[nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice

Wed Jul 20 05:41:25 UTC 2011

Hello Everyone,
I think it is really important that we have discussions like this. Whether
or not you believe that their is anything wrong with this seminar, putting
the question out there makes us question our belief systems and think more
deeply about what we are doing. The reason this is important is so that we
can learn more, grow, and change our viewpoints if need be.

As ideological as that sounds, my point is we should feel comfortable asking
the list questions and polling responses. If we start to question what we
can and can't say, should and shouldn't post, we will begin to lose some of
the value. I am now finished rambling! Have a good one all.

David
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David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
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Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:32 AM, T. Joseph Carter
<carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>wrote:

> Carly,
>
> Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if they may
> upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers?  If so, I
> emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you correctly.
>
> I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as to whether
> or not this seminar by Hadley—an organization that deals in blindness and
> nothing but—seemed condescending at all to anyone else.  It did to me, but I
> acknowledged in the asking that I’m basically cynical and jaded about such
> things.
>
> I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there’s nothing wrong with
> Hadley’s seminar.  But I make no apology whatsoever for asking the question
> on an NFB list.
>
> The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by giving us the
> means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then treating us
> accordingly.  We cannot do that if, even within our own organization, we
> cannot discuss whether or not those who provide us with services are working
> toward that goal or against it.
>
> Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I certainly
> count myself among them.  But that’s why I asked the question here, on an
> NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people.  I did not put the
> question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn’t be expected to
> understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and loved ones
> wouldn’t get it!)
>
> If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant sightie
> (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we’re walking down
> the street and says, "You’re doing SUCH A GOOD JOB," we’re likely to get the
> idea that we should accept the "compliment" we’re being given, despite the
> fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely mastered.  How
> else would we know it was acceptable to consider that a sign of ignorance we
> should correct if we can?  Or that it was okay to maybe be a little offended
> ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person’s estimation?
>
> I’m not generally known for political correctness.  I’m certainly not known
> for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists.  I do not expect that will
> change in the near future.
>
> Joseph - KF7QZC
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Joseph,
>>
>> 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook
>> recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in the
>> helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness whatsoever.
>> Furthermore, I believe there are  even occasions in which , no-cook food
>> preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be
>> inappropriate.
>>
>> To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will do
>> actual wonders for our social  ambiguities, doncha think?
>> Please, easy on the over reactions!
>> for today,
>> Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar
>>>  but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe they are archived; the wording of
>>> it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that doesn't
>>> require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether you are preparing for yourself
>>> or to impress guests. So therefore they are assuming that you will prepare
>>> for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets
>>> many many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired;
>>> newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this is an
>>> overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic that
>>> most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who wants
>>> something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more
>>> into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for people with
>>> visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques
>>> sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive
>>> techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind
>>> cooks use a tray or something to put their  pots and pans and bowls on while
>>> preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to clean up.
>>> Some blind people use liquid level indicators  to know when their cup is
>>> full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to fill the
>>> bowl/cup or judge by sound.  But for those who can't or don't want to use
>>> their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often use the
>>> sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep
>>> tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques.  Anyone may
>>> want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind
>>> people. However I do agree a sixty minute seminar is too short to cover such
>>> a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had.  Well, anyone who
>>> attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T.
>>> Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:10 PM To: National Association
>>> of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming
>>> Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps
>>> for Your iDevice Iâ€™m of two minds on this, perhaps Iâ€™m being overly
>>> sensitive. First, thereâ€™s the notion of a seminar for preparing food
>>> without cooking it.  Where do I begin?  Letâ€™s start with the seminar
>>> itself: Most sighted people would never expect a seminar to teach them how
>>> to follow a recipe.  Either you can or you donâ€™t have the requisite skills
>>> to do it.  If you donâ€™t have the skills, Iâ€™m not sure how a 60 minute
>>> webcast is going to help you get them.  A list of recipes should suffice,
>>> and indeed our own Braille Monitor publishes recipes (though not often the
>>> no-cooking variety) with the assumption that fellow blind readers can follow
>>> them if they are so inclined. Then thereâ€™s the no cooking aspect.
>>>  Inherently in this is the unavoidable assumption that the blind cannot or
>>> should not be cooking food.  Any of you who live alone doubtlessly have SOME
>>> food prep skill, even if youâ€™ve never learned to "cook" as such, and your
>>> skill mostly consists of using a microwave and boiling water. But as I said,
>>> perhaps I am being overly sensitive.  The seminar format could allow for
>>> suggestions for improving the recipes a bit (in which case an hour seems too
>>> short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe thatâ€™s what
>>> theyâ€™ve got in mind.  Possibly the no-cook aspect has more to do with the
>>> idea that itâ€™s summer and you donâ€™t want to spend a lot of time in a hot
>>> kitchen—or  that you would prefer cold foods to hot ones at this time of the
>>> year.  Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on
>>> campus and donâ€™t have the means to cook in any traditional way. Or maybe,
>>> itâ€™s because weâ€™re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at
>>> 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents:
>>> NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011
>>>
>>>> Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot
>>>>>
>>>> outside, but no need to get out of the >>kitchen. There are lots of NO
>>> COOK recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a simple, fast meal for
>>> yourself or something to impress guests. >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn
>>> Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their
>>>
>>>> favorite NO COOK recipes, adding Ã¢€œcoolÃ¢€Â  fo  food
>>>>>
>>>> preparation tips that >>work for the cook with a visual impairment.
>>>
>>>> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we
>>>>>
>>>> build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar.
>>> Consider adding >>your favorite recipe, too! >> >>Space in this seminar is
>>> limited. Please only register if you know you are
>>>
>>>> available to attend so that others are not closed out. To
>>>>>
>>>> register for NO >>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link:
>>>
>>>> http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=<http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=>94 >> >>Seminars at Hadley
>>>>>
>>>> Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your iDevice
>>> >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time: 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for
>>> money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>apps for
>>> color identification, and apps for games. If you have an idevice >>(iPhone,
>>> iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>available
>>> for your device. Are you overwhelmed with the number of apps >>available for
>>> your idevice? Do you want to know more about the app before >>you download
>>> it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are
>>>
>>>> you confused about how to locate and download an app to your
>>>>>
>>>> idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and
>>> Korey Singleton, >>Assistive Technology Initiative Manager for George Mason
>>> University >>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices,
>>> explain how >>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide
>>> step-by-step >>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your
>>> idevice. >> >>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by
>>> Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer
>>> session will
>>>
>>>> be included as part of the seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is
>>>>>
>>>> limited. Please only register if you know you are >>available to attend
>>> so that others are not closed out. To register for >>Going Ape for Apps on
>>> July 21, follow this link:
>>>
>>>> http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=<http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=>95 >> >>This message
>>>>>
>>>> was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for the Blind |
>>> 700 Elm St.  | Winnetka, IL 60093 > >
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