[nabs-l] lions world

Sat Feb 12 06:12:32 UTC 2011

Hi Josh K.,

I'm just curious: Are you interested in attending LWSB to get training
in basic blindness skills like Braille and O&M,  or are you going
there to get a certification in desktop support/Microsoft systems
engineer? If you are going for training, then talking to LWSB alumni
about the pros and cons of the program seems wise. If you are going
just to get the certificates, then have you thought about trying to
get certified through a regular program near your home or online? I'm
not sure there's anything better about getting certified through a
blindness center than getting certified through the same kinds of
programs that sighted technicians use, and since you mentioned you
have a wife and child, this would allow you to stay home with them.
It's just a thought.
Arielle

On 2/11/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> There are people from many different states, who are sent there, by
> their DSB counselors, rehab counselors, etc. I was the only Arkansan,
> (when it came to trainees,) there. I was constantly made fun of,
> because of my ocasional, "Y'all." Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/11/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Anmol,
>> what are you studying? You live in Arkansas for school; no wonder you know
>> about the center.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anmol Bhatia
>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:58 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>
>> Actually Jerry Leach is not there any more. He is actually doing his PH.D
>> at
>> the same university as me (University of Arkansas).
>> Anmol
>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 2/11/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:05 PM
>>> Their Website is, www.lwsb.org.
>>> Harold Williams, and Jerry Leach are
>>> the counselors. They're great people, and I appreciate
>>> them. They're
>>> more than just counselors, if you have a problem, they're
>>> there to
>>> help. If something's going wrong, (the man smoking in his
>>> room, while
>>> I'm in there,) (for example,) the counselors are the ones
>>> to reprimand
>>> the offender.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/11/11, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I think that's a good think for those who have psyke
>>> issues. What's their
>>> > websight? RJ
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list"
>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:48 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> You don't have to attend after the first week. I
>>> didn't go to them
>>> >> after the first week. Whoever your advisor was,
>>> the other one was your
>>> >> "Assertiveness Training"  counselor. The
>>> turning over of meds must
>>> >> have stopped when Anmol went. I think he attended
>>> a year or so after I
>>> >> did. That's when they got a new administrator.
>>> Ramona was crazy! They
>>> >> do have good O and M instructors, though. I liked
>>> the one I had. I
>>> >> just didn't care for the not-so-needed Braille
>>> class. I hated the dorm
>>> >> rooms. It was mid-fall, and they always had it so
>>> hot in the rooms, I
>>> >> couldn't stand it. It was 100 degrees, and the
>>> only places with air
>>> >> conditioning were the cafeterea, the salarium, and
>>> the breizway. I
>>> >> think the classrooms were hot to. They also, (in
>>> my list of
>>> >> improvements,) need to tune that stinking piano in
>>> the salarium! I bet
>>> >> it's still out of tune! Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2/11/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> Anmol,
>>> >>> When did you go there? Perhaps the discrepancy
>>> in policy and people's
>>> >>> experiences has to do with the leadership
>>> there.
>>> >>> Joshua Lester said everyone had to turn over
>>> meds to a nurse.  You said
>>> >>> its
>>> >>> optional.
>>> >>> Some centers have a rule where you have to be
>>> cleared by an O&M staff
>>> >>> person. Is this
>>> >>> the case at LWSB before you can go off
>>> campus?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Also acording to the LWSB website, they still
>>> have a psychologist and
>>> >>> psychiatrist on staff.
>>> >>> Is that the case? If so, do you have to take
>>> the counseling class,
>>> >>> assertive
>>> >>> training I think they call it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks.
>>> >>> Ashley
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Anmol Bhatia
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:34 PM
>>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students
>>> mailing list
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Josh most of the people who attend LWSB are
>>> adults and are treated as
>>> >>> such.
>>> >>> There is good and bad to every training
>>> centers even the ones run by NFB.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> O!
