight world and will 
>>>>>> live
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> sighted world it is important that blind people get out of their
>>>>>> comfert
>>>>>> zone and participate in activities that sighted people do. Just my 
>>>>>> two
>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>> Anmol
>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 2:37 PM
>>>>>>> Dear Beth, Tara and all,
>>>>>>> Is it hard to get involved with the community
>>>>>>> outside the center?
>>>>>>> Let me clarify the question, as it maybe doesn't make
>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>> I know a lot of blind people (and please keep in
>>>>>>> mind I'm not
>>>>>>> calling anyone out or judging), who graduated from the
>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>> centers and now spend their lives mostly with other blind
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with that, it's just not for
>>>>>>> me. I'm probably
>>>>>>> not going to marry a blind person or seriously date a
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> person...simply because most of my friends aren't
>>>>>>> blind. So, with
>>>>>>> that in mind, I'm going to want to find ways to get
>>>>>>> involved in the
>>>>>>> community at large, at whichever center I decide is right
>>>>>>> for me.
>>>>>>> So...do you think I'll be discouraged or austricized if I
>>>>>>> choose to
>>>>>>> spend lots of my free time with church groups, volunteer
>>>>>>> programs,
>>>>>>> other friends I might find outside the center, etc?
>>>>>>> Because I think
>>>>>>> the worst thing that could happen to me is to get caught in
>>>>>>> a "blind
>>>>>>> bubble" where I learn all the skills I need, hang out with
>>>>>>> center
>>>>>>> people all the time, and miss out on whatever other
>>>>>>> opportunities I
>>>>>>> might find living away from home for such a long
>>>>>>> time. Don't get me
>>>>>>> wrong, I hope to make friends at the center and have a
>>>>>>> great time.
>>>>>>> But I don't want that to be my whole life while I'm out on
>>>>>>> my own like
>>>>>>> this. Thoughts, anyone?
>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/9/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Training centers are a good way for blind people to
>>>>>>> learn the
>>>>>>> > skills, but the CCB staff being blind makes it
>>>>>>> easier. Tara, I
>>>>>>> > agree with you on all points. At a center in
>>>>>>> Daytona Beach,
>>>>>>> > Florida, there were nurses, old creeps,, and lots of
>>>>>>> rules such
>>>>>>> > as the lights out rule. Sexes were separated by
>>>>>>> wing, and there
>>>>>>> > was no question about dating. At CCB, blind
>>>>>>> people are treated
>>>>>>> > like people.
>>>>>>> > Beth
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> > From: Tara Annis <TAnnis at afb.net
>>>>>>> > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> > Date sent: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:38:09 -0500
>>>>>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I attended the Colorado Center program between
>>>>>>> semesters at
>>>>>>> > college. I attended the school for the
>>>>>>> blind and also took
>>>>>>> > some classes at a local association of the blind, so
>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>> > to provide some insight.
>>>>>>> > I do agree that blind people can be successful and
>>>>>>> have above
>>>>>>> > average skills, even though they do not go to
>>>>>>> the NFB center,
>>>>>>> > but this is really rare from my observations.
>>>>>>> > Before I went to CCB, I did not know that blind people
>>>>>>> could walk
>>>>>>> > long distances using a cane, as in m five or ten
>>>>>>> miles. I
>>>>>>> > thought people could only walk routes that the O&M
>>>>>>> instructor had
>>>>>>> > taught them, and the route would be a mile or
>>>>>>> less. I thought
>>>>>>> > blind people needed sighted guide for any
>>>>>>> new place they
>>>>>>> > visited, and couldn't use the cane to follow someone.
>>>>>>> > I didn't know that blind people could use a charcoal
>>>>>>> grill.
>>>>>>> > Some observations:
>>>>>>> > 1. There were no nurses at CCB that had control of the
>>>>>>> medication
>>>>>>> > you took. If you are supposed to be living in
>>>>>>> the real world,
>>>>>>> > why have someone keep track of your meds?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 2. There were no lights out at CCB. As long as
>>>>>>> you showed up to
>>>>>>> > class on time, who cares what you do at night, as long
>>>>>>> as you
>>>>>>> > aren't breaking the law. You're adults, so you
>>>>>>> should be treated
>>>>>>> > like them.
>>>>>>> > Go to bed when you feel like it.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 3. There was no hassle at CCB when you wanted to go
>>>>>>> for lunch.
>>>>>>> > You just walked out the door. You didn't
>>>>>>> need to make sure
>>>>>>> > people had a sighted guide before beginning. You
>>>>>>> didn't need to
>>>>>>> > have a sighted person to come along to help out.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 4. Instructors were blind at CCB, and not ashamed of
>>>>>>> it. At other
>>>>>>> > training centers, the instructors would never be
>>>>>>> caught using a
>>>>>>> > cane or reading braille. Sighted people wore
>>>>>>> dark glasses when
>>>>>>> > traveling with blind people, so the public couldn't
>>>>>>> look into
>>>>>>> > their eyes. They did not like being stared
>>>>>>> at by the public.
>>>>>>> > Yet, they never told blind people this fact.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 5. Colorado staff did not hide the fact that the
>>>>>>> public can
>>>>>>> > sometimes be cruel, and many do not understand
>>>>>>> blindness. I have
>>>>>>> > witnessed at other centers staff outright lying
>>>>>>> to blind people
>>>>>>> > telling them that no one can tell they are blind and
>>>>>>> that they
>>>>>>> > don't need a cane, since they get around so
>>>>>>> well. Yet, the
>>>>>>> > people they tell this to have disfigured eyes, and run
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> > obstacles. The instructors do not want the blind
>>>>>>> person to feel
>>>>>>> > bad so that is why they make up these lies.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 6. I hate how at other centers they always assume a
>>>>>>> blind person
>>>>>>> > has low self esteem, and needs counseling.
>>>>>>> > CCB knew that some of their students are at an
>>>>>>> intermediate
>>>>>>> > level, already past the adjustment phase of blidnness,
>>>>>>> and just
>>>>>>> > came to CCB for advanced skills training.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>>>>> Email:
>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>> Website:
>>>>> www.nabslink.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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