[nabs-l] Assignments with copy editing
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Sun Feb 13 15:50:14 UTC 2011
Hi,
This is an online class so no explanation; but yes I want to go over it with
her as you suggested. She could even draw with a dark marker as she
explains because I can see a little.
I need an awareness of what the symbols mean and do.
Yes I do want to braille that part of the test at home to take in with me; I
can only know misspellings if I read it myself.
I'll see what the professor says.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:54 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Assignments with copy editing
Ashley,
I can email you off list with a document that describes some often used
editing symbols.
Has your instructor ever gone through these symbols with the class or
you? Considering asking them, or a tutor knowledgeable on the subject,
to go over these symbols with you.
One example is that you would circle a word that is misspelled or used
out of context. A line through a word usually means to cut it.
So I guess, if you know the specific symbol-- like circle or carrot--
and you knew how and when to use them, you could direct a scribe to make
that mark on the necessary correction.
You can email me off list if you have more questions.
If you use JAWS, it is possible to edit. Turn on the "all punctuation"
feature with JAWS, but you will have to be careful to watch for commonly
confused words (like their and there) and misspelled words. These can
be tedious. If your DSO can not Braille the test, I believe Brailleing
it on your own would be considered a reasonable accomodation. Explain
the need to your professor to be able to read the test, just like
everyone else, so you do not miss corrections.
Bridgit
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:25:57 -0500
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Hi,
Yes I mean the copy editing symbols that editors use. They are
standard; I
can use a reader for tests, but how will I tell them what symbol to
write? I don't know if they have names. Also I have to have it in
braille to see
commas, other punctuation and spelling. I hope my professor lets me
braille
the article for copy editing at home before the test.
My school does not provide braille for tests nor do they have up dated
technology.
This wouldn't be such an issue if they could emboss tests.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:10 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Assignments with copy editing
Ashley,
I am an editor, and I also have assignments in class where we use
universal symbols for copy editing. I am a creative writing major with
a minor in public relations so I am familiar with this issue.
There are two ways you can approach this.
1. create your own way to mark errors. I use JAWS and have done this
for my classes for creative writing and public relations classes. Since
I can not independently make these marks, and JAWS can not either, my
instructors have allowed me to make corrections in a way that is
accessible. My instructors have also applied this for corrections on my
writing. For example: We may go too (to) the festivel (festival) after
picking Jake up (comma) but him (he) may not have muney (money).
In copy editing, there are specific symbols used for corrections, but I
have used the same paranthetical corrections, as demonstrated above, for
PR writing too.
2. Use a reader/scribe for your test. They can read the test (though
you will need a copy I suppose to point out the errors). Use whatever
method you are comfortable with so you can read the test too, and
Indicate what is to be corrected then have them draw the necessary
symbol. You will be telling them exactly what to do, and there is no
reason you shouldn't be able to do this.
Bridgit
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Hi all,
I?m taking an online editing class. We?re supposed to apply editing
symbols to some assignments Additionally we take tests in person at the
testing center. The professor said
?
The tests
?involve applying proof reading symbols to edit a document provided at
the Testing Center. (A copy of the usual synbols will be provided.)
So how can I do this part? I skipped over that symbol page when reading
since its not text. Now I realize I need to use them. I thought about
enlarging them and trying to see them with my vision, central vision.
But what else can I do for this? I?m reading with a reader. Do I need
to complete the visual work with a reader? Even then I can?t say reader
draw a punctuation symbol because they don?t have names, at least I
don?t think the symbols have names.
The class is technical editing so we?re supposed to write business
corespondence and edit existing documents. I?ll see if I cancopy
directions from the next assignment so you see what its about.
Thanks.