>>> >>> and I forgot to address one more point that of
>>> taking one's meds. The
>>> >>> trainies have the option to give their meds to
>>> a nerse but are not
>>> >>> required
>>> >>> to do so. However, coming to take the meds is
>>> totally the trainy's
>>> >>> responsibility. The nerse will not come and
>>> find you to remind you to
>>> >>> take
>>> >>> your medison.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anmol
>>> >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
>>> never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> >>> there is just a touch of yearning at times;
>>> but it is vague, like a
>>> >>> breeze
>>> >>> among flowers.
>>> >>> Hellen Keller
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --- On Fri, 2/11/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind
>>> Students mailing list"
>>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:19 PM
>>> >>>> Exactly! The majority of the trainees
>>> >>>> are 5 or more years past
>>> >>>> "fresh-out-of-high-school" age. I was the
>>> only 18-year-old
>>> >>>> there.
>>> >>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 2/11/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> > They should get with the 21st century
>>> this isn't the
>>> >>>> 40's anymore.  Or if it
>>> >>>> > is why am I born and what am I doing
>>> out hear on this
>>> >>>> internet thingie?
>>> >>>> > LOL! just kidding!
>>> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> >>>> > To: "National Association of Blind
>>> Students mailing
>>> >>>> list"
>>> >>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 7:07
>>> PM
>>> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >>I don't know, but they've done
>>> this since their
>>> >>>> founding in 1946.
>>> >>>> >> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> On 2/11/11, Brian Hatgelakas
>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>> Why did Lyons World have a
>>> curfew and make
>>> >>>> everyone relinquish
>>> >>>> >>> medications?
>>> >>>> >>> That is dumbing really
>>> independent blind
>>> >>>> adults down to babys in my
>>> >>>> >>> opinion!
>>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> >>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> >>>> >>> To: "National Association of
>>> Blind Students
>>> >>>> mailing list"
>>> >>>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, February 11,
>>> 2011 4:36 PM
>>> >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions
>>> world
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> lolololol! The food is
>>> horible! It's
>>> >>>> always warm in the dorm rooms.
>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, there's a curfue.
>>> Everyone has to
>>> >>>> relinquish their meds. The
>>> >>>> >>>> piano in the salarium,
>>> (I'm a musician,)
>>> >>>> is out of tune. I hate old,
>>> >>>> >>>> out-of-tune pianos!
>>> Someone kept breaking
>>> >>>> the rules. He smoked in his
>>> >>>> >>>> dorm room. I didn't have
>>> a choice on
>>> >>>> whether I wanted a room mate or
>>> >>>> >>>> not. I couldn't stand
>>> him, because he was
>>> >>>> always bragging about how
>>> >>>> >>>> much alcohol he could
>>> consume. I went for
>>> >>>> an evaluation, in 2007. I
>>> >>>> >>>> haven't attended a
>>> training center. I've
>>> >>>> received the mobility skills
>>> >>>> >>>> in school, and received
>>> my endependent
>>> >>>> living skills at LWSB. I only
>>> >>>> >>>> stayed 4 weeks. That's hw
>>> long an
>>> >>>> evaluation lasts. I made some
>>> >>>> >>>> friends, but some of
>>> them, (including my
>>> >>>> room mate,) were nothing but
>>> >>>> >>>> trouble. There are other
>>> places where he
>>> >>>> can get training without
>>> >>>> >>>> going to that place. O
>>> yeah, and too many
>>> >>>> of the trainees, allowed
>>> >>>> >>>> their guide dogs to run
>>> loose. I'm
>>> >>>> allergic to dogs.
>>> >>>> >>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/11/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> >>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>> Joshua,
>>> >>>> >>>>> I told Josh that on
>>> the other nabs
>>> >>>> list, the one belonging to ACB; I
>>> >>>> >>>>> told
>>> >>>> >>>>> him to think through
>>> it, think about
>>> >>>> the rules and if he'd like to
>>> >>>> >>>>> abide
>>> >>>> >>>>> by
>>> >>>> >>>>> such
>>> restrictions.  It didn't
>>> >>>> work.
>>> >>>> >>>>> Josh has already been
>>> to a nfb center;
>>> >>>> now he wants to get a
>>> >>>> >>>>> certification;
>>> >>>> >>>>> so perhaps he's
>>> willing to stay
>>> >>>> confined at LWSB to get that training.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> Joshua, what program
>>> did you attend
>>> >>>> and did you go to another training
>>> >>>> >>>>> center afterward?
