[nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps for Your iDevice

Wed Jul 20 06:17:00 UTC 2011

Hi, David,

'Couldn't agree more! I was horrified to see how, 
comments I made, caused Joseph to remind us that, 
he is not known for his political correctness, 
particularly on an NFB List. Politically correct?
Not I!
for today,
Car I PM 7/19/2011, David Dodge wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>I think it is really important that we have discussions like this. Whether
>or not you believe that their is anything wrong with this seminar, putting
>the question out there makes us question our belief systems and think more
>deeply about what we are doing. The reason this is important is so that we
>can learn more, grow, and change our viewpoints if need be.
>
>As ideological as that sounds, my point is we should feel comfortable asking
>the list questions and polling responses. If we start to question what we
>can and can't say, should and shouldn't post, we will begin to lose some of
>the value. I am now finished rambling! Have a good one all.
>
>David
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>David Dodge
>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>State University of New York Student Assembly
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>University at Buffalo
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>
>
>On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:32 AM, T. Joseph Carter
><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Carly,
> >
> > Are you saying that we may not dare to ask certain questions if they may
> > upset the sighted public, even here amongst our blind peers?  If so, I
> > emphatically disagree, but I am not sure I am understanding you correctly.
> >
> > I asked an honest question of the members of the NABS list, as to whether
> > or not this seminar by Hadley—an organization that deals in blindness and
> > nothing but—seemed condescending at all to 
> anyone else.  It did to me, but I
> > acknowledged in the asking that I’m basically cynical and jaded about such
> > things.
> >
> > I accept that the majority opinion is that no, there’s nothing wrong with
> > Hadley’s seminar.  But I make no apology whatsoever for asking the question
> > on an NFB list.
> >
> > The missing of the NFB is to attain equality for the blind by giving us the
> > means to be regarded as any other non-blind person, and then treating us
> > accordingly.  We cannot do that if, even within our own organization, we
> > cannot discuss whether or not those who 
> provide us with services are working
> > toward that goal or against it.
> >
> > Some of us are perhaps overly sensitive to these issues, and I certainly
> > count myself among them.  But that’s why I asked the question here, on an
> > NFB list, to other generally like-minded blind people.  I did not put the
> > question out to the sighted public, who generally wouldn’t be expected to
> > understand what the big deal is (even my own sighted friends and loved ones
> > wouldn’t get it!)
> >
> > If we start mincing words here, then the next time some ignorant sightie
> > (yes, I said ignorant sightie) comes up to one of us as we’re walking down
> > the street and says, "You’re doing SUCH A 
> GOOD JOB," we’re likely to get the
> > idea that we should accept the "compliment" we’re being given, despite the
> > fact that walking is a task most two year olds have largely mastered.  How
> > else would we know it was acceptable to 
> consider that a sign of ignorance we
> > should correct if we can?  Or that it was 
> okay to maybe be a little offended
> > ourselves that this is what we are reduced to in that person’s estimation?
> >
> > I’m not generally known for political correctness.  I’m certainly not known
> > for it regarding blindness on NFB mailing lists.  I do not expect that will
> > change in the near future.
> >
> > Joseph - KF7QZC
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:37:29PM -0700, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, Joseph,
> >>
> >> 'Seems to me, a response such as that elicited by an idea of no-cook
> >> recipes was, in a word a little uncalled for, as there, contained in the
> >> helpful sharing of cookless recipes no mention of blindness whatsoever.
> >> Furthermore, I believe there are  even occasions in which , no-cook food
> >> preparation is in order and, actually preparing a dish would be
> >> inappropriate.
> >>
> >> To Alienate both main stream folk, as well as other populations will do
> >> actual wonders for our social  ambiguities, doncha think?
> >> Please, easy on the over reactions!
> >> for today,
> >> Car7/19/2011, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> Joeseph, Actually, I found this fine. I want to attend a hadley webinar
> >>>  but that time doesn't work for me. Maybe 
> they are archived; the wording of
> >>> it says its summer and they want to talk about food prep that doesn't
> >>> require a hot kitchen. Also it says whether 
> you are preparing for yourself
> >>> or to impress guests. So therefore they are 
> assuming that you will prepare
> >>> for yourself, family or friends; whatever you need to do. Hadley targets
> >>> many many people including teachers of the blind and visually impaired;
> >>> newly blind adults and those blind from birth. I take it that this is an
> >>> overview of cooking ideas and recipies. Its probably something basic that
> >>> most could follow from the novice cook to the advanced cook who wants
> >>> something simple. I didn't find it offensive at all; I think we read more
> >>> into things sometimes. It does say they will discuss tips for people with
> >>> visual impairments; I know NFB people don't like adaptive techniques
> >>> sometimes, so you can take it or leave it. But we do need adaptive
> >>> techniques and a newly blind person may not know what to do. Many blind
> >>> cooks use a tray or something to put 
> their  pots and pans and bowls on while
> >>> preparing food so any spills fall on the tray and its easier to clean up.
> >>> Some blind people use liquid level indicators  to know when their cup is
