[nabs-l] waver

[Rob Blachowicz]

?One more clarification I'm not knocking performing arts or that particular 
course and maybe for another blind person they could do it and I probably 
could have as well if I really wanted to which iI didn't.  But good point 
Ashley.

-----Original Message----- 
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] waver

Rob,
Good point.  NFB members probably won't agree.  They think waving a class
says we're unequal and can't compete.  I think we have to try to get
accomodations.  To Josh's cridit he said he could use another screen reader
to facilitate his access but he can't buy the screen reader which led him to
propose renting the screen reader; good idea.

But yeah I see what you're saying; if the  class is real visual and has
nothing to do with your interests or major, should you get a waver?
I don't know. Part of me says no since you are not meeting college
requirements; the other part says yes.
For instance if you constantly use a reader to input data in the computer
and have to have everything read, described, and written in for you, is it
really worth it? Are you really feeling the benefit and equal anyway to your
peers?
I'd say if you do get a waver then have a course substitution for another
class.

BTW to fulfill
the performing arts requirement, I took acting, a basic acting class that
met once a week.  Turned out to be fun.  I didn't like memorizing lines
though.

Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Blachowicz" <rob_blach at hotmail.com>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing
list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] waver


> ?
> oh I want to clarify that I do agree with making an atempt in most 
> ccercumstances.  I'm mainly talking about courses that don't reallyahve 
> anything to do with the major such as visual performing arts for someone 
> that doesn't want to go into the arts I had no interest in it and did get 
> a waver for it.
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Joe Orozco
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:41 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] waver
>
> Dennis,
>
> The NFB is not opposed to manufacturers making things accessible to us. 
> I'm
> not challenging you, but where did you get that perception?  I think it'd 
> be
> worth us exploring the literature for possible confusion or slapping the
> person upside the head for misleading you.  I think the fact that the NFB
> has gone after airlines, universities and test agencies is indicative of a
> group that is trying to make more products accessible to us all.
>
> Robert,
>
> No one is rejecting the notion that we're all different in our capacities 
> as
> blind individuals.  Yet, you have to recognize that it's far easier for us
> to, like Nicole pointed out, assume that something is impossible than it 
> is
> for us to give it an extra push to understand the concepts of how 
> something
> works and potentially learn it.  We can't have it both ways in expecting
> employers to see us as equal to our sighted fellow applicants but advance
> the caveat that there are some things that we're not prepared to make an
> effort at learning.  Does this mean we idiotically go out and do things 
> just
> to prove a point?  Perhaps there are some people who do this, but most of 
> us
> would rather emphasize our efficiency.
>
> At one of my jobs I had a supervisor who once handed me a stack of checks
> and asked me to enter their numbers into our system.  This would have
> involved me sitting there and scanning each individual check with 
> potential
> glitches in OCR.  Could I have done it?  Yes, but it would have taken her
> less than half the time to get the job done.  I traded her tasks, and we
> achieved the overall assignment with less fuss.
>
> But, people have to be willing to make an effort.  I think those of us 
> with
> experience with MS Project have all agreed it is largely inaccessible. 
> Yet,
> who are we to know that maybe Josh won't be the guy who will have a bright
> idea and find a solution to it?  Maybe he will find someone who will make
> scripts available to make the non-graphical representations at least more
> accessible to us.
>
> Anyway, just my twenty dollar's worth.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
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