Ashley Bramlett
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Message: 33
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:04:37 -0600
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel
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Marcia,
Since I have lived in Minnesota all my life, I have gotten pretty used
to winter travel. It is something one can adjust to over time, but I am
sure it is difficult
for those in areas that are getting unusual weather. Still, it can take
some getting used to. Whether or not one has other disabilities, it
doesn't seem
appropriate to me for anyone to be laughing at whatever misadventures
you might have unless you are also laughing at them, and I gather that
you were
not. However, I also don't believe it is just the super-blind who
master such obstacles, either. It can take time and work, and such
travel will always be
easier for some than for others. I hope you don't write off the
possibility that you might be able to overcome some of the winter travel
challenges as
something only the superblind can do, and I also hope that you can find
people who will be supportive.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:15:52 -0500, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>Great question. Last year I asked this same question, as I am new to
>the northeast. And the response I got was that it must be something I
>am doing wrong with my mobility. Because as a NFB person, who has just
>the best mobility and orientation, I should NEVER get lost, nor never
>be disorientated, and it does not matter that there was 3 or 4 feet of
>snow on the ground. I should always be able to find my way. *being very
>sarcastic
>here* and that "if" I were getting lost, maybe I should go to a
training
>center, where I could get better skills. My point was I was laughed at
>because I was getting lost in the snow, the ice, and the high winds. I
guess
>it should not matter, that I have additional disabilities, like a
hearing
>loss, and balance issues. Its my fault, and not the snow. I am sorry
guys,
>it was not my fault all my landmarks were covered up. Now some of you
might
>say, going to a center is important here, but I do not fall into
needing to
>go to a center category. I am NOT a super blind person, nor ever will
be.
>Great question. But I also find it funny how so many people are so
>quick to judge others who are blind, for skills or things they can't do
>so well. I will be happy to see suggestions and little tips and tricks
>others have to say about this.
>This was certainly not directed at anyone. Just sayin. LOL
>Marsha
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:51 PM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel
>Hi all,
>I'm sure many of you are experiencing the effects of our unusually cold
>and snowy winter this year, which can pose unique challenges for cane
>and guide dog travel. Have you discovered any tricks you have found
>helpful for staying oriented while walking in snow, ice, and/or high
>winds?
>Arielle
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Message: 34
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:10:40 -0800
From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Top 10 Cities with Best Transportation
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I am very curious as to how they put this list together. I like
Portland's system quite a bit, and Denver's is pretty solid considering
how far-reaching it is.
alot of these systems differ from san francisco in that if you are
looking at SF proper's transportation system, it only serves San
Francisco and maybe a few parts outside of it. There is certainly a
system of transit agencies thatwhen counted, servefromBErkleyto San
Jose, and points between. You can even get to both San Francisco and
Oakland's airports via public trans. L.A. is notoriously suspect. I do
have to call into question the Methodology of this list. Now, I can
have a problem with this "scientific study" *smile*
Darian
On 2/12/11, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
> The list puzzles me a bit. Los Angeles, but not Chicago?
> I wonder how they gathered their data.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
> <nabs at acb.org>; <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "'NFB Talk Mailing List'"
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> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 10:18 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Top 10 Cities with Best Transportation
>
>
>> US News and World Report recently published a list of the top 10
>> cities with the best public transit. You can search the site for the
>> article to read more about each entry, but note that the presentation
>> is an online slideshow.
>>
>> Tied at #9 were Austin and Denver
>> #8 Honolulu
>> #7 Los Angeles
>> #6 San Francisco
>> #5 Minneapolis/Saint Paul
>> #4 Boston
>> #3 New York City
>> #2 Salt Lake City
>> #1 Portland
>>
>> Anyway, I thought you guys might find it interesting.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at
>> all."--Sam Ewing
>>
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Message: 35
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:55:25 -0500
From: Bre B <jesusfreak262 at gmail.com>
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On 2/12/2011 4:05 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
> Hi all:
> Just wondering,
> has anyone ever used Rosetta Stone?
> If so,
> is it accessible with Voice Over?
>
> Or JAWS?
>
> I'd prefer Voice Over as Mac's my primary system,
> but I could alwasy add it to the Windows side of things I guess.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
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Ah Yes, I have been wondering about the accessibility of Roseta
Stone. I have jaws, but I am planning to get a mac at some point. Bre
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Message: 36
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:08:33 -0600
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Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder--Community service call tomorrow!
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Hi everyone.
Just a reminder that there is a community service call tomorrow. We
will be hearing from an awesome guest speaker. I tpromises to be a
great call.
Here is the call in information again
phone number: (218) 339-3600
passcode 808277.
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Message: 37
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:10:16 -0500
From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
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I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like for
> his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the convention
>> in
>> Dalas
>> and heard the speech about the prison, can you explain?
