[nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking

Tue Jul 26 04:34:13 UTC 2011

I haven't been following this thread until now because we discussed this
seminar on the Blind Cooks mailing list as well, but we'd come to the
conclusion that the "No-Cook" theme was simply because people who cook a lot
don't generally enjoy having their ovens and ranges on indoors during the
summer when it's already hot as blazes. I know that I generally prefer
no-cook recipes in the summer for this reason, and I've seen local cooking
schools (general public) and cooking blogs I read start pushing the no-cook
thing as soon as the weather gets warm and the produce gets ripe. I just
assumed everyone saw this as quickly as the Cooks mailing list. I'm actually
rather surprised to see that this struck a nerve with some people, and I
find the differing opinions very interesting, but I really don't think there
were any such intentions.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Kirt Manwaring
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>wrote:

> Bridget,
>  Posts like this are what keeps me subscribed to this time-waster of
> a list.  I'm not even going to try and throw in my two cents here,
> because you've covered it to the point where I'd just make myself look
> silly.  Very, very well said.
>
> On 7/25/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > HI Brigit and all,
> > I agree there. I don't think there was any bad intent, but rather there
> were
> > basic tips such as washing produce and cleaning counters to ensure people
> > actually did that. Shows for the general audience start out this way too,
> as
> > you said. Hadley has other seminars in which they share recipies and tips
> > for actual cooking like in the crock pot. Some people said maybe Hadley
> > believes blind people can't cook, and after looking at their seminar list
> on
> > cooking I do not think that is the case at all.
> >
> > Now as for the seminar itself I listened to most of it. I felt they
> couldn't
> > cover much in an hour. They had a Q and A part and then brefily described
> > some no cook recipies. My favorite was the desserts where they explained
> how
> > easy making a smoothy was! I was not aware that you just needed to chop
> up
> > fruit, freeze them, and blend them later.
> > They will put out a resource list with the recipies they referenced. Oh,
> I
> > also learned the health benefits of some spices.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bridgit Pollpeter
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:26 PM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nabs-l] On No Cook Cooking
> >
> > This Hadley seminar may not be for everyone-- nothing ever is.
> > Personally, I'm more apt to watch the Food Network or search for recipes
> > online, but just because I don't choose to take a seminar like this does
> > not mean it is wrong, or that Hadley has wrong intentions in offering
> > it.
> >
> > To be honest, most cooking shows will provide basic advice like starting
> > with a clean service or using clean utensils or washing produce, and
> > these shows are not blind specific-- they are geared towards the entire
> > viewing audience.
> >
> > So it seems unfair to make the assertion that Hadley begins the seminar
> > by reminding to wash your cook station because they assume blind people
> > don't know this.  I would think everyone- blind and sighted- would be
> > aware of this, but obviously this is not the case since I find this
> > advice elsewhere including cookbooks and Food Network programs.
> >
> > Trust me, I know how easy it is to paint a person or group or idea as
> > bad, but it's a little unfair.  Short of Hadley point-blank making
> > statements like blind people are dirty or can't handle sharp objects or
> > are too vulnerable in the kitchen, etc., we shouldn't assume the intent
> > behind seminars like this is because they believe blind people less
> > capable.
> >
> > And if someone wishes to take a class like this, it does not mean they
> > are not capable or not independent.  We all seek different resources and
> > tools to achieve success in any endeavor.  As I said in an earlier post,
> > if we are being as independent as we can be and reaching for our full
> > potential, what does it matter how we got there?
> >
> > When we automatically assume everyone and everything else has misguided
> > or bad motives, we risk reverse prejudice.  We are certainly allowed
> > opinions, and we can disagree, but neither should we make erroneous
> > judgments or allow our thinking to be clouded by one view point.  If
> > I've learned anything since losing my vision eight years ago, it is
> > this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at
> > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:00:34 -0700
> > From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking
> > Message-ID: <20110725010032.GQ2840 at yumi.bluecherry.net>
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> >
> > I?ve found it and started listening?so far I?m seven and a half
> > minutes in and so far they?ve talked about the importance of washing
> > your fruits and veggies, keeping cookware and counter tops clean,
> > etc.  I suppose there are people who don?t know that, but it?s not
> > terribly inspiring so far.
> >
> > Joseph - KF7QZC
> >
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:34:02 -0700
> > From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at earthlink.net>
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, National Association of Blind Students
> > mailing
> > list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] on no-cook cooking
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> >
> >
> >
> > Evening, Joseph,
> >
> > Don't you know Joseph the way blind folks get off on cooking, in
> > filth? How dare they tell us to clean our counters! Carkeeping cookware
> > and counter tops clean,
> > etc.  I suppose there are people who don???t know
> > that, but it???s not terribly inspiring so far.
> >
> >
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