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> But do they really
>>> have a lights out
>>> >>>> rule?  Do they really have a
>>> >>>> >>>>> curphew
>>> >>>> >>>>> where you got to be
>>> in your room?
>>> >>>> >>>>> I know they got dorms
>>> and roommates.
>>> >>>> They don't have apartments.
>>> >>>> >>>>> Someone
>>> >>>> >>>>> told me from Nabs ACB
>>> list that the
>>> >>>> food was not too good; it was
>>> >>>> >>>>> mostly
>>> >>>> >>>>> fried food which is
>>> very unhealthy.
>>> >>>> >>>>> As to nurses, I can
>>> understand that if
>>> >>>> a blind person cannot identify
>>> >>>> >>>>> their
>>> >>>> >>>>> meds; I mean some
>>> newly blind people
>>> >>>> cannot read braille or print and
>>> >>>> >>>>> cannot
>>> >>>> >>>>> know what meds they
>>> have in what
>>> >>>> bottle!
>>> >>>> >>>>> But some blind people
>>> have the skills
>>> >>>> already to take their meds.
>>> >>>> >>>>> However, is this an
>>> individual
>>> >>>> thing?  Does everyone have to
>>> relinquish
>>> >>>> >>>>> their meds, or just
>>> the ones who
>>> >>>> cannot take it independently yet?
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> On their website it
>>> says you have to
>>> >>>> agree to relocate after the
>>> >>>> >>>>> program.
>>> >>>> >>>>> That sounds terrible
>>> for the reasons
>>> >>>> you stated. If you don't have
>>> >>>> >>>>> friends
>>> >>>> >>>>> or family down in say
>>> Georga, then why
>>> >>>> move there?
>>> >>>> >>>>> Maybe so LWSB doesn't
>>> hear from you
>>> >>>> again.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> Ashley
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original
>>> Message-----
>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> >>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday,
>>> February 11, 2011 4:04
>>> >>>> PM
>>> >>>> >>>>> To: National
>>> Association of Blind
>>> >>>> Students mailing list
>>> >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>> lions world
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> In Little Rock,
>>> Arkansas? I attended
>>> >>>> there for 4 weeks. That is one of
>>> >>>> >>>>> those centers like
>>> the one Tara was
>>> >>>> talking about. They have "lights
>>> >>>> >>>>> out," "nurses
>>> controling meds," etc. I
>>> >>>> know, because I was there. They
>>> >>>> >>>>> thought that every
>>> blind person needed
>>> >>>> counseling. They called it
>>> >>>> >>>>> assertiveness
>>> training. The whole
>>> >>>> thing is a scam! They ship you off
>>> >>>> >>>>> to another state once
>>> you've
>>> >>>> graduated. Let's say, your home state is
>>> >>>> >>>>> Arkansas, (because
>>> that's mine.) You
>>> >>>> go through the IRS program, (for
>>> >>>> >>>>> example.) Once you've
>>> graduated,
>>> >>>> (since there are no jobs for you in
>>> >>>> >>>>> that field, they'll
>>> ship you to
>>> >>>> Georgia, Florida, Alabama, or
>>> >>>> >>>>> somewhere else,
>>> without your consent.
>>> >>>> I want to stay in Arkansas. All
>>> >>>> >>>>> of my family is here.
>>> You think I'm
>>> >>>> going to a state where I don't
>>> >>>> >>>>> know anyone from
>>> Adam? Nope! That's
>>> >>>> all LWSB is good for. Stay away!
>>> >>>> >>>>> Go to LCB, if you
>>> want that kind of
>>> >>>> training, but stay away from LWSB!
>>> >>>> >>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2/11/11, Josh
>>> Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> I want to let you
>>> guys know that I
>>> >>>> will be going to lions world within
>>> >>>> >>>>>> the next 5 or so
>>> months. I will be
>>> >>>> going for desktop support
>>> >>>> >>>>>> technician
>>> >>>> >>>>>> and then
>>> microsoft certified
>>> >>>> systems engineer program.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> Josh
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>
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Arielle Silverman
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