>> What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other centers or
was
>> prison more of a metaphor?
>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we can
read
>> or
>> hear for ourselves.
>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
convention.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>
>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising people to
>> stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech about the
>> prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one such center, like
>> the individual giving the speech was referring to. Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has veered
>>> quite a bit away from the original topic of training centers. I
>>> would advise you to all be aware of two things when deciding to post
>>> to the NABS list. First, be mindful of other people's email
>>> mailboxes. I would urge all of us to make an effort to say what we
>>> want to say succinctly in one or two messages so as to minimize
>>> clutter to other people's inboxes, people who may or may not be
>>> interested in the discussion. Second, this list is archived online,
>>> and anybody who searches for NABS or blindness on Google can see the
>>> posts we write. We need to think about posting things that make our
>>> list and our organization look like a place that people would want
>>> to go to get information about blindness. Posts that are
>>> inflammatory or that lack meaningful content about blindness are
>>> likely to turn off people who could be future members of our
>>> organization.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>
>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> hi brian,
>>>>
>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>> Reading or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do?
>>>> First I would forgive her for committing adultry against me. Second
>>>> I would point out to both her and the person she was with that they
>>>> are committing adultry by doing this which is a mortal sin,
>>>> contrary to the will of God. I would next encourage her to get out
>>>> of that relationship as soon as possible. I would forgive her, make
>>>> up and move on and stay married to her. If she would do that to me
>>>> I would not, I repeat not, divorce her. I would recommend marriage
>>>> counseling, forgive forget stay married and move on. Besides all
>>>> the research shows that divorce is bad for children. My priority is
>>>> to keep my family together. If she makes a mistake she makes a
>>>> mistake. I would dialog with her to find out why she
>>>> did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I would
not. I
>>>> don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason for
>>>> divorce.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>> Email:
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>>> Website:
>>> www.nabslink.org
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Message: 38
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:14:59 -0500
From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] re lions world
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I will David. Have a happy Valentines Weekend.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] re lions world
> Brian: This is really none of your business and not appropriate, so
> cut
> it out.
>
> David Andrews, List Owner
>
> At 04:27 PM 2/12/2011, you wrote:
>>What would you do if your wife while you were away met a sighted
>>person in
>>Philadelphia and got her "needs met" You know scenarios like this can
>>happen if couples are apart for lengthie periods of time! I hope she
is
>>faithful enough to be strong while you are away.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Kennedy" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: [nabs-l] re lions world
>>
>>
>>>Hi Ariel,
>>>
>>>I am going there for certifications, not independence training I
>>>already
>>>got that at colorado center. Yes I could go to a local school for the
>>>same kinds of certifications. But there's no garnatee I would succeed
>>>there. Example. this past month I had $0.00 no money at all because
our
>>>heating bill was so high. Now if I had to go to school for
certifications
>>>this means that I would be skipping a whole month of school because I
>>>have absolutely no money at all to pay for paratransit to get me to
>>>school and back again. Next month I may have $50 perhaps $100 and the
>>>next month I may only have $10 or so. It depends on how high the
bills,
>>>rent is from month to month. I think lions world is the best option
for
>>>me. My wife and son can stay here and keep things up and running then
>>>I'll have a place to come back to. If I do get a job I'm going to
have to
>>>come back here for a little while so I can pack this place up and
move my
>>>family to wherever it is I'll be working anyway. Yes I'll miss them
but
>>>its a necessary sacrifice and I'm certainly willing to make that
>>>sacrifice if it means working and allowing my family as nice an
income as
>>>I can provide for them.
>>>
>>>Josh
>>>
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Message: 39
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:15:04 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
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Well, since you're interested, E-mail Mr. Scott LaBarre. Blessings,
Joshua
On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
> I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>
>
>> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like for
>> his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the convention
>>> in Dalas and heard the speech about the prison, can you explain?
>>> What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other centers or
was
>>> prison more of a metaphor?
>>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we can
read
>>>
>>> or
>>> hear for ourselves.