> >>> full of the desired liquid. More often people use a finger to fill the
> >>> bowl/cup or judge by sound.  But for those who can't or don't want to use
> >>> their finger, the liquid level indicator is an option. We often use the
> >>> sense of touch instead of seeing to know the consistency of food and keep
> >>> tabs on what we are doing. So those are adaptive techniques.  Anyone may
> >>> want simple cold food recipies; Hadley just decided to target it to blind
> >>> people. However I do agree a sixty minute 
> seminar is too short to cover such
> >>> a topic. But I guess that is all the time they had.  Well, anyone who
> >>> attends can judge afterward. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T.
> >>> Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 
> 3:10 PM To: National Association
> >>> of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: 
> [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder-Upcoming
> >>> Seminars: NO COOK Cooking! and Going Ape for Apps-Hot New Accessible Apps
> >>> for Your iDevice Iâ€™m of two minds on this, perhaps Iâ€™m being overly
> >>> sensitive. First, thereâ€™s the notion of a seminar for preparing food
> >>> without cooking it.  Where do I begin?  Letâ€™s start with the seminar
> >>> itself: Most sighted people would never 
> expect a seminar to teach them how
> >>> to follow a recipe.  Either you can or you 
> donâ€™t have the requisite skills
> >>> to do it.  If you donâ€™t have the skills, Iâ€™m not sure how a 60 minute
> >>> webcast is going to help you get them.  A list of recipes should suffice,
> >>> and indeed our own Braille Monitor 
> publishes recipes (though not often the
> >>> no-cooking variety) with the assumption 
> that fellow blind readers can follow
> >>> them if they are so inclined. Then thereâ€™s the no cooking aspect.
> >>>  Inherently in this is the unavoidable 
> assumption that the blind cannot or
> >>> should not be cooking food.  Any of you who 
> live alone doubtlessly have SOME
> >>> food prep skill, even if youâ€™ve never 
> learned to "cook" as such, and your
> >>> skill mostly consists of using a microwave 
> and boiling water. But as I said,
> >>> perhaps I am being overly sensitive.  The seminar format could allow for
> >>> suggestions for improving the recipes a bit 
> (in which case an hour seems too
> >>> short for more than maybe two or three recipes), so maybe thatâ€™s what
> >>> theyâ€™ve got in mind.  Possibly the 
> no-cook aspect has more to do with the
> >>> idea that itâ€™s summer and you donâ€™t 
> want to spend a lot of time in a hot
> >>> kitchen—or  that you would prefer cold 
> foods to hot ones at this time of the
> >>> year.  Or perhaps they are targeting this to college students who live on
> >>> campus and donâ€™t have the means to cook 
> in any traditional way. Or maybe,
> >>> itâ€™s because weâ€™re blind. Joseph - KF7QZC On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at
> >>> 01:17:55PM -0500, David Andrews wrote: > >> >>Seminars at Hadley Presents:
> >>> NO COOK Cooking! >> >>Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011
> >>>
> >>>> Time: 10 AM CDT, 15:00 GMT >> >>Keep your cool! It may be hot
> >>>>>
> >>>> outside, but no need to get out of the >>kitchen. There are lots of NO
> >>> COOK recipes to choose from whether >>preparing a simple, fast meal for
> >>> yourself or something to impress 
> guests. >> >>Panelists Patti Jacobson, Linn
> >>> Sorge and Goldie Tarr will discuss their
> >>>
> >>>> favorite NO COOK recipes, adding Ã¢€œcoolÃ¢€Â  fo  food
> >>>>>
> >>>> preparation tips that >>work for the cook with a visual impairment.
> >>>
> >>>> >>Moderator Dawn Turco will add a few of her favorites as we
> >>>>>
> >>>> build a >>resource and recipe list during this 60 minute seminar.
> >>> Consider adding >>your favorite recipe, 
> too! >> >>Space in this seminar is
> >>> limited. Please only register if you know you are
> >>>
> >>>> available to attend so that others are not closed out. To
> >>>>>
> >>>> register for NO >>COOK Cooking! on July 20, follow this link:
> >>>
> >>>> 
> http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=<http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=>94  
>  >> >>Seminars at Hadley
> >>>>>
> >>>> Presents: Going Ape for Apps-How New Accessible Apps for >>Your iDevice
> >>> >> >>Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 >>Time: 
> 6 PM CDT, 23:00 GMT >> >>Apps for
> >>> money identification, apps for GPS, apps for bar code reading, >>apps for
> >>> color identification, and apps for games. 
> If you have an idevice >>(iPhone,
> >>> iPad or iPod Touch), you are bombarded with thousands of apps >>available
> >>> for your device. Are you overwhelmed with 
> the number of apps >>available for
> >>> your idevice? Do you want to know more 
> about the app before >>you download
> >>> it to your device, such as features and accessibility? Are
> >>>
> >>>> you confused about how to locate and download an app to your
> >>>>>
> >>>> idevice? >> >>Join Seminars at Hadley as Hadley Instructor Amy Salmon and
> >>> Korey Singleton, >>Assistive Technology 
> Initiative Manager for George Mason
> >>> University >>provide a list of the top accessible apps for your idevices,
> >>> explain how >>to check an app for accessibility and features, and provide
> >>> step-by-step >>instructions on how to locate and download an app to your
> >>> idevice. >> >>This 60 minute open discussion seminar will be moderated by
> >>> Hadley >>Outreach Coordinator Billy Brookshire. A question and answer
> >>> session will
> >>>
> >>>> be included as part of the seminar. >> >>Space in this seminar is
> >>>>>
> >>>> limited. Please only register if you know you are >>available to attend
> >>> so that others are not closed out. To 
> register for >>Going Ape for Apps on
> >>> July 21, follow this link:
> >>>
> >>>> 
> http://hadley.edu/seminar_**detail.asp?sid=<http://hadley.edu/seminar_detail.asp?sid=>95  
>  >> >>This message
> >>>>>
> >>>> was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: >>The Hadley School for the Blind |
> >>> 700 Elm St.  | Winnetka, IL 60093 > >
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