>>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
>>> convention.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>>
>>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising people
>>> to stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech about the
>>> prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one such center, like
>>> the individual giving the speech was referring to. Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has veered
>>>> quite a bit away from the original topic of training centers. I
>>>> would advise you to all be aware of two things when deciding to
>>>> post to the NABS list. First, be mindful of other people's email
>>>> mailboxes. I would urge all of us to make an effort to say what we
>>>> want to say succinctly in one or two messages so as to minimize
>>>> clutter to other people's inboxes, people who may or may not be
>>>> interested in the discussion. Second, this list is archived online,
>>>> and anybody who searches for NABS or blindness on Google can see
>>>> the posts we write. We need to think about posting things that make
>>>> our list and our organization look like a place that people would
>>>> want to go to get information about blindness. Posts that are
>>>> inflammatory or that lack meaningful content about blindness are
>>>> likely to turn off people who could be future members of our
>>>> organization.
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>>
>>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> hi brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>>> Reading or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do?
>>>>> First I would forgive her for committing adultry against me.
>>>>> Second I would point out to both her and the person she was with
>>>>> that they are committing adultry by doing this which is a mortal
>>>>> sin, contrary to the will of God. I would next encourage her to
>>>>> get out of that relationship as soon as possible. I would forgive
>>>>> her, make up and move on and stay married to her. If she would do
>>>>> that to me I would not, I repeat not, divorce her. I would
>>>>> recommend marriage counseling, forgive forget stay married and
>>>>> move on. Besides all the research shows that divorce is bad for
>>>>> children. My priority is to keep my family together. If she makes
>>>>> a mistake she makes a mistake. I would dialog with her to find out
>>>>> why she did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I
>>>>> would not. I don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a
>>>>> sufficient reason for divorce.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>> Email:
>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>> Website:
>>>> www.nabslink.org
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Message: 40
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:17:09 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalais
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I hear it was a good one; it would be great if there was a transcript
available.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hatgelakas
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:10 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like for
> his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the convention
>> in
>> Dalas
>> and heard the speech about the prison, can you explain?
>> What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other centers or
was
>> prison more of a metaphor?
>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we can
read
>> or
>> hear for ourselves.
>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
convention.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>
>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising people to
>> stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech about the
>> prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one such center, like
>> the individual giving the speech was referring to. Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has veered
>>> quite a bit away from the original topic of training centers. I
>>> would advise you to all be aware of two things when deciding to post
>>> to the NABS list. First, be mindful of other people's email
>>> mailboxes. I would urge all of us to make an effort to say what we
>>> want to say succinctly in one or two messages so as to minimize
>>> clutter to other people's inboxes, people who may or may not be
>>> interested in the discussion. Second, this list is archived online,
>>> and anybody who searches for NABS or blindness on Google can see the
>>> posts we write. We need to think about posting things that make our
>>> list and our organization look like a place that people would want
>>> to go to get information about blindness. Posts that are
>>> inflammatory or that lack meaningful content about blindness are
>>> likely to turn off people who could be future members of our
>>> organization.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>
>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> hi brian,
>>>>
>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>> Reading or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do?
>>>> First I would forgive her for committing adultry against me. Second
>>>> I would point out to both her and the person she was with that they
>>>> are committing adultry by doing this which is a mortal sin,
>>>> contrary to the will of God. I would next encourage her to get out
>>>> of that relationship as soon as possible. I would forgive her, make
>>>> up and move on and stay married to her. If she would do that to me
>>>> I would not, I repeat not, divorce her. I would recommend marriage
>>>> counseling, forgive forget stay married and move on. Besides all
>>>> the research shows that divorce is bad for children. My priority is
>>>> to keep my family together. If she makes a mistake she makes a
>>>> mistake. I would dialog with her to find out why she
>>>> did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I would
not. I
>>>> don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason for
>>>> divorce.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arielle Silverman
>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>> Email:
>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>> Website:
>>> www.nabslink.org
>>>
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Message: 41
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:22:47 -0500
From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
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What is Scott's email address?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
> Well, since you're interested, E-mail Mr. Scott LaBarre. Blessings,
> Joshua
>
> On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>>
>>
>>> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like
>>> for his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the convention
>>>> in Dalas and heard the speech about the prison, can you explain?
>>>> What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other centers
or
>>>> was
>>>> prison more of a metaphor?
>>>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we
can
>>>> read
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>> hear for ourselves.
>>>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
>>>> convention.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>>>
>>>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising people
>>>> to stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech about the
>>>> prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one such center,
>>>> like the individual giving the speech was referring to. Blessings,
>>>> Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has veered
>>>>> quite a bit away from the original topic of training centers. I
>>>>> would advise you to all be aware of two things when deciding to
>>>>> post to the NABS list. First, be mindful of other people's email
>>>>> mailboxes. I would urge all of us to make an effort to say what we
>>>>> want to say succinctly in one or two messages so as to minimize
>>>>> clutter to other people's inboxes, people who may or may not be
>>>>> interested in the discussion. Second, this list is archived
>>>>> online, and anybody who searches for NABS or blindness on Google
>>>>> can see the posts we write. We need to think about posting things
>>>>> that make our list and our organization look like a place that
>>>>> people would want to go to get information about blindness. Posts
>>>>> that are inflammatory or that lack meaningful content about
>>>>> blindness are likely to turn off people who could be future
>>>>> members of our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> hi brian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>>>> Reading
>>>>>> or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do? First I
would
>>>>>> forgive her for committing adultry against me. Second I would
point
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> to both her and the person she was with that they are committing
>>>>>> adultry
>>>>>> by doing this which is a mortal sin, contrary to the will of God.
I
>>>>>> would next encourage her to get out of that relationship as soon
as
>>>>>> possible. I would forgive her, make up and move on and stay
married
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> her. If she would do that to me I would not, I repeat not,
divorce
>>>>>> her.
>>>>>> I would recommend marriage counseling, forgive forget stay
married
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> move on. Besides all the research shows that divorce is bad for
>>>>>> children. My priority is to keep my family together. If she makes
a
>>>>>> mistake she makes a mistake. I would dialog with her to find out
why
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I would
not.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason for
>>>>>> divorce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>
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0gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>>> Email:
>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>> Website:
>>>>> www.nabslink.org
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Message: 42
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:23:07 -0500
From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel
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Some hats seem to work fine without blocking auditory clues. Also, some
looser fitting hoodies can break the wind and cover your ears without
hindering auditory clues.
GregOn Feb 12, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
> Marcia,
>
> Since I have lived in Minnesota all my life, I have gotten pretty used
> to winter travel. It is something one can adjust to over time, but I
am sure it is difficult
> for those in areas that are getting unusual weather. Still, it can
take some getting used to. Whether or not one has other disabilities,
it doesn't seem
> appropriate to me for anyone to be laughing at whatever misadventures
you might have unless you are also laughing at them, and I gather that
you were
> not. However, I also don't believe it is just the super-blind who
master such obstacles, either. It can take time and work, and such
travel will always be
> easier for some than for others. I hope you don't write off the
possibility that you might be able to overcome some of the winter travel
challenges as
> something only the superblind can do, and I also hope that you can
find people who will be supportive.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:15:52 -0500, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>
>> Great question. Last year I asked this same question, as I am new to
>> the northeast. And the response I got was that it must be something I
>> am doing wrong with my mobility. Because as a NFB person, who has
>> just the best mobility and orientation, I should NEVER get lost, nor
>> never be disorientated, and it does not matter that there was 3 or 4
>> feet of snow on the ground. I should always be able to find my way.
>> *being very sarcastic
>> here* and that "if" I were getting lost, maybe I should go to a
training
>> center, where I could get better skills. My point was I was laughed
at
>> because I was getting lost in the snow, the ice, and the high winds.
I guess
>> it should not matter, that I have additional disabilities, like a
hearing
>> loss, and balance issues. Its my fault, and not the snow. I am sorry
guys,
>> it was not my fault all my landmarks were covered up. Now some of you
might
>> say, going to a center is important here, but I do not fall into
needing to
>> go to a center category. I am NOT a super blind person, nor ever will
be.
>
>> Great question. But I also find it funny how so many people are so
>> quick to judge others who are blind, for skills or things they can't
>> do so well. I will be happy to see suggestions and little tips and
>> tricks others have to say about this.
>
>> This was certainly not directed at anyone. Just sayin. LOL
>
>> Marsha
>
>>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:51 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel
>
>> Hi all,
>
>> I'm sure many of you are experiencing the effects of our unusually
>> cold and snowy winter this year, which can pose unique challenges for
>> cane and guide dog travel. Have you discovered any tricks you have
>> found helpful for staying oriented while walking in snow, ice, and/or
>> high winds?
>
>> Arielle
>
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Message: 43
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:26:39 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
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You can find it on the Colorado Center for the Blind's Website.
Blessings, Joshua
On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
> What is Scott's email address?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>
>
>> Well, since you're interested, E-mail Mr. Scott LaBarre. Blessings,
>> Joshua
>>
>> On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like
>>>> for his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the
>>>>> convention in Dalas and heard the speech about the prison, can you
>>>>> explain? What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other
>>>>> centers or was
>>>>> prison more of a metaphor?
>>>>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we
can
>>>>> read
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>> hear for ourselves.
>>>>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
>>>>> convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising people
>>>>> to stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech about the
>>>>> prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one such center,
>>>>> like the individual giving the speech was referring to. Blessings,
>>>>> Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has veered
>>>>>> quite a bit away from the original topic of training centers. I
>>>>>> would advise you to all be aware of two things when deciding to
>>>>>> post to the NABS list. First, be mindful of other people's email
>>>>>> mailboxes. I would urge all of us to make an effort to say what
>>>>>> we want to say succinctly in one or two messages so as to
>>>>>> minimize clutter to other people's inboxes, people who may or may
>>>>>> not be interested in the discussion. Second, this list is
>>>>>> archived online, and anybody who searches for NABS or blindness
>>>>>> on Google can see the posts we write. We need to think about
>>>>>> posting things that make our list and our organization look like
>>>>>> a place that people would want to go to get information about
>>>>>> blindness. Posts that are inflammatory or that lack meaningful
>>>>>> content about blindness are likely to turn off people who could
>>>>>> be future members of our organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>>>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> hi brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>>>>> Reading or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do?
>>>>>>> First I would forgive her for committing adultry against me.
>>>>>>> Second I would point out
>>>>>>> to both her and the person she was with that they are committing
>>>>>>> adultry
>>>>>>> by doing this which is a mortal sin, contrary to the will of
God. I
>>>>>>> would next encourage her to get out of that relationship as soon
as
>>>>>>> possible. I would forgive her, make up and move on and stay
married
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> her. If she would do that to me I would not, I repeat not,
divorce
>>>>>>> her.
>>>>>>> I would recommend marriage counseling, forgive forget stay
married
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> move on. Besides all the research shows that divorce is bad for
>>>>>>> children. My priority is to keep my family together. If she
makes a
>>>>>>> mistake she makes a mistake. I would dialog with her to find out
why
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I would
not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason
>>>>>>> for divorce.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>>>>>> info for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>
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0gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>>>> Email:
>>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>>> Website:
>>>>>> www.nabslink.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Message: 44
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:31:01 -0500
From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rosetta Stone
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I have not tried their software, but from what I understand, their
method of teaching language is highly visual in nature. It involves
looking at pictures/videos and saying out loud what is happening in the
foreign language. The idea is to get you to think in a foreign language
by connecting what you see to what you are saying without translating to
english first.
I haven't used their products but I checked out the program a couple
years back because I was interested. This was the understanding I got
and it turned me off.
An accessible alternative is languagepod101.com. They have courses
available in a whole bunch of languages. I have been using their
russian site to try and learn some russian and it has been very
accessible.
Hope this helps.
Greg
On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Bre B wrote:
> On 2/12/2011 4:05 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> Just wondering,
>> has anyone ever used Rosetta Stone?
>> If so,
>> is it accessible with Voice Over?
>>
>> Or JAWS?
>>
>> I'd prefer Voice Over as Mac's my primary system,
>> but I could alwasy add it to the Windows side of things I guess.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>>
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> Ah Yes, I have been wondering about the accessibility of Roseta
> Stone. I have jaws, but I am planning to get a mac at some point. Bre
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Message: 45
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:33:16 -0500
From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
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What is their website? Also after I navigate onto it how and where do I
find the speech?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
> You can find it on the Colorado Center for the Blind's Website.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>> What is Scott's email address?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>>
>>
>>> Well, since you're interested, E-mail Mr. Scott LaBarre. Blessings,
>>> Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like
>>>>> for his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the
>>>>>> convention
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Dalas
>>>>>> and heard the speech about the prison, can you explain?
>>>>>> What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other centers
or
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> prison more of a metaphor?
>>>>>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we
can
>>>>>> read
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> hear for ourselves.
>>>>>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising
>>>>>> people to stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech
>>>>>> about the prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one such
>>>>>> center, like the individual giving the speech was referring to.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has veered
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> a bit away from the original topic of training centers. I would
>>>>>>> advise
>>>>>>> you to all be aware of two things when deciding to post to the
NABS
>>>>>>> list. First, be mindful of other people's email mailboxes. I
would
>>>>>>> urge all of us to make an effort to say what we want to say
>>>>>>> succinctly
>>>>>>> in one or two messages so as to minimize clutter to other
people's
>>>>>>> inboxes, people who may or may not be interested in the
discussion.
>>>>>>> Second, this list is archived online, and anybody who searches
for
>>>>>>> NABS or blindness on Google can see the posts we write. We need
to
>>>>>>> think about posting things that make our list and our
organization
>>>>>>> look like a place that people would want to go to get
information
>>>>>>> about blindness. Posts that are inflammatory or that lack
meaningful
>>>>>>> content about blindness are likely to turn off people who could
be
>>>>>>> future members of our organization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>>>>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> hi brian,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>>>>>> Reading or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do?
>>>>>>>> First I would
>>>>>>>> forgive her for committing adultry against me. Second I would
point
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> to both her and the person she was with that they are
committing
>>>>>>>> adultry
>>>>>>>> by doing this which is a mortal sin, contrary to the will of
God. I
>>>>>>>> would next encourage her to get out of that relationship as
soon as
>>>>>>>> possible. I would forgive her, make up and move on and stay
married
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> her. If she would do that to me I would not, I repeat not,
divorce
>>>>>>>> her.
>>>>>>>> I would recommend marriage counseling, forgive forget stay
married
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> move on. Besides all the research shows that divorce is bad for
>>>>>>>> children. My priority is to keep my family together. If she
makes a
>>>>>>>> mistake she makes a mistake. I would dialog with her to find
out
>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>> did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I
would
>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason
>>>>>>>> for divorce.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>>
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0gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>>>>> Email:
>>>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Website:
>>>>>>> www.nabslink.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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udents.pccua.edu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Message: 46
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:37:33 -0600
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
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The speech isn't on the site, but his E-mail address is. Go to
www.cocenter.org. Blessings, Joshua
On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
> What is their website? Also after I navigate onto it how and where do
> I find the speech?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>
>
>> You can find it on the Colorado Center for the Blind's Website.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> What is Scott's email address?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, since you're interested, E-mail Mr. Scott LaBarre. Blessings,
>>>> Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like
>>>>>> for his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the
>>>>>>> convention in Dalas
>>>>>>> and heard the speech about the prison, can you explain?
>>>>>>> What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other
centers or
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> prison more of a metaphor?
>>>>>>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we
can
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> hear for ourselves.
>>>>>>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
>>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising
>>>>>>> people to stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech
>>>>>>> about the prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one
>>>>>>> such center, like the individual giving the speech was referring
>>>>>>> to. Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has
>>>>>>>> veered quite a bit away from the original topic of training
>>>>>>>> centers. I would advise
>>>>>>>> you to all be aware of two things when deciding to post to the
NABS
>>>>>>>> list. First, be mindful of other people's email mailboxes. I
would
>>>>>>>> urge all of us to make an effort to say what we want to say
>>>>>>>> succinctly
>>>>>>>> in one or two messages so as to minimize clutter to other
people's
>>>>>>>> inboxes, people who may or may not be interested in the
discussion.
>>>>>>>> Second, this list is archived online, and anybody who searches
for
>>>>>>>> NABS or blindness on Google can see the posts we write. We need
to
>>>>>>>> think about posting things that make our list and our
organization
>>>>>>>> look like a place that people would want to go to get
information
>>>>>>>> about blindness. Posts that are inflammatory or that lack
meaningful
>>>>>>>> content about blindness are likely to turn off people who could
be
>>>>>>>> future members of our organization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>>>>>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi brian,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>>>>>>> Reading or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do?
>>>>>>>>> First I would
>>>>>>>>> forgive her for committing adultry against me. Second I would
point
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> to both her and the person she was with that they are
committing
>>>>>>>>> adultry
>>>>>>>>> by doing this which is a mortal sin, contrary to the will of
God. I
>>>>>>>>> would next encourage her to get out of that relationship as
soon as
>>>>>>>>> possible. I would forgive her, make up and move on and stay
married
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> her. If she would do that to me I would not, I repeat not,
divorce
>>>>>>>>> her.
>>>>>>>>> I would recommend marriage counseling, forgive forget stay
married
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> move on. Besides all the research shows that divorce is bad
for
>>>>>>>>> children. My priority is to keep my family together. If she
makes a
>>>>>>>>> mistake she makes a mistake. I would dialog with her to find
out
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>> did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I
would
>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason
>>>>>>>>> for divorce.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>>>>>> Email:
>>>>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Website:
>>>>>>>> www.nabslink.org
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Message: 47
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 00:44:00 -0500
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalais
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Brian, did you hear it live? Many of the speeches were recorded and
placed
online. I'll see if his was.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hatgelakas
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:22 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
What is Scott's email address?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
> Well, since you're interested, E-mail Mr. Scott LaBarre. Blessings,
> Joshua
>
> On 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I'd love to read a coppy of that dalais speech!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech in Dalas
>>
>>
>>> Ashley, E-mail me off list. I'm sure this gentleman wouldn't like
>>> for his name to be mentioned on this list. Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 2/12/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Do you mean last convention? For those who attended the convention
>>>> in Dalas and heard the speech about the prison, can you explain?
>>>> What was the speech about and by whom? Was it about other centers
or
>>>> was
>>>> prison more of a metaphor?
>>>> A transcript or link to the speech online would be helpful so we
can
>>>> read
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>> hear for ourselves.
>>>> This caught my attention for a speech to be about a prison at
>>>> convention.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:02 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
>>>>
>>>> I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Silverman. I'm just advising people
>>>> to stay away from a scam. If anyone remembers The speech about the
>>>> prison, from the convention in Dallas, LWSB is one such center,
>>>> like the individual giving the speech was referring to. Blessings,
>>>> Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 2/12/11, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I don't have to tell you that this discussion has veered
>>>>> quite a bit away from the original topic of training centers. I
>>>>> would advise you to all be aware of two things when deciding to
>>>>> post to the NABS list. First, be mindful of other people's email
>>>>> mailboxes. I would urge all of us to make an effort to say what we
>>>>> want to say succinctly in one or two messages so as to minimize
>>>>> clutter to other people's inboxes, people who may or may not be
>>>>> interested in the discussion. Second, this list is archived
>>>>> online, and anybody who searches for NABS or blindness on Google
>>>>> can see the posts we write. We need to think about posting things
>>>>> that make our list and our organization look like a place that
>>>>> people would want to go to get information about blindness. Posts
>>>>> that are inflammatory or that lack meaningful content about
>>>>> blindness are likely to turn off people who could be future
>>>>> members of our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>>>> National Association of blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/11, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> hi brian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted person in
>>>>>> Reading
>>>>>> or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I do? First I
would
>>>>>> forgive her for committing adultry against me. Second I would
point
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> to both her and the person she was with that they are committing
>>>>>> adultry
>>>>>> by doing this which is a mortal sin, contrary to the will of God.
I
>>>>>> would next encourage her to get out of that relationship as soon
as
>>>>>> possible. I would forgive her, make up and move on and stay
married
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> her. If she would do that to me I would not, I repeat not,
divorce
>>>>>> her.
>>>>>> I would recommend marriage counseling, forgive forget stay
married
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> move on. Besides all the research shows that divorce is bad for
>>>>>> children. My priority is to keep my family together. If she makes
a
>>>>>> mistake she makes a mistake. I would dialog with her to find out
why
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> did such a thing. Most people would divorce their wives, I would
not.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't find cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason for
>>>>>> divorce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
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0gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Arielle Silverman
>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255
>>>>> Email:
>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>>>>> Website:
>>>>> www.nabslink.org
>>>